Fast & Furious isn't going away

[oreo]

why do you persist this this crazy idea of obama coming after your guns when there is NO evidence of this?

Sales of guns and ammunition sky-rocketed in this country after Obama was elected. In fact one couldn't even get ammunition. That's how afraid everyone was that he was going to implement some type of serious gun control--so everyone ran out and bought a gun. Never BEFORE--has a President enacted so much fear into gun ownership in this country.

NOW--there's something that just doesn't make sense to me in this Fast and Furious program.

WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO DELIVER SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO DRUG LORDS IN MEXICO? Answer--NO ONE IS.

Therefore--while Obama and Hillary were out there accusing Americans of delivering guns to Mexican drug cartels--it was an agency under them called the ATF that was doing it--and for WHAT REASON would they do something that is beyond any rational thought of comprehension?

Possibly to build a case--that semi automatic weapons should no longer be sold in the US because they're killing too many in Mexico.

And if you think about it--THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE IN ALL OF THIS.

 

[NGSamson]

why do you persist this this crazy idea of obama coming after your guns when there is NO evidence of this?

Sales of guns and ammunition sky-rocketed in this country after Obama was elected. In fact one couldn't even get ammunition. That's how afraid everyone was that he was going to implement some type of serious gun control--so everyone ran out and bought a gun. Never BEFORE--has a President enacted so much fear into gun ownership in this country.

NOW--there's something that just doesn't make sense to me in this Fast and Furious program.

WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO DELIVER SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO DRUG LORDS IN MEXICO? Answer--NO ONE IS.

Therefore--while Obama and Hillary were out there accusing Americans of delivering guns to Mexican drug cartels--it was an agency under them called the ATF that was doing it--and for WHAT REASON would they do something that is beyond any rational thought of comprehension?

Possibly to build a case--that semi automatic weapons should no longer be sold in the US because they're killing too many in Mexico.

And if you think about it--THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE IN ALL OF THIS.

Some believe that the scandal does not end with guns going to Mexico.

 

[JoeB131]

Hooboy...using that very same logic..no one was responsible for that officer's death except the dirtbag that shot him.

You're really out of your league here.

And the President had nothing to do with this "program". And it's a program no different then the ones I've put up for you. Yet this is the only one you find fault with..

Wonder why?

Uh, no, not the same at all, really.

The dirtbag who steals the car was looking to steal a car that day. He just took the one that was easiest to steal. Then he ran instead of pulling over, and hit that nice lady.

Obama provided weapons to the Cartels. Their goal was to PROVE that weapons from the US were finding their way into Mexico, by dumping weapons into the place.

The threw gasoline onto a fire, and now it's burned them.

Not to worry, though. Obama will be voted out of office long before he's impeached for it. So he has that. Then he can pardon Holder and everyone else involved on his last day in office.

 

[BoycottTheday]

If they cant stop Iran from making a Nuke how are they going to stop me from manufacturing my own weapons?

For those who dont know history:

Carbine Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It isnt rocket science ya know, anyone who thinks you can ban weapons is delusional.

Maybe thats why the UN and liberals are so gungho about it.

LIAMD

 

[geauxtohell]

why do you persist this this crazy idea of obama coming after your guns when there is NO evidence of this?

Sales of guns and ammunition sky-rocketed in this country after Obama was elected. In fact one couldn't even get ammunition. That's how afraid everyone was that he was going to implement some type of serious gun control--so everyone ran out and bought a gun. Never BEFORE--has a President enacted so much fear into gun ownership in this country.

NOW--there's something that just doesn't make sense to me in this Fast and Furious program.

WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO DELIVER SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO DRUG LORDS IN MEXICO? Answer--NO ONE IS.

Therefore--while Obama and Hillary were out there accusing Americans of delivering guns to Mexican drug cartels--it was an agency under them called the ATF that was doing it--and for WHAT REASON would they do something that is beyond any rational thought of comprehension?

Possibly to build a case--that semi automatic weapons should no longer be sold in the US because they're killing too many in Mexico.

