FEMA Deceives Nation About Twin Towers Core

[elvis]

Is that Douche BENEATH Yukon?...



peace...

Yes, even the Nazi defrocked child molester can't stupid as low as christophera.

 

[Fizz]

you got nothing.
you got nothing!!

The fact is I have the past, your history of manipulation and deceit, failure.

FIZZ SPAM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1860963-post3290.html


BERKLEY ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904734-post3480.html


TIME MAGAZINE ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904673-post3478.html


SPAM 4-POSTING UNKNOWN STRUCTURE CALLING IT WTC TWIN
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1897888-post3456.html

And also the true structure as well as can be documented with 9-11 images verifying absolutely, construction photos, ground zero and independent authorities, not of FEMA or government source, identifying a concrete core.

In summary, here it is.

Clearly, Robertson is verified by Oxford, verifying Domel verified by the image of WTC 2 core, verifying the top of WTC 2 core falling onto WTC 3, the WTC 1 rebar, just after the WTC 1 west core wall is seen in an end view, then, the WTC 1 east shear wall toppling, consistent with interior box columns silhouetted on WTC 1 north core wall, consistent with ground zero showing the WTC 1 north concrete core base wall, 12 foot thick, all supported as clarification of the many confused statements that do mention concrete in the core including the latest revised NIST contracted analysis of free fall by Bazant et. al 6/21/2007, which actually provides an equivalent amount of high explosives needed to create the rate of fall they are attempting to justify with physics. It doesn't work, but at least they won;t go down in history as totally supporting the deceptions.

you fucking moron... you really are a mental case.

when i show you pictures of the actual steel core you call it spam

when i show you universities and respected news organizations that say it was a steel core you call them "errors"

what do you have? a reporter that made an error and said it was a concrete core two days after 9/11. you LIE and say robertson said it. you have an article that uses the world trade center as an example of what a skyscraper is and then goes on to say skyscrapers have steel and concrete cores. you LIE and say the article says the world trade center has a concrete core. you have pictures of smoke and say it is concrete. you have pictures of falling debris taken from over a mile away and say it is 3 inch think rebar, which would be impossible to see from over a mile away.

YOU HAVE NO PICTURES OF A CONCRETE CORE. NOT ONE!!!!!

YOU HAVE NO BUILDING PLANS THAT SAY CONCRETE CORE.

YOU HAVE NO STATEMENTS FROM ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION THAT SAYS CONCRETE CORE.

YOU DONT HAVE A SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS A CONCRETE CORE.

all you have is delusions and excuses.

YOU HAVE NOTHING!!

 

[Christophera]

you got nothing.
you got nothing!!

The fact is I have the past, your history of manipulation and deceit, failure.

FIZZ SPAM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1860963-post3290.html


BERKLEY ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904734-post3480.html


TIME MAGAZINE ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904673-post3478.html


SPAM 4-POSTING UNKNOWN STRUCTURE CALLING IT WTC TWIN
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1897888-post3456.html

And also the true structure as well as can be documented with 9-11 images verifying absolutely, construction photos, ground zero and independent authorities, not of FEMA or government source, identifying a concrete core.

In summary, here it is.

Clearly, Robertson is verified by Oxford, verifying Domel verified by the image of WTC 2 core, verifying the top of WTC 2 core falling onto WTC 3, the WTC 1 rebar, just after the WTC 1 west core wall is seen in an end view, then, the WTC 1 east shear wall toppling, consistent with interior box columns silhouetted on WTC 1 north core wall, consistent with ground zero showing the WTC 1 north concrete core base wall, 12 foot thick, all supported as clarification of the many confused statements that do mention concrete in the core including the latest revised NIST contracted analysis of free fall by Bazant et. al 6/21/2007, which actually provides an equivalent amount of high explosives needed to create the rate of fall they are attempting to justify with physics. It doesn't work, but at least they won;t go down in history as totally supporting the deceptions.

when i show you pictures of the actual steel core you call it spam

It is noted you didn't repost your spam that has already been well exposed in the links above.

