Fire arms FACTS

[RetiredGySgt]

By Federal law every male from 17 to 45 is a member of the Militia. As long as they are US Citizens or legal residence.

So even if the 2nd Amendment depended on belonging to a Militia ALL males 17 to 45 would qualify.

There is NO requirement to belong to the Militia. neither the second nor Federal law stipulate any such requirement. That means anyone female or male that has not legally lost the right is able to own, possess and use firearms. Further federal law can not be written that restricts the right to belonging to a militia.

The second specifically states that the right can not be infringed.

The Courts have made clear that military style weapons in common use are what is protected by the 2nd.

If one has lost the right to possess weapons they can petition the Treasury Secretary to have it restored.

The following people have lost the rights under the 2nd.

Anyone convicted of a Felony.

Anyone that is charged with or convicted of domestic Violence.

Anyone mentally insane, requires a Judge to so rule.

Anyone ruled by a Judge to be incompetent.

Anyone committed to a mental institution or hospital against their will, requires a ruling from a Judge.

If you do not agree with this protected right you have no recourse except through the Courts or An amendment restricting the 2nd. As it stands now the Courts will rule against you.

The 2nd is an Individual right not a collective right and it does not require membership in a State Militia.

 

[rightwinger]

You forgot well regulated

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You forgot well regulated

Well regulated means the firearm is in good working order. If it applies to function it only applies to the federal part of the Militia. Further the Supreme Court made it clear. The second is an Individual right separate and removed from any membership in a Militia.

Basic English tells us that by reading the 2nd Amendment.The right to keep and bear arms is the main part and the Militia part is simply one example of why.

 

[Black_Label]

You forgot well regulated

Excellent point. Well regulated is the most important part of the amendment which the gun nutters conveniently forget.

It sounds like retired wants convicted felons, molesters, the mentally ill, and other nutcases limitless access to guns

 

[rightwinger]

You forgot well regulated

Well regulated means the firearm is in good working order. If it applies to function it only applies to the federal part of the Militia. Further the Supreme Court made it clear. The second is an Individual right separate and removed from any membership in a Militia.

Basic English tells us that by reading the 2nd Amendment.The right to keep and bear arms is the main part and the Militia part is simply one example of why.

Close, but no cigar

The term is well regulated militia, not well regulated arms

Try again

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You forgot well regulated

Well regulated means the firearm is in good working order. If it applies to function it only applies to the federal part of the Militia. Further the Supreme Court made it clear. The second is an Individual right separate and removed from any membership in a Militia.

Basic English tells us that by reading the 2nd Amendment.The right to keep and bear arms is the main part and the Militia part is simply one example of why.

Close, but no cigar

The term is well regulated militia, not well regulated arms

Try again

Already covered it. Again for the slow, the militia part is simply one example of why the INDIVIDUAL right is to be uninfringed. As for well regulated militia that would be the National Guard with the remaining population as the unorganized thus unregulated militia.

Federal law states that all males 17 to 45 belong to the unregulated unorganized militia.

Further the Court has ruled. That ruling is clear. One has an individual right to keep and bear arms irregardless of belonging to a Militia.

You try again.

 

[dilloduck]

You forgot well regulated

Well regulated means the firearm is in good working order. If it applies to function it only applies to the federal part of the Militia. Further the Supreme Court made it clear. The second is an Individual right separate and removed from any membership in a Militia.

Basic English tells us that by reading the 2nd Amendment.The right to keep and bear arms is the main part and the Militia part is simply one example of why.

Close, but no cigar

The term is well regulated militia, not well regulated arms

Try again

Then those responsible for maintaining the militia better get cracking because it's members are standing by as required.

 

[Black_Label]

Well regulated means the firearm is in good working order. If it applies to function it only applies to the federal part of the Militia. Further the Supreme Court made it clear. The second is an Individual right separate and removed from any membership in a Militia.

Basic English tells us that by reading the 2nd Amendment.The right to keep and bear arms is the main part and the Militia part is simply one example of why.

Close, but no cigar

The term is well regulated militia, not well regulated arms

Try again

Already covered it. Again for the slow, the militia part is simply one example of why the INDIVIDUAL right is to be uninfringed. As for well regulated militia that would be the National Guard with the remaining population as the unorganized thus unregulated militia.

Federal law states that all males 17 to 45 belong to the unregulated unorganized militia.

Further the Court has ruled. That ruling is clear. One has an individual right to keep and bear arms irregardless of belonging to a Militia.

You try again.

Actually it can be argued that the national guard is the militia, and no one else can own arms from there.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Close, but no cigar

The term is well regulated militia, not well regulated arms

Try again

Already covered it. Again for the slow, the militia part is simply one example of why the INDIVIDUAL right is to be uninfringed. As for well regulated militia that would be the National Guard with the remaining population as the unorganized thus unregulated militia.

Federal law states that all males 17 to 45 belong to the unregulated unorganized militia.

Further the Court has ruled. That ruling is clear. One has an individual right to keep and bear arms irregardless of belonging to a Militia.

You try again.

Actually it can be argued that the national guard is the militia, and no one else can own arms from there.

Well except for that pesky Federal law and the second amendment.

Federal law STATES that ALL males 17 to 45 are the UNORGANIZED MILITIA. So much for that argument.

 

[Black_Label]

Already covered it. Again for the slow, the militia part is simply one example of why the INDIVIDUAL right is to be uninfringed. As for well regulated militia that would be the National Guard with the remaining population as the unorganized thus unregulated militia.