And if you think about it--THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE IN ALL OF THIS.

So in other words, paranoia (past and present) and a conspiracy theory?

 

[koshergrl]

Sibel Edmonds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

remember trashing Sibel Edmonds?

I've never seen anyone so committed to using someone's death to further a completely unrelated viewpoint.

Congrats, you're scum.

 

[oreo]

why do you persist this this crazy idea of obama coming after your guns when there is NO evidence of this?

Sales of guns and ammunition sky-rocketed in this country after Obama was elected. In fact one couldn't even get ammunition. That's how afraid everyone was that he was going to implement some type of serious gun control--so everyone ran out and bought a gun. Never BEFORE--has a President enacted so much fear into gun ownership in this country.

NOW--there's something that just doesn't make sense to me in this Fast and Furious program.

WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO DELIVER SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO DRUG LORDS IN MEXICO? Answer--NO ONE IS.

Therefore--while Obama and Hillary were out there accusing Americans of delivering guns to Mexican drug cartels--it was an agency under them called the ATF that was doing it--and for WHAT REASON would they do something that is beyond any rational thought of comprehension?

Possibly to build a case--that semi automatic weapons should no longer be sold in the US because they're killing too many in Mexico.

And if you think about it--THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE IN ALL OF THIS.

So in other words, paranoia (past and present) and a conspiracy theory?

JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION: Why would the ATF under this administration set up straw buyers to buy semi-automatic weapons so they could deliver them to VIOLENT MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS? Why haven't the straw buyers been ARRESTED?--Why were the 3 ATF agents promoted--instead of getting fired?

Can you answer that? Here we have Eric Holder--threatening to prosecute CIA agents because they got a terrorist's head wet--and he allowed one his agencies--the ATF to deliver semi-automatic weapons to violent Mexican drug cartels.

 

[Full-Auto]

Sales of guns and ammunition sky-rocketed in this country after Obama was elected. In fact one couldn't even get ammunition. That's how afraid everyone was that he was going to implement some type of serious gun control--so everyone ran out and bought a gun. Never BEFORE--has a President enacted so much fear into gun ownership in this country.

NOW--there's something that just doesn't make sense to me in this Fast and Furious program.

WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO DELIVER SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO DRUG LORDS IN MEXICO? Answer--NO ONE IS.

Therefore--while Obama and Hillary were out there accusing Americans of delivering guns to Mexican drug cartels--it was an agency under them called the ATF that was doing it--and for WHAT REASON would they do something that is beyond any rational thought of comprehension?

Possibly to build a case--that semi automatic weapons should no longer be sold in the US because they're killing too many in Mexico.

And if you think about it--THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE IN ALL OF THIS.

So in other words, paranoia (past and present) and a conspiracy theory?

JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION: Why would the ATF under this administration set up straw buyers to buy semi-automatic weapons so they could deliver them to VIOLENT MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS?

Can you answer that? Here we have Eric Holder--threatening to prosecute CIA agents because they got a terrorist's head wet--and he allowed one his agencies--the ATF to deliver semi-automatic weapons to violent Mexican drug cartels.

He also allowed the FBI to issue sales to proceed checks for known felons.

 

[westwall]

why do you persist this this crazy idea of obama coming after your guns when there is NO evidence of this?

Sales of guns and ammunition sky-rocketed in this country after Obama was elected. In fact one couldn't even get ammunition. That's how afraid everyone was that he was going to implement some type of serious gun control--so everyone ran out and bought a gun. Never BEFORE--has a President enacted so much fear into gun ownership in this country.

NOW--there's something that just doesn't make sense to me in this Fast and Furious program.

WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO DELIVER SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO DRUG LORDS IN MEXICO? Answer--NO ONE IS.

Therefore--while Obama and Hillary were out there accusing Americans of delivering guns to Mexican drug cartels--it was an agency under them called the ATF that was doing it--and for WHAT REASON would they do something that is beyond any rational thought of comprehension?

Possibly to build a case--that semi automatic weapons should no longer be sold in the US because they're killing too many in Mexico.