 

[DiveCon]

The fact is I have the past, your history of manipulation and deceit, failure.

FIZZ SPAM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1860963-post3290.html


BERKLEY ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904734-post3480.html


TIME MAGAZINE ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904673-post3478.html


SPAM 4-POSTING UNKNOWN STRUCTURE CALLING IT WTC TWIN
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1897888-post3456.html

And also the true structure as well as can be documented with 9-11 images verifying absolutely, construction photos, ground zero and independent authorities, not of FEMA or government source, identifying a concrete core.

In summary, here it is.

Clearly, Robertson is verified by Oxford, verifying Domel verified by the image of WTC 2 core, verifying the top of WTC 2 core falling onto WTC 3, the WTC 1 rebar, just after the WTC 1 west core wall is seen in an end view, then, the WTC 1 east shear wall toppling, consistent with interior box columns silhouetted on WTC 1 north core wall, consistent with ground zero showing the WTC 1 north concrete core base wall, 12 foot thick, all supported as clarification of the many confused statements that do mention concrete in the core including the latest revised NIST contracted analysis of free fall by Bazant et. al 6/21/2007, which actually provides an equivalent amount of high explosives needed to create the rate of fall they are attempting to justify with physics. It doesn't work, but at least they won;t go down in history as totally supporting the deceptions.

when i show you pictures of the actual steel core you call it spam

It is noted you didn't repost your spam that has already been well exposed in the links above.

ROFLMAO you are totally fucking delusional

 

[Fizz]

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"For a combination of historical, cultural and economic reasons, tall, concrete-core buildings dedicated to office use are unusual in New York, where builders prefer the wallboard-enclosed cores with steel frames that Mr. Robertson pioneered in the trade center."
New York Timeshere


"Engineers are still debating whether the Twin Towers' unique structure should be credited for surviving the initial crashes, or blamed for collapsing in the subsequent fires, or both. But the point is that it was unique, utilizing closely spaced columns connected to a steel core by relatively lightweight floor trusses. "
Newsweek. Newsweek.com


"Each of the towers, more than 200 ft. wide on each side, contained a central steel core surrounded by open office space. Eighteen-inch steel tubes ran vertically along the outside, providing much of the support for the building"
Time Magazine.TIME.com


"The twin towers were the first supertall buildings designed without any masonry. Worried that the intense air pressure created by the building's high speed elevators might buckle conventional shafts, engineers designed a solution using a drywall system fixed to the reinforced steel core. "
engineering.comENGINEERING.com


"Like many high-rises built in the 1960s, the Twin Towers were constructed with their weight distributed between a hollow steel core (containing services like elevators) and steel columns around the perimeter, maximizing open floor space. Many believe the older high-rise design, in which steel columns are often encased in concrete, is more fire resistant.

“A lot of people have told me, ‘You should have used more concrete in the structure,’” said Robertson. However, his chart plotting the strength of steel vs. concrete at various temperatures showed that at the incendiary levels that raged in the towers, the two materials become similarly weak."
Berkeley 04.17.2002 - World Trade Center remembered


"Yamasaki has switched from concrete, his favorite medium, to steel because of the sheer height of the towers, and instead of having the weight of the structure carried by the frame and the elevator core, the great steel columns of the exterior walls will support it."
Time Magazine article from 1964!! Art: Onward & Upward - TIME

 

[DiveCon]

come on fizz, you cant see the invisa-crete in those pics?

 

[Christophera]

The below images show no diagonal bracing or gusset plates at horizontal/vertical intersections. Ground zero has no wreakage of diagonal bracing. There are no details in the fake silverstein plans showing diagonal braces. Such braces are absolutely required. However, elevator openings and hallways prohibited them. The vertical steel in the core is elevator guide rail support steel as is identified here by the "butt plates" on the tops.

No good way to tell which tower this is. but the core looks very solid. I say WTC 2 south side because the 2 hallways in both directions would allow the light as we see whereas WTC 1 would not.

This image shows nothing of consequence either way.

