Federal Employee Union Sues Government Over Shutdown, Alleging Wage Violations

[Redfish]

They aren't being denied that right. In fact, they're getting a paid vacation.

What about the 400,000 who are being forced to work without pay?

who exactly are these 400,000 civil servants? Who is forcing them to work without pay? Are they non-essential? Everyone except non essential employees is being paid, non -essentials have been temporarily furloughed and will be paid for the time off once the dems come back to DC and make a deal.

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

Read the OP dumbfuck.

LOL, from Huffpuff post ??????????????????

 

[BS Filter]

Why don't democrats pay for the wall? Tell democrats to stop using workers as hostages.

It wasn’t the Democrats who offered a wall and said.....don’t worry, Mexico will pay for it

Looks like Republicans are demanding Federal Workers pay for it

That's just plain idiocy. Taxpayers are more than willing to pay for the wall. You know that. Chuck and Nancy can end this today.

They were given their chance with the gofundme page...it seems to be dying a slow death. At the current rate they will have their 5 billion by the year 2030

That is outside of the government. We're talking about government funding here. Trump is in the White House and ready to work out a deal. Chuck and Nancy are off on vacation. Nice.

Congress has not yet convened..Duh...

Neither have your brain cells. Idiot.

 

[Moonglow]

It wasn’t the Democrats who offered a wall and said.....don’t worry, Mexico will pay for it

Looks like Republicans are demanding Federal Workers pay for it

That's just plain idiocy. Taxpayers are more than willing to pay for the wall. You know that. Chuck and Nancy can end this today.

They were given their chance with the gofundme page...it seems to be dying a slow death. At the current rate they will have their 5 billion by the year 2030

That is outside of the government. We're talking about government funding here. Trump is in the White House and ready to work out a deal. Chuck and Nancy are off on vacation. Nice.

Congress has not yet convened..Duh...

They don't pass anything worth a shit anymore anyway...........tell them to stay home................

I know all they want is tax cuts for the rich and greedy..

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What about the 400,000 who are being forced to work without pay?

who exactly are these 400,000 civil servants? Who is forcing them to work without pay? Are they non-essential? Everyone except non essential employees is being paid, non -essentials have been temporarily furloughed and will be paid for the time off once the dems come back to DC and make a deal.

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

Yes we are paid after the funding is passed.

However the people that don’t work usually get paid too and basically get a free vacation without taking leave.

Which is one of the reasons a shutdown is so fucking stupid. It just waste more money...

 

[Moonglow]

It wasn’t the Democrats who offered a wall and said.....don’t worry, Mexico will pay for it

Looks like Republicans are demanding Federal Workers pay for it

That's just plain idiocy. Taxpayers are more than willing to pay for the wall. You know that. Chuck and Nancy can end this today.

They were given their chance with the gofundme page...it seems to be dying a slow death. At the current rate they will have their 5 billion by the year 2030

That is outside of the government. We're talking about government funding here. Trump is in the White House and ready to work out a deal. Chuck and Nancy are off on vacation. Nice.

Congress has not yet convened..Duh...

Neither have your brain cells. Idiot.

Then you have competition at long last.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What about the 400,000 who are being forced to work without pay?

who exactly are these 400,000 civil servants? Who is forcing them to work without pay? Are they non-essential? Everyone except non essential employees is being paid, non -essentials have been temporarily furloughed and will be paid for the time off once the dems come back to DC and make a deal.

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

Read the OP dumbfuck.

LOL, from Huffpuff post ??????????????????

One more time...

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

 

[theHawk]

who exactly are these 400,000 civil servants? Who is forcing them to work without pay? Are they non-essential? Everyone except non essential employees is being paid, non -essentials have been temporarily furloughed and will be paid for the time off once the dems come back to DC and make a deal.

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

Yes we are paid after the funding is passed.

However the people that don’t work usually get paid too and basically get a free vacation without taking leave.

Which is one of the reasons a shutdown is so fucking stupid. It just waste more money...

All Dems have to do is throw the GOP $5B and it’s over, but Dems aren’t very smart.

