First day of school and pledge of allegiance

First day of school in Maryland. 4th period, each class, the school determines for the recitation for the Pledge of Allegiance. My 11th grade son is in is assigned class. He is the only one to stand up and recite. One of the slackers turns and says, “are we still doing this?”

I’d like to thank the Armed Forces, past and present, who made it possible for these malcontents and ingrates (and their parents and families) to sit idle during the Pledge of Allegiance. To the appeasing Big Education..... Go Fuck Yourself.
Do you know the history of the pledge?

It was originally written by Francis Bellamy - Wikipedia without the words "under goD". You guys woulda hated him by the way. He was a socialist who believed in "the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus" as well as a leader in the public education movement and the nationalization movement.

"Under god" was added in the 1950s as pretty much pure McCarthyism in response to the "red scare".

So you hate pretty much everything about the pledge's history, you just like the fact that it stirs your jingoism.

Another thought:

For people who claim to be fans of freedom and personal responsibility you sure don't seem to understand what either one of those is.

Here’s a thought... based on the History, looks like another case of Christian Capitalists taking a socialist concept and making it better. Here is another Fact: no where does Jesus mention taking care of the poor and sick must go through the State (Caesar). I am certain Jesus will not judge me on my donations to the State in the name of the Poor. I will be judged what I do Direct in alignment with His teachings. What is going to be interesting is how He views the statists that had Him removed from the schools and courts yet his cherry-picked teachings used as tools to hold his followed followers accountable to the State.
Weasel words.

Show me in the Bible where Jesus says Christians need to listen to the State when it comes to his teachings? More specifically, show me where it says in order to feed the poor and take care of the sick, Christians need to listen to the State?
 
Forget the Pledge of Allegiance. How about holding kids accountable? That’s the larger issue. If you think K-12 students are being held accountable compared to generations past, you are smoking crack.
They are held accountable for different things
Name those different things.
Kids today are more accountable for bullying, making racist or homophobic statements
It is not the kids, it is the administration putting an emphasis on things that kids have done since the beginning of time. Trying to change certain behaviors that are part of growing up is meddling and damages these kids more than bullying or teasing classmates.
Who cares?

The statement was that kids are not held accountable. I said they are

You said they are accountable yet you provided a limited case (racist and homophobic statements from white kids) to show how the students are accountable. What about kids, regardless of race, telling teachers to fuck off when asked for their homework? What about non-white kids bullying or making homophobic statements? Do you have kids in the US school system today?
 
So you think being religious means you should be docile pushovers who let their country be taken right out from under their feet by invaders?

Depends, do you realize it's the religmo's doing the pushing pushover....

~S~
 
Show me in the Bible where Jesus says Christians need to listen to the State when it comes to his teachings? More specifically, show me where it says in order to feed the poor and take care of the sick, Christians need to listen to the State?
Rome gave a dole to it's poor/unemployed. Caesar implemented that dole, out of the revenue rendered unto Caesar.
 
Show me in the Bible where Jesus says Christians need to listen to the State when it comes to his teachings? More specifically, show me where it says in order to feed the poor and take care of the sick, Christians need to listen to the State?
Rome gave a dole to it's poor/unemployed. Caesar implemented that dole, out of the revenue rendered unto Caesar.

Then Caesar followed Jesus teachings. Again, where did Jesus say for Christians to give to the State TO FEED THE POOR AND SICK? Jesus said you had to support the State but he also said Christians had to give to Him and his works. Your attempts to place the State’s priorities above Jesus in the name of Jesus’ teachings is pathetic.
 
First day of school in Maryland. 4th period, each class, the school determines for the recitation for the Pledge of Allegiance. My 11th grade son is in is assigned class. He is the only one to stand up and recite. One of the slackers turns and says, “are we still doing this?”

I’d like to thank the Armed Forces, past and present, who made it possible for these malcontents and ingrates (and their parents and families) to sit idle during the Pledge of Allegiance. To the appeasing Big Education..... Go Fuck Yourself.
Do you know the history of the pledge?

