Felon caught with illegal guns....our current gun control actually works...

[2aguy]

Registering guns would not have stopped this guy.

Licensing gun owners would not have stopped this guy.

Universal Background checks would not have stopped this guy.

What works...we have made it illegal for felons to own, carry or transport guns........this works...this guy can now be arrested and prosecuted.

And the magic of the law against felons owning and carrying guns......not one normal, law abiding gun owner has to be hassled and they don't have to be arrested for a clerical error......

Current gun laws do everything we need to stop criminals with guns....

What's This? Convicted Felon Found With Guns, Drugs and Cash?! Nooo!

According to officials, a police officer was at the corner of Main Street and Park Street, just before 8:30 p.m., when a car crash happened just within sight. Two men got out of their Honda Accord involved in the crash and started running away, police said. The officer saw them and began chasing the driver on foot.


More Hartford police officers responded and after a brief struggle, police say they took the driver into custody near South Green Park. While investigating the crash scene, police found a gun on the back seat and several more in an open backpack in the car.

Investigators recovered eight guns and ammunition, along with more than 60 grams of crack cocaine, nearly 30 grams of marijuana, 100 bags of heroin stamped “Fatboy” and more than $3,800. According to police, the car had also been reported stolen.

 

[2aguy]

And now....they simply use current police interrogation techniques and they can find out who sold him those guns...and then arrest that guy too......

again....current gun laws are all we need....licensing gun owners, registering guns and universal background checks...pointless and stupid...and only meant to increase the number of crimes that can entrap normal, law abiding gun owners who will not use their guns in actual crimes.

 

[Fenton Lum]

"---Reason for guns...criminals, the dangerously mentally ill, government inability to protect?, government murder"


I'm sorry, what did you post again? Didn't you just show otherwise?

 

[2aguy]

"---Reason for guns...criminals, the dangerously mentally ill, government inability to protect?, government murder"


I'm sorry, what did you post again? Didn't you just show otherwise?

No......please explain.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Successful apprehension?

 

[2aguy]

The government inability to protect goes from you coming home late at night and being attacked in the parking lot....when no cops are around.....all the way up to the Mexican Government....and others, that are so corrupt, that agents of their law enforcement agencies are allies with the drug cartels.....

So the governments inability to protect you is a valid reason to own and carry a gun....police are rarely at the scene of the crime when it is actually happening.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Has that happend to you often?

 

[2aguy]

Has that happend to you often?

No......friends have been robbed....and Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to actually stop violent criminal attack and save lives...according to bill clinton.....and those are just the crimes that are stopped by armed Americans......rape, robbery and murder happens every day in every state.....

And the victims....never knew that the day they became a victim...was the day.....

 

[Fenton Lum]

I think Bill Clinton is a liar. If you've got legit stats I'd like to peruse them for myself.

 

[2aguy]

I think Bill Clinton is a liar. If you've got legit stats I'd like to peruse them for myself.

It was actually a study ordered by clinton to refute the work done by Dr. Gary Kleck......the Department of Justice hired the anti gun researchers to create the study and execute it.....they came up with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses.....and in 2013, obama had the CDC evaluate all the gun research the government had.....they spent 10 million dollars doing it.....that is also below...

These studies were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense.

...the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......

notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Registering guns would not have stopped this guy.

Licensing gun owners would not have stopped this guy.

Universal Background checks would not have stopped this guy.

What works...we have made it illegal for felons to own, carry or transport guns........this works...this guy can now be arrested and prosecuted.

And the magic of the law against felons owning and carrying guns......not one normal, law abiding gun owner has to be hassled and they don't have to be arrested for a clerical error......

Current gun laws do everything we need to stop criminals with guns....

What's This? Convicted Felon Found With Guns, Drugs and Cash?! Nooo!

According to officials, a police officer was at the corner of Main Street and Park Street, just before 8:30 p.m., when a car crash happened just within sight. Two men got out of their Honda Accord involved in the crash and started running away, police said. The officer saw them and began chasing the driver on foot.


More Hartford police officers responded and after a brief struggle, police say they took the driver into custody near South Green Park. While investigating the crash scene, police found a gun on the back seat and several more in an open backpack in the car.

Investigators recovered eight guns and ammunition, along with more than 60 grams of crack cocaine, nearly 30 grams of marijuana, 100 bags of heroin stamped “Fatboy” and more than $3,800. According to police, the car had also been reported stolen.

This fails as a statistics of small numbers fallacy.

 

[2aguy]

Registering guns would not have stopped this guy.

Licensing gun owners would not have stopped this guy.

Universal Background checks would not have stopped this guy.

What works...we have made it illegal for felons to own, carry or transport guns........this works...this guy can now be arrested and prosecuted.

And the magic of the law against felons owning and carrying guns......not one normal, law abiding gun owner has to be hassled and they don't have to be arrested for a clerical error......

Current gun laws do everything we need to stop criminals with guns....

What's This? Convicted Felon Found With Guns, Drugs and Cash?! Nooo!

According to officials, a police officer was at the corner of Main Street and Park Street, just before 8:30 p.m., when a car crash happened just within sight. Two men got out of their Honda Accord involved in the crash and started running away, police said. The officer saw them and began chasing the driver on foot.


More Hartford police officers responded and after a brief struggle, police say they took the driver into custody near South Green Park. While investigating the crash scene, police found a gun on the back seat and several more in an open backpack in the car.

Investigators recovered eight guns and ammunition, along with more than 60 grams of crack cocaine, nearly 30 grams of marijuana, 100 bags of heroin stamped “Fatboy” and more than $3,800. According to police, the car had also been reported stolen.

This fails as a statistics of small numbers fallacy.

clayton:

"blah blah blah, dumb statement, blah blah blah......"