And if you think about it--THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE IN ALL OF THIS.

So in other words, paranoia (past and present) and a conspiracy theory?

Please feel free to point out anywhere in the F&F program where chain of evidence was even attempted. No case could have been filed in any court in this land because there was ZERO ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN A CHAIN OF EVIDENCE (look the term up, it is an ESSENTIAL part of any case brought to trial), so if there was no attempt to maintain a chain of evidence what was the reason for allowing weapons into the hands of known felons?


I'm waiting.

 

[Sallow]

Hooboy...using that very same logic..no one was responsible for that officer's death except the dirtbag that shot him.

You're really out of your league here.

And the President had nothing to do with this "program". And it's a program no different then the ones I've put up for you. Yet this is the only one you find fault with..

Wonder why?

Uh, no, not the same at all, really.

The dirtbag who steals the car was looking to steal a car that day. He just took the one that was easiest to steal. Then he ran instead of pulling over, and hit that nice lady.

Obama provided weapons to the Cartels. Their goal was to PROVE that weapons from the US were finding their way into Mexico, by dumping weapons into the place.

The threw gasoline onto a fire, and now it's burned them.

Not to worry, though. Obama will be voted out of office long before he's impeached for it. So he has that. Then he can pardon Holder and everyone else involved on his last day in office.

Lunacy.

Again..you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

The BATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department’s broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence associated with these activities on both sides of the border.[2]

Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ernie S.]

Hooboy...using that very same logic..no one was responsible for that officer's death except the dirtbag that shot him.

You're really out of your league here.

And the President had nothing to do with this "program". And it's a program no different then the ones I've put up for you. Yet this is the only one you find fault with..

Wonder why?

Uh, no, not the same at all, really.

The dirtbag who steals the car was looking to steal a car that day. He just took the one that was easiest to steal. Then he ran instead of pulling over, and hit that nice lady.

Obama provided weapons to the Cartels. Their goal was to PROVE that weapons from the US were finding their way into Mexico, by dumping weapons into the place.

The threw gasoline onto a fire, and now it's burned them.

Not to worry, though. Obama will be voted out of office long before he's impeached for it. So he has that. Then he can pardon Holder and everyone else involved on his last day in office.

Lunacy.

Again..you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

The BATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department’s broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence associated with these activities on both sides of the border.[2]

Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you even read the article you linked? You're getting to be like TDNM, cherry picking information but ignoring parts that contradict your position.

ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered "tools of the trade".[18] However, since September 2009 under Project Gunrunner, operation "Fast and Furious", did the opposite by ATF permitting, encouraging and facilitating 'straw purchase' firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to 'walk' and be transported to Mexico. This has resulted in the death of US border agent Brian Terry and considerable controversy.[19][20][21]

 

[oreo]

Sales of guns and ammunition sky-rocketed in this country after Obama was elected. In fact one couldn't even get ammunition. That's how afraid everyone was that he was going to implement some type of serious gun control--so everyone ran out and bought a gun. Never BEFORE--has a President enacted so much fear into gun ownership in this country.

NOW--there's something that just doesn't make sense to me in this Fast and Furious program.

WHO IS STUPID ENOUGH TO DELIVER SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS TO DRUG LORDS IN MEXICO? Answer--NO ONE IS.

Therefore--while Obama and Hillary were out there accusing Americans of delivering guns to Mexican drug cartels--it was an agency under them called the ATF that was doing it--and for WHAT REASON would they do something that is beyond any rational thought of comprehension?

Possibly to build a case--that semi automatic weapons should no longer be sold in the US because they're killing too many in Mexico.

And if you think about it--THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANY SENSE IN ALL OF THIS.

So in other words, paranoia (past and present) and a conspiracy theory?

Please feel free to point out anywhere in the F&F program where chain of evidence was even attempted. No case could have been filed in any court in this land because there was ZERO ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN A CHAIN OF EVIDENCE (look the term up, it is an ESSENTIAL part of any case brought to trial), so if there was no attempt to maintain a chain of evidence what was the reason for allowing weapons into the hands of known felons?