 

[BS Filter]

That's just plain idiocy. Taxpayers are more than willing to pay for the wall. You know that. Chuck and Nancy can end this today.

They were given their chance with the gofundme page...it seems to be dying a slow death. At the current rate they will have their 5 billion by the year 2030

That is outside of the government. We're talking about government funding here. Trump is in the White House and ready to work out a deal. Chuck and Nancy are off on vacation. Nice.

Congress has not yet convened..Duh...

Neither have your brain cells. Idiot.

Then you have competition at long last.

You're about the dumbest ass on this forum.

 

[eagle1462010]

who exactly are these 400,000 civil servants? Who is forcing them to work without pay? Are they non-essential? Everyone except non essential employees is being paid, non -essentials have been temporarily furloughed and will be paid for the time off once the dems come back to DC and make a deal.

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

Yes we are paid after the funding is passed.

However the people that don’t work usually get paid too and basically get a free vacation without taking leave.

Which is one of the reasons a shutdown is so fucking stupid. It just waste more money...

Then the establishment can PONY THE FUCK UP..............

They spend money on BS every year............this is money the CBP has been asking for a long time......And these Career politicians CHAMPIONED for votes in 2006. pay up.............or it stays shut down.

 

[Redfish]

who exactly are these 400,000 civil servants? Who is forcing them to work without pay? Are they non-essential? Everyone except non essential employees is being paid, non -essentials have been temporarily furloughed and will be paid for the time off once the dems come back to DC and make a deal.

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

Read the OP dumbfuck.

LOL, from Huffpuff post ??????????????????

One more time...

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

even if true, so what? when you get a civil service job its a risk you take. Tough shit.

 

[BS Filter]

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

Yes we are paid after the funding is passed.

However the people that don’t work usually get paid too and basically get a free vacation without taking leave.

Which is one of the reasons a shutdown is so fucking stupid. It just waste more money...

All Dems have to do is throw the GOP $5B and it’s over, but Dems aren’t very smart.

It's personal. The democrats have made a decision to make this an issue to fight for. They know the wall is a big issue that Trump ran on and people voted for him for that reason. If the Dems cave and Trump gets the wall, it's a strategic loss for the democrat party.

 

[Redfish]

who exactly are these 400,000 civil servants? Who is forcing them to work without pay? Are they non-essential? Everyone except non essential employees is being paid, non -essentials have been temporarily furloughed and will be paid for the time off once the dems come back to DC and make a deal.

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

Yes we are paid after the funding is passed.

However the people that don’t work usually get paid too and basically get a free vacation without taking leave.

Which is one of the reasons a shutdown is so fucking stupid. It just waste more money...

tell that to Schumer and Pelosi, under obozo they voted to fund the wall, that money was appropriated, where the fuck is it?

now they oppose the wall because they want a talking point for 2020 that Trump did not keep his wall promise. That my ignorant little friend is all this is about.

 

[eagle1462010]

That's just plain idiocy. Taxpayers are more than willing to pay for the wall. You know that. Chuck and Nancy can end this today.

They were given their chance with the gofundme page...it seems to be dying a slow death. At the current rate they will have their 5 billion by the year 2030

That is outside of the government. We're talking about government funding here. Trump is in the White House and ready to work out a deal. Chuck and Nancy are off on vacation. Nice.

Congress has not yet convened..Duh...

They don't pass anything worth a shit anymore anyway...........tell them to stay home................

I know all they want is tax cuts for the rich and greedy..

The establishment whores pass laws for their buddies.............so they can be enriched by their buddies..........and their buddies have told them you stop our cheap labor source we stop paying you...........

Why both sides are against this..................CBP has backed up the need to Congress..........the rest is just a show.......It's what those pecker woods do............

 

[theHawk]

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

Yes we are paid after the funding is passed.

However the people that don’t work usually get paid too and basically get a free vacation without taking leave.

Which is one of the reasons a shutdown is so fucking stupid. It just waste more money...

Then the establishment can PONY THE FUCK UP..............

