Followers Of A Mysterious Turkish Islamic Cleric Have Donated Heavily To Hillary’s Campaign And Fami

[Wry Catcher]

Hate and Fear. It seems the fear comes first, and then the hate. Can we than assume that those who hate a billion or more people they don't know are cowards, so scared they must hate that which they don't, or in the case of Stephanie, can't understand?

Be mindful of the fact that Donald Trump has promulgated fear into becoming the leader for the Republican Nomination for POTUS.

Its always funny when left wingers mention "fear"
Global warming will lead to more rapes
Obamas daughter got her asthma from climate change
North polar cap will disappear in 5 years
WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Gee, an expanded Idiot-Gram. Not only are his posts childish, they lack substance and are an embarrassment to the vast majority of Americans.

People all over the world read the idiotic remarks of people like TNHarley, and they reflect poorly on most of us.

 

[turzovka]

Maybe you ought to find the film Lawrence of Arabia to update your knowledge of history. Do you know about the Mandates post WW I?

Evil exists; sometimes evil is the outcome of fear, avarice, ignorance, prejudices, bigotry and revenge.

The movie Lawrence of Arabia? You want me to learn from Peter O’Toole and David Lean?

Yes, I actually have some familiarity with the British or U.N. mandates and White Papers, et al. So what? Nothing in those was anti-Arab. Of course, nothing every issued was good enough for the Arabs either.

 

[TNHarley]

Hate and Fear. It seems the fear comes first, and then the hate. Can we than assume that those who hate a billion or more people they don't know are cowards, so scared they must hate that which they don't, or in the case of Stephanie, can't understand?

Be mindful of the fact that Donald Trump has promulgated fear into becoming the leader for the Republican Nomination for POTUS.

Its always funny when left wingers mention "fear"
Global warming will lead to more rapes
Obamas daughter got her asthma from climate change
North polar cap will disappear in 5 years
WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Gee, an expanded Idiot-Gram. Not only are his posts childish, they lack substance and are an embarrassment to the vast majority of Americans.

People all over the world read the idiotic remarks of people like TNHarley, and they reflect poorly on most of us.

A partisan doesn't comprehend the hypocrisy. Imagine that..
Carry on

 

[Wry Catcher]

Maybe you ought to find the film Lawrence of Arabia to update your knowledge of history. Do you know about the Mandates post WW I?

Evil exists; sometimes evil is the outcome of fear, avarice, ignorance, prejudices, bigotry and revenge.

The movie Lawrence of Arabia? You want me to learn from Peter O’Toole and David Lean?

Yes, I actually have some familiarity with the British or U.N. mandates and White Papers, et al. So what? Nothing in those was anti-Arab. Of course, nothing every issued was good enough for the Arabs either.

Suppose you explain how the fall of the Ottoman Empire and oil relate to the current crisis in the ME, and how both didn't have a negative impact on the native population.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hate and Fear. It seems the fear comes first, and then the hate. Can we than assume that those who hate a billion or more people they don't know are cowards, so scared they must hate that which they don't, or in the case of Stephanie, can't understand?

Be mindful of the fact that Donald Trump has promulgated fear into becoming the leader for the Republican Nomination for POTUS.

Its always funny when left wingers mention "fear"
Global warming will lead to more rapes
Obamas daughter got her asthma from climate change
North polar cap will disappear in 5 years
WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Gee, an expanded Idiot-Gram. Not only are his posts childish, they lack substance and are an embarrassment to the vast majority of Americans.

People all over the world read the idiotic remarks of people like TNHarley, and they reflect poorly on most of us.

A partisan doesn't comprehend the hypocrisy. Imagine that..
Carry on

Oh, partisan's do understand hypocrisy, as well ad hominem's posted by those unable to compose a rebuttal.

What does pointing out the obvious (Trumps fear mongering) have to do with your comment? Not a damn thing, and your response is typical of partisan hacks as it lacks substance, and is an ad hominem since it makes no effort (not that you could) to refute Trumps tactic which I made clear.

 

[TNHarley]

Hate and Fear. It seems the fear comes first, and then the hate. Can we than assume that those who hate a billion or more people they don't know are cowards, so scared they must hate that which they don't, or in the case of Stephanie, can't understand?

Be mindful of the fact that Donald Trump has promulgated fear into becoming the leader for the Republican Nomination for POTUS.

Its always funny when left wingers mention "fear"
Global warming will lead to more rapes
Obamas daughter got her asthma from climate change
North polar cap will disappear in 5 years
WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Gee, an expanded Idiot-Gram. Not only are his posts childish, they lack substance and are an embarrassment to the vast majority of Americans.

People all over the world read the idiotic remarks of people like TNHarley, and they reflect poorly on most of us.