I'm waiting.

You must be watching the Obama media networks. Fox News sent out a herd of reporters to these straw buyers HOMES--they know exactly what their names are and they know where they live. They knock on the door--and the perpetrator refuses to answer any questions.

They haven't been arrested--they are on record for buying thousands of weapons--and the gun shop owners have outed them--and have also stated that the ATF set this up.

As far as EVIDENCE? We have the gun that killed a US federal agent--that was born out of this F & F program.---

 

[Sallow]

Uh, no, not the same at all, really.

The dirtbag who steals the car was looking to steal a car that day. He just took the one that was easiest to steal. Then he ran instead of pulling over, and hit that nice lady.

Obama provided weapons to the Cartels. Their goal was to PROVE that weapons from the US were finding their way into Mexico, by dumping weapons into the place.

The threw gasoline onto a fire, and now it's burned them.

Not to worry, though. Obama will be voted out of office long before he's impeached for it. So he has that. Then he can pardon Holder and everyone else involved on his last day in office.

Lunacy.

Again..you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Did you even read the article you linked? You're getting to be like TDNM, cherry picking information but ignoring parts that contradict your position.

ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered "tools of the trade".[18] However, since September 2009 under Project Gunrunner, operation "Fast and Furious", did the opposite by ATF permitting, encouraging and facilitating 'straw purchase' firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to 'walk' and be transported to Mexico. This has resulted in the death of US border agent Brian Terry and considerable controversy.[19][20][21]

Yeah..I do.

This is part and parcel with the extraordinary tactics used by law enforcement for a VERY LONG TIME.

I listed them.

And for some STRANGE reason..this is the one that you guys are focusing on.

Bait cars, undercovers, lying to suspects, no knock warrants, and a plethora of other "tools of the trade" cause unwarranted tragedy. Heck..you guys defended this stuff tooth and nails in the past.

Wonder what's changed?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Is what they did even Constitutional? I'm surprised so few are asking this question. How many innocent men,women,and children were murdered with these weapons. We know an American Border Agent was murdered with these weapons. Heads need to roll on this one. Holder and his gang need to be held accountable. Their cover-up has only added to this awful tragedy. Time to get to the bottom of this one.

 

[Ernie S.]

Lunacy.

Again..you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Did you even read the article you linked? You're getting to be like TDNM, cherry picking information but ignoring parts that contradict your position.

ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered "tools of the trade".[18] However, since September 2009 under Project Gunrunner, operation "Fast and Furious", did the opposite by ATF permitting, encouraging and facilitating 'straw purchase' firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to 'walk' and be transported to Mexico. This has resulted in the death of US border agent Brian Terry and considerable controversy.[19][20][21]

Yeah..I do.

This is part and parcel with the extraordinary tactics used by law enforcement for a VERY LONG TIME.

I listed them.

And for some STRANGE reason..this is the one that you guys are focusing on.

Bait cars, undercovers, lying to suspects, no knock warrants, and a plethora of other "tools of the trade" cause unwarranted tragedy. Heck..you guys defended this stuff tooth and nails in the past.

Wonder what's changed?

Lying to suspects is an unwarranted tragedy? Oh come now, Sallow! You're a better man than that. Comparing legal police tactics to facilitating gun running that has gotten hundreds of people killed? Please spend some time in search of your missing mind. I know you used to possess one.

 

[westwall]

So in other words, paranoia (past and present) and a conspiracy theory?

Please feel free to point out anywhere in the F&F program where chain of evidence was even attempted. No case could have been filed in any court in this land because there was ZERO ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN A CHAIN OF EVIDENCE (look the term up, it is an ESSENTIAL part of any case brought to trial), so if there was no attempt to maintain a chain of evidence what was the reason for allowing weapons into the hands of known felons?


I'm waiting.

You must be watching the Obama media networks. Fox News sent out a herd of reporters to these straw buyers HOMES--they know exactly what their names are and they know where they live. They knock on the door--and the perpetrator refuses to answer any questions.