By the above image we can see the below is another building altogether. HERE I show it, SPAM 4-POSTING UNKNOWN STRUCTURE CALLING IT WTC TWIN
http://www.usmessageboard.com/18978...//www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/

The below 2 images have no diagonals. Not "core columns" elevator guide rail support.

This below image, as the above, shows diagonals but they are part of the crane platform and exist just inside the interior box columns with the outer members on the same plane as where the concrete core walls are cast below. On the right is a moment frame in the same plane as the interior box columns that is heavily trussed. See the image at top and the crane platform diagonals are just visible inside the massive columns that did exist surrounding the concrete core.

Part of fizzrodd or stannrodd (images above from photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/), who has been stalking the concrete core information since 2004 with gumjob gamolon, is SPAM that has already been shown to be misrepresentations.

FIZZ SPAM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1860963-post3290.html


BERKLEY ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904734-post3480.html


TIME MAGAZINE ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904673-post3478.html

The video does not show steel core columns and does not have Robertson describing them.

This is the west wall of WTC 1 concrete core shear wall in an end view on the left and the right has an interior box column called the "spire". Far lef tis the core area and it is empty. Elevator guide rails support steel has no lateral strength so fell immediately.

 

[Fizz]

The below images show no diagonal bracing or gusset plates at horizontal/vertical intersections. Ground zero has no wreakage of diagonal bracing. There are no details in the fake silverstein plans showing diagonal braces. Such braces are absolutely required. However, elevator openings and hallways prohibited them. The vertical steel in the core is elevator guide rail support steel as is identified here by the "butt plates" on the tops.

are you on drugs? you cant see the diagonal bracing in the first photo?

the vertical steel in the core is THE STEEL CORE you fucking moron.

No good way to tell which tower this is. but the core looks very solid. I say WTC 2 south side because the 2 hallways in both directions would allow the light as we see whereas WTC 1 would not.

the core looks solid except you can see light through it. it must be that invisible conrete again!!

This image shows nothing of consequence either way.

nothing of consequence except the steel core columns in the lower left of the picture!!!

By the above image we can see the below is another building altogether. HERE I show it, SPAM 4-POSTING UNKNOWN STRUCTURE CALLING IT WTC TWIN
http://www.usmessageboard.com/18978...//www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/

of course you need to claim its a different building. otherwise you would need to face the fact that its shows the steel core of the WTC.

the fact is that it is the WTC.

The below 2 images have no diagonals. Not "core columns" elevator guide rail support.

This below image, as the above, shows diagonals but they are part of the crane platform and exist just inside the interior box columns with the outer members on the same plane as where the concrete core walls are cast below. On the right is a moment frame in the same plane as the interior box columns that is heavily trussed. See the image at top and the crane platform diagonals are just visible inside the massive columns that did exist surrounding the concrete core.

Part of fizzrodd or stannrodd (images above from photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/), who has been stalking the concrete core information since 2004 with gumjob gamolon, is SPAM that has already been shown to be misrepresentations.

FIZZ SPAM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1860963-post3290.html


BERKLEY ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904734-post3480.html


TIME MAGAZINE ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904673-post3478.html

The video does not show steel core columns and does not have Robertson describing them.

This is the west wall of WTC 1 concrete core shear wall in an end view on the left and the right has an interior box column called the "spire". Far lef tis the core area and it is empty. Elevator guide rails support steel has no lateral strength so fell immediately.

you are a delusional fucking moron.

all the above pictures show the steel core of the WTC.

you do not have ONE picture of a concrete core.

fact vs. fiction.

STEEL CORE.

case closed.

 

[Christophera]

The below images show no diagonal bracing or gusset plates at horizontal/vertical intersections. Ground zero has no wreakage of diagonal bracing. There are no details in the fake silverstein plans showing diagonal braces. Such braces are absolutely required. However, elevator openings and hallways prohibited them. The vertical steel in the core is elevator guide rail support steel as is identified here by the "butt plates" on the tops.

are you on drugs? you cant see the diagonal bracing in the first photo?

the vertical steel in the core is THE STEEL CORE you fucking moron.