They spend money on BS every year............this is money the CBP has been asking for a long time......And these Career politicians CHAMPIONED for votes in 2006. pay up.............or it stays shut down.

Yup, they spend $100B on “emergency fund”, but can’t give 5B for the wall.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

Read the OP dumbfuck.

LOL, from Huffpuff post ??????????????????

One more time...

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

even if true, so what? when you get a civil service job its a risk you take. Tough shit.

Wow,. you almost showed some integrity and admitted you were wrong...but you just did not have it in you

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This is not correct, all of the "essential" people at the agencies with no funding are not being paid, even though they are working.

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

Yes we are paid after the funding is passed.

However the people that don’t work usually get paid too and basically get a free vacation without taking leave.

Which is one of the reasons a shutdown is so fucking stupid. It just waste more money...

tell that to Schumer and Pelosi, under obozo they voted to fund the wall, that money was appropriated, where the fuck is it?

now they oppose the wall because they want a talking point for 2020 that Trump did not keep his wall promise. That my ignorant little friend is all this is about.

you mean this is all about politics? no fucking way.

 

[Redfish]

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

Read the OP dumbfuck.

LOL, from Huffpuff post ??????????????????

One more time...

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

even if true, so what? when you get a civil service job its a risk you take. Tough shit.

Wow,. you almost showed some integrity and admitted you were wrong...but you just did not have it in you

I said "even if true". no admission of anything except that Huff puff lies daily.

 

[Redfish]

I don't think that's correct, got a cite?

1. Will excepted employees be paid for performing work during a shutdown furlough? If so, when will excepted employees receive such payments?

A. Agencies will incur obligations to pay for services performed by excepted employees during a lapse in appropriations, and those employees will be paid after Congress passes and the President signs a new appropriation or continuing resolution.


https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

Yes we are paid after the funding is passed.

However the people that don’t work usually get paid too and basically get a free vacation without taking leave.

Which is one of the reasons a shutdown is so fucking stupid. It just waste more money...

tell that to Schumer and Pelosi, under obozo they voted to fund the wall, that money was appropriated, where the fuck is it?

now they oppose the wall because they want a talking point for 2020 that Trump did not keep his wall promise. That my ignorant little friend is all this is about.

you mean this is all about politics? no fucking way.

for the dems it is, for Trump its about securing our southern border and controlling illegal entry to our country.

 

[Redfish]

I want to see the names of the congresspersons who used our money to pay off their victims of sexual assault.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The union said employees can’t be forced to work without pay.

A union representing federal workers sued the government Monday over the partial shutdown, saying it was illegal to have hundreds of thousands of employees work without pay during the funding lapse.

The American Federation of Government Employees filed the lawsuit on the shutdown’s 10th day, with no signs of an imminent resolution between Congress and the White House. The union said withholding the pay of workers who continue to clock in during the shutdown runs afoul of the Fair Labor Standards Act, the Great Depression-era law establishing a minimum wage and overtime pay.

“This is not an acceptable way for any employer, let alone the U.S. government, to treat its employees,” Heidi Burakiewicz, a lawyer representing the workers, said in a statement. “These employees still need to pay childcare expenses, buy gas, and incur other expenses to go to work every day and yet, they are not getting paid. It is a blatant violation.”

Some 380,000 federal employees have been furloughed during the shutdown, meaning they are out of a job until lawmakers reach a funding agreement. But another 420,000 are continuing to work in “essential” capacities such as in law enforcement, but are not being paid.

After previous shutdowns, Congress has passed legislation to retroactively pay furloughed employees and those who worked through the closures. But in the meantime, all those workers have bills to pay. Those who don’t have deep enough savings will face some hard choices if the shutdown continues to grind on.

AFGE previously sued the government under the same claims after the 2013 shutdown, which lasted 16 days. A judge later ruled that around 25,000 workers were owed double pay due to damages.

More: Federal Employee Union Sues Government Over Shutdown, Alleging Wage Violations

Sounds reasonable to me. What do you think?

I think the federal courts need to be honest and declare unionization of federal workers a conflict of interest, hence illegal on it's face. Dissolve the corrupt federal union.