They haven't been arrested--they are on record for buying thousands of weapons--and the gun shop owners have outed them--and have also stated that the ATF set this up.

As far as EVIDENCE? We have the gun that killed a US federal agent--that was born out of this F & F program.---

You aren't much on comprehension are you Oreo? I have been pointing out to the Obamaites that the FEDS had no chain of evidence following the guns from when they left the gunshop (a neccessary part of any criminal investigation) to where they were recovered. Instead they released them to the gangs and waited for them to show up at various crime scenes. Do you understand yet? I am ON YOUR SIDE MORON!

 

[westwall]

Lunacy.

Again..you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Did you even read the article you linked? You're getting to be like TDNM, cherry picking information but ignoring parts that contradict your position.

ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered "tools of the trade".[18] However, since September 2009 under Project Gunrunner, operation "Fast and Furious", did the opposite by ATF permitting, encouraging and facilitating 'straw purchase' firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to 'walk' and be transported to Mexico. This has resulted in the death of US border agent Brian Terry and considerable controversy.[19][20][21]

Yeah..I do.

This is part and parcel with the extraordinary tactics used by law enforcement for a VERY LONG TIME.

I listed them.

And for some STRANGE reason..this is the one that you guys are focusing on.

Bait cars, undercovers, lying to suspects, no knock warrants, and a plethora of other "tools of the trade" cause unwarranted tragedy. Heck..you guys defended this stuff tooth and nails in the past.

Wonder what's changed?

Show me a chain of evidence Sallow. Show me any attempt at all to build a case. All I see is a wilful flooding of weapons into the hands of drug lords.

 

[Sallow]

Did you even read the article you linked? You're getting to be like TDNM, cherry picking information but ignoring parts that contradict your position.

Yeah..I do.

This is part and parcel with the extraordinary tactics used by law enforcement for a VERY LONG TIME.

I listed them.

And for some STRANGE reason..this is the one that you guys are focusing on.

Bait cars, undercovers, lying to suspects, no knock warrants, and a plethora of other "tools of the trade" cause unwarranted tragedy. Heck..you guys defended this stuff tooth and nails in the past.

Wonder what's changed?

Lying to suspects is an unwarranted tragedy? Oh come now, Sallow! You're a better man than that. Comparing legal police tactics to facilitating gun running that has gotten hundreds of people killed? Please spend some time in search of your missing mind. I know you used to possess one.

Central Park Jogger case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although the suspects (except Salaam) had confessed on videotape in the presence of a parent or guardian, they retracted their statements within weeks, claiming that they had been intimidated, lied to, and coerced into making false confessions.[9] The detectives had indeed used ruses to convince the suspects to confess, with Salaam confessing to having been present only after he was told that fingerprints were found on the victim's clothing.[10] While the confessions themselves were videotaped, the hours of interrogation that preceded the confessions were not.

No DNA evidence tied the suspects to the crime, so the prosecution's case rested almost entirely on the confessions.[1] In fact, analysis indicated that the DNA collected at the crime scene did not match any of the suspects — and that the crime scene DNA had all come from a single, as yet unknown person.[9]

Hundreds of people killed?

Most of these police tactics have gotten hundreds of people killed. And this is the one you are focusing on..

 

[LibocalypseNow]

If a Republican was in there right now,i'm positive the CNN,NBC,and NY Times nutters would be screeching for immediate Impeachment. This cover-up only makes this a much bigger tragedy. Heads need to roll on this one. In my opinion there is far too much blood on Holder's hands for him to continue on as Attorney General. Time for him to get the boot.

 

[Ernie S.]

If a Republican was in there right now,i'm positive the CNN,NBC,and NY Times nutters would be screeching for immediate Impeachment. This cover-up only makes this a much bigger tragedy. Heads need to roll on this one. In my opinion there is far too much blood on Holder's hands for him to continue on as Attorney General. Time for him to get the boot.

You can bet that if holder goes, he will get an instant pardon so the obama connection can't be shown at trial.
Can the Attorney General be impeached?