No good way to tell which tower this is. but the core looks very solid. I say WTC 2 south side because the 2 hallways in both directions would allow the light as we see whereas WTC 1 would not.

the core looks solid except you can see light through it. it must be that invisible conrete again!!


nothing of consequence except the steel core columns in the lower left of the picture!!!

By the above image we can see the below is another building altogether. HERE I show it, SPAM 4-POSTING UNKNOWN STRUCTURE CALLING IT WTC TWIN
http://www.usmessageboard.com/18978...//www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/

of course you need to claim its a different building. otherwise you would need to face the fact that its shows the steel core of the WTC.

the fact is that it is the WTC.

The below 2 images have no diagonals. Not "core columns" elevator guide rail support.

This below image, as the above, shows diagonals but they are part of the crane platform and exist just inside the interior box columns with the outer members on the same plane as where the concrete core walls are cast below. On the right is a moment frame in the same plane as the interior box columns that is heavily trussed. See the image at top and the crane platform diagonals are just visible inside the massive columns that did exist surrounding the concrete core.

Part of fizzrodd or stannrodd (images above from photobucket.com/albums/jj16/stannrodd/), who has been stalking the concrete core information since 2004 with gumjob gamolon, is SPAM that has already been shown to be misrepresentations.

FIZZ SPAM
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1860963-post3290.html


BERKLEY ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904734-post3480.html


TIME MAGAZINE ERRORS
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1904673-post3478.html

The video does not show steel core columns and does not have Robertson describing them.

This is the west wall of WTC 1 concrete core shear wall in an end view on the left and the right has an interior box column called the "spire". Far lef tis the core area and it is empty. Elevator guide rails support steel has no lateral strength so fell immediately.

you are a delusional fucking moron.

all the above pictures show the steel core of the WTC.

you do not have ONE picture of a concrete core.

fact vs. fiction.

STEEL CORE.

case closed.

No, your eyes are closed

Seriously, your evidence from construction is totally comprised of misrepresentations and the fact that construction images do not show concrete means that the perpetrators removed them from the archives just a guiliani took the plans while the courts protect their hiding.

The fact that 9-11 images DO show concrete and NO steel core columns, puts your assertions in the trash. The WTC 2 concrete core.

No, gypsum will not appear as that does fastened to "core columns" as you will try to assert. Hundreds of thousands of tons of steel crashed over that core and gypsum would be all but totally destroyed. It is concrete because it is intact. No structural steel is seen.

 

[Fizz]

No, your eyes are closed

Seriously, your evidence from construction is totally comprised of misrepresentations and the fact that construction images do not show concrete means that the perpetrators removed them from the archives

ok, for now i am willing to skip over asking for evidence that "perpetrators" removed all pictures from the internet, from books and from everything else if you will do one simple thing.......

explain how that is even possible.

 

[DiveCon]

No, your eyes are closed

Seriously, your evidence from construction is totally comprised of misrepresentations and the fact that construction images do not show concrete means that the perpetrators removed them from the archives

ok, for now i am willing to skip over asking for evidence that "perpetrators" removed all pictures from the internet, from books and from everything else if you will do one simple thing.......

explain how that is even possible.

it isnt
i have a DVD of raw footage of the construction
i need to figure out how to rip a small section where they show the core as ALL STEEL and post it to youtube so it can be posted here

 

[Christophera]

No, your eyes are closed

Seriously, your evidence from construction is totally comprised of misrepresentations and the fact that construction images do not show concrete means that the perpetrators removed them from the archives

ok, for now i am willing to skip over asking for evidence that "perpetrators" removed all pictures from the internet, from books and from everything else if you will do one simple thing.......

explain how that is even possible.

it isnt

Another aspect of the "big lie" you try to support. The concrete core was in the dark up to 60 feet back from the light of day at the bottom of a shaft that was quite often covered. Only a small number of good pictures of it were ever taken. Those were in the control of the city and ALL of them were taken in the WTC documents that guiliani took and the courts protect their hiding

6000 files of photographs, 1000 audiotapes, and 15,000 videotapes,

There is absolutely NO WAY a steel columned core, which must have many diagonal braces and gusset plates to have the rigidity a skyscaper core must have, will NOT be seen on 9-11 and it is not.