Federal law states that all males 17 to 45 belong to the unregulated unorganized militia.

Further the Court has ruled. That ruling is clear. One has an individual right to keep and bear arms irregardless of belonging to a Militia.

You try again.

Actually it can be argued that the national guard is the militia, and no one else can own arms from there.

Well except for that pesky Federal law and the second amendment.

Federal law STATES that ALL males 17 to 45 are the UNORGANIZED MILITIA. So much for that argument.

The 2nd amendment also states that their arms to be: Every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack

It states that the well regulated militia are those called upon by the government to be armed, AKA the draft. I'm not sure what the point you are trying to get at,...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Actually it can be argued that the national guard is the militia, and no one else can own arms from there.

Well except for that pesky Federal law and the second amendment.

Federal law STATES that ALL males 17 to 45 are the UNORGANIZED MILITIA. So much for that argument.

The 2nd amendment also states that their arms to be: Every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack

I'm not sure what the point you are trying to get at,...

You are a bald faced liar, or can you link to the actual 2nd Amendment that says what you just said?

Federal law that is CURRENT states that all males 17 to 45 are part of the unorganized militia.

Further the Supreme Court ruled that the second is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT separate and not related to belonging to any militia.

 

[Missourian]

Close, but no cigar

The term is well regulated militia, not well regulated arms

Try again

Already covered it. Again for the slow, the militia part is simply one example of why the INDIVIDUAL right is to be uninfringed. As for well regulated militia that would be the National Guard with the remaining population as the unorganized thus unregulated militia.

Federal law states that all males 17 to 45 belong to the unregulated unorganized militia.

Further the Court has ruled. That ruling is clear. One has an individual right to keep and bear arms irregardless of belonging to a Militia.

You try again.

Actually it can be argued that the national guard is the militia, and no one else can own arms from there.

No, it can't.

This is settled law now.

Read and understand.

Gun ownership is an individual right, not a communal right.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nonetheless, regardless of common use, 'well regulated' refers to the militia not weapons. And SCOTUS has reserved the right for itself to rule of dangerous and or unusual weapons. No one here on the board is going to buy a recoiless rifle at Wal-Mart anytime soon.

 

[Missourian]

Nonetheless, regardless of common use, 'well regulated' refers to the militia not weapons. And SCOTUS has reserved the right for itself to rule of dangerous and or unusual weapons. No one here on the board is going to buy a recoiless rifle at Wal-Mart anytime soon.

I don't think a crew served weapon would be categorized as an arm one would bear.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Nonetheless, regardless of common use, 'well regulated' refers to the militia not weapons. And SCOTUS has reserved the right for itself to rule of dangerous and or unusual weapons. No one here on the board is going to buy a recoiless rifle at Wal-Mart anytime soon.

Well regulated means ready to fight, armed up, plenty of ammo and ready to go at a moments notice. None of your other points mean anything.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nonetheless, regardless of common use, 'well regulated' refers to the militia not weapons. And SCOTUS has reserved the right for itself to rule of dangerous and or unusual weapons. No one here on the board is going to buy a recoiless rifle at Wal-Mart anytime soon.

Well regulated means ready to fight, armed up, plenty of ammo and ready to go at a moments notice. None of your other points mean anything.

Loop up the law.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nonetheless, regardless of common use, 'well regulated' refers to the militia not weapons. And SCOTUS has reserved the right for itself to rule of dangerous and or unusual weapons. No one here on the board is going to buy a recoiless rifle at Wal-Mart anytime soon.

Well regulated means ready to fight, armed up, plenty of ammo and ready to go at a moments notice. None of your other points mean anything.

They do, actually, and a well regulated militia means exactly all of that, under the auspices of state or national military control.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Nonetheless, regardless of common use, 'well regulated' refers to the militia not weapons. And SCOTUS has reserved the right for itself to rule of dangerous and or unusual weapons. No one here on the board is going to buy a recoiless rifle at Wal-Mart anytime soon.

'well regulated' is in reference to the firearm a militia member is to have

when a firearm is sighted in and functions properly it is considered well regulated

which is obvious since the militia with a bunch of non functional weapons could not

provide security for a free state

however it is the right of the people to keep and bear arms

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, JonBezerk, the term refers to the militia, not the arm.

 

[JakeStarkey]

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndmea.html

Some argue that since the militias are "owned," or under the command of the states, that the states are free to disarm their militia if they so choose, and therefore of course no individual right to keep arms exists. The Militia is not "owned," rather it is controlled, organized, et. cetera, by governments. The federal government as well as the states have no legitimate power to disarm the people from which militias are organized. Unfortunately, few jurists today hold this view. (See Reynolds, Glen Harlan, A Critical Guide to the Second Amendment, 62 Tenn. L. Rev. 461-511 [1995].)

We can begin to deduce what well-regulated meant from Alexander Hamilton's words in Federalist Paper No. 29:

The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.
--- The Federalist Papers, No. 29.

Hamilton indicates a well-regulated militia is a state of preparedness obtained after rigorous and persistent training. Note the use of 'disciplining' which indicates discipline could be synonymous with well-trained.

This quote from the Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789 also conveys the meaning of well regulated:

Resolved , That this appointment be conferred on experienced and vigilant general officers, who are acquainted with whatever relates to the general economy, manoeuvres and discipline of a well regulated army.
--- Saturday, December 13, 1777.