It was originally written by Francis Bellamy - Wikipedia without the words "under goD". You guys woulda hated him by the way. He was a socialist who believed in "the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus" as well as a leader in the public education movement and the nationalization movement.

"Under god" was added in the 1950s as pretty much pure McCarthyism in response to the "red scare".

So you hate pretty much everything about the pledge's history, you just like the fact that it stirs your jingoism.

Another thought:

For people who claim to be fans of freedom and personal responsibility you sure don't seem to understand what either one of those is.

Here’s a thought... based on the History, looks like another case of Christian Capitalists taking a socialist concept and making it better. Here is another Fact: no where does Jesus mention taking care of the poor and sick must go through the State (Caesar). I am certain Jesus will not judge me on my donations to the State in the name of the Poor. I will be judged what I do Direct in alignment with His teachings. What is going to be interesting is how He views the statists that had Him removed from the schools and courts yet his cherry-picked teachings used as tools to hold his followed followers accountable to the State.
Weasel words.

Show me in the Bible where Jesus says Christians need to listen to the State when it comes to his teachings? More specifically, show me where it says in order to feed the poor and take care of the sick, Christians need to listen to the State?
Don't be stupider than you have to be kid.
 
Forget the Pledge of Allegiance. How about holding kids accountable? That’s the larger issue. If you think K-12 students are being held accountable compared to generations past, you are smoking crack.
OP didn't work out as well as you had hoped?
 
It really was wise of the founders to put fealty oaths and recitations in the Constitution for our children to memorize for a daily ritual pledge to the almighty State.

Wasn't it?
 
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Again, where did Jesus say for Christians to give to the State TO FEED THE POOR AND SICK?
When he said to render unto Caesar that which was Caesar's. Just how thick are you?

Jesus clearly delineated between what was HIS and what was Caesar’s. The “thickness” you refer to is in your head; namely because you people equate if not supersede the State over Jesus.
 
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Again, where did Jesus say for Christians to give to the State TO FEED THE POOR AND SICK?
When he said to render unto Caesar that which was Caesar's. Just how thick are you?

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Again, where did Jesus say for Christians to give to the State TO FEED THE POOR AND SICK?
When he said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Don't you read? Jesus was socialist, like the author of the oath of allegiance. Sheesh.
 
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Again, where did Jesus say for Christians to give to the State TO FEED THE POOR AND SICK?
When he said to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Don't you read? Jesus was socialist, like the author of the oath of allegiance. Sheesh.

Jesus explicitly said to give to the poor and give to Caesar what is Caeser’s..... nothing explicit about giving to Caesar so it can distribute to the poor. That was Caesar following Jesus. Another fallacy in your interpretation is that you assume Caeser gets to determine what is Caeser’s without limits. If all goes to Caeser, then none is left over for Christians to give what is Jesus’s. As per your earlier post, yes I keep reading but don’t see where Jesus said the mission is to give to Caeser so it can be distributed to the poor. That’s your interpretation.
 
That’s your interpretation.
And you'll find many a fundy that has what s/he THINKS is a verbatim interpretation of what Jesus would spend our tax $$$ on, what jesus wouldn't spend our tax $$$ on, etc etc ad nasuem

~S~
 
That’s your interpretation.
And you'll find many a fundy that has what s/he THINKS is a verbatim interpretation of what Jesus would spend our tax $$$ on, what jesus wouldn't spend our tax $$$ on, etc etc ad nasuem

~S~

Jesus will hold Christians accountable to what they did for the poor, not for the State (Caesar).
 
That’s your interpretation.
And you'll find many a fundy that has what s/he THINKS is a verbatim interpretation of what Jesus would spend our tax $$$ on, what jesus wouldn't spend our tax $$$ on, etc etc ad nasuem

~S~

Jesus will hold Christians accountable to what they did for the poor, not for the State (Caesar).

Jesus will hold all fundies accountable for coercing faith L'o L

in fact i suspect the first sign of the 2nd coming to be a smoking hole where the vatican used to be

~S~
 

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