There was no steel columned core, there were no diagonal braces. Whatever your DVD shows it is not steel core columns. It is elevator guide rail support steel.

 

[DiveCon]

ok, for now i am willing to skip over asking for evidence that "perpetrators" removed all pictures from the internet, from books and from everything else if you will do one simple thing.......

explain how that is even possible.

it isnt

Another aspect of the "big lie" you try to support. The concrete core was in the dark up to 60 feet back from the light of day at the bottom of a shaft that was quite often covered. Only a small number of good pictures of it were ever taken. Those were in the control of the city and ALL of them were taken in the WTC documents that guiliani took and the courts protect their hiding

6000 files of photographs, 1000 audiotapes, and 15,000 videotapes,

There is absolutely NO WAY a steel columned core, which must have many diagonal braces and gusset plates to have the rigidity a skyscaper core must have, will NOT be seen on 9-11 and it is not.

There was no steel columned core, there were no diagonal braces. Whatever your DVD shows it is not steel core columns. It is elevator guide rail support steel.

just keep proving what a complete fucking idiot you are

its expected of you now

 

[Christophera]

You mean proving the concrete core.

This is so obviously a massive concrete wall toppling into the empty that you are obviously an agent working to support secret methods of mass murder.

 

[DiveCon]

You mean proving the concrete core.

This is so obviously a massive concrete wall toppling into the empty that you are obviously an agent working to support secret methods of mass murder.

you cant prove what wasnt there
and yes, anyone that doesnt agree with your delusional rantings are government agents

we are watching you, Mr Brown

 

[Fizz]

ok, for now i am willing to skip over asking for evidence that "perpetrators" removed all pictures from the internet, from books and from everything else if you will do one simple thing.......

explain how that is even possible.

it isnt

Another aspect of the "big lie" you try to support. The concrete core was in the dark up to 60 feet back from the light of day at the bottom of a shaft that was quite often covered. Only a small number of good pictures of it were ever taken. Those were in the control of the city and ALL of them were taken in the WTC documents that guiliani took and the courts protect their hiding

6000 files of photographs, 1000 audiotapes, and 15,000 videotapes,

There is absolutely NO WAY a steel columned core, which must have many diagonal braces and gusset plates to have the rigidity a skyscaper core must have, will NOT be seen on 9-11 and it is not.

There was no steel columned core, there were no diagonal braces. Whatever your DVD shows it is not steel core columns. It is elevator guide rail support steel.

i see you didnt answer the question of how it is possible to remove ALL pictures of the concrete core (that didnt exist).

now you move one to other ridiculous statements........ now you need to prove them also.
please prove that "elevator guide rail supports" get installed BEFORE the core. show one piece of evidence that supports this. you keep lying and saying the steel core is "elevator guide rail supports" with absolutely no documentation to back that up.

 

[Christophera]

This is a good reason you never answer questions, you pretend to not know what they are.

 

[Fizz]

this is a good reason you never answer questions, you pretend to not know what they are.

null post

 

[Christophera]

this is a good reason you never answer questions, you pretend to not know what they are.

null post

Nope, reason doesn't work like that. When I write "null post" in response to your posts, it is because you have offered no evidence to reasonably counter evidence already presented. When I write, "you pretend to not know what they are", I am referring to nearly the entire thread as evidence and simply provide another perspective to what is well substantiated.

For example, if I ask you to recognize enablement of the exact deception I allege when guiliani took the plans from the NYC offices while the courts protect their hiding, you ignore the fact or pretend it is okay to misrepresent the facts, or not know what they mean.

 

[candycorn]

You mean proving the concrete core.

This is so obviously a massive concrete wall toppling into the empty that you are obviously an agent working to support secret methods of mass murder.

you cant prove what wasnt there
and yes, anyone that doesnt agree with your delusional rantings are government agents

we are watching you, Mr Brown

No dipshit, you've done nothing but prove you're a hemorrhoid on the asshole of humanity.