A partisan doesn't comprehend the hypocrisy. Imagine that..
Carry on

Oh, partisan's do understand hypocrisy, as well ad hominem's posted by those unable to compose a rebuttal.

What does pointing out the obvious (Trumps fear mongering) have to do with your comment? Not a damn thing, and your response is typical of partisan hacks as it lacks substance, and is an ad hominem since it makes no effort (not that you could) to refute Trumps tactic which I made clear.

I was pointing out it is hysterical how you lefties always say "fear" when your base thrives on the SAME FUCKIN THING

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hate and Fear. It seems the fear comes first, and then the hate. Can we than assume that those who hate a billion or more people they don't know are cowards, so scared they must hate that which they don't, or in the case of Stephanie, can't understand?

Be mindful of the fact that Donald Trump has promulgated fear into becoming the leader for the Republican Nomination for POTUS.

Its always funny when left wingers mention "fear"
Global warming will lead to more rapes
Obamas daughter got her asthma from climate change
North polar cap will disappear in 5 years
WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Gee, an expanded Idiot-Gram. Not only are his posts childish, they lack substance and are an embarrassment to the vast majority of Americans.

People all over the world read the idiotic remarks of people like TNHarley, and they reflect poorly on most of us.

A partisan doesn't comprehend the hypocrisy. Imagine that..
Carry on

Oh, partisan's do understand hypocrisy, as well ad hominem's posted by those unable to compose a rebuttal.

What does pointing out the obvious (Trumps fear mongering) have to do with your comment? Not a damn thing, and your response is typical of partisan hacks as it lacks substance, and is an ad hominem since it makes no effort (not that you could) to refute Trumps tactic which I made clear.

I was pointing out it is hysterical how you lefties always say "fear" when your base thrives on the SAME FUCKIN THING

My base? Hardly, no one in my base feels the need to carry a concealed gun to the grocery store, or never leave home without a gun; my base supports science, watches PBS, listens to NPR and is curious.

My base writes or says, "I don't know" and then seeks to know; my base understands we (as a species) don't have all the answers nor have we even formulated all the necessary questions.

My base listens, evaluates, ask questions and considers alternatives; my base examines facts and dismisses superstitions as false beliefs.

Can you say the same for your base?

 

[turzovka]

Maybe you ought to find the film Lawrence of Arabia to update your knowledge of history. Do you know about the Mandates post WW I?

Evil exists; sometimes evil is the outcome of fear, avarice, ignorance, prejudices, bigotry and revenge.

The movie Lawrence of Arabia? You want me to learn from Peter O’Toole and David Lean?

Yes, I actually have some familiarity with the British or U.N. mandates and White Papers, et al. So what? Nothing in those was anti-Arab. Of course, nothing every issued was good enough for the Arabs either.

Suppose you explain how the fall of the Ottoman Empire and oil relate to the current crisis in the ME, and how both didn't have a negative impact on the native population.

Do we really have time to debate this? I have met many like you on these boards. Intransigent in their opinions on Jewish-Arab matters and conflicts. You might say I am that way, too. But that is because I have looked at this history for decades. I have read enough. Below is an old, call it, "position paper" of mine in response to so many "on the other side" as it is. You do not have to read one sentence. But it explains why I am fed up with all the lies and demagoguery coming from Arab, Muslim, Western European govts and media, and US govts, and media, and universities. Have a nice day.

============================================================

Israel has been treated cruelly and savagely since its birth. When they returned to the land some called Palestine beginning in the early 1900’s it never pushed anyone off of their land. It purchased land occupied by no one from the Turks and absentee wealthy Arab land owners. They moved in to this region the same way an almost equal number of Arabs moved in at the same time. Except those Arabs from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are now referred to as Palestinian people and/or refugees. How is that? Most of the so-called Palestinians were Arabs from neighboring countries who moved onto this land because the Jewish presence and efforts offered them economic opportunities. The fact that there were more Arabs on the land pre-1900 than there were Jews or other nationalities does not give those Arabs license to call it their country. It was under Ottoman rule, these were not countries back then, and Jerusalem always had more Jews living in that city than any other people.

The Jews were always willing to accept any British or U.N. mandates, white papers, or proposals of compromise back in the 20's, 30's or 40's. So when Britain pulled out in May 1948 and the Jews in their allotted portion of the region declared themselves an independent nation, the United States and Russia immediately recognized them as legitimate. But the following day of their declaration 5 Arab nations and 7 armies attacked them to clearly destroy them. Why? What right did they have to do that? Who tried to stop them? No one. Who defended Israel? No one, but the Jews themselves and some funding from American Jews.

Further wars in 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982. What is Israel to do? The regimes and Islamic movements in the Arab world clearly has wanted to destroy them since a Jewish presence increase in the 1920’s. It has nothing to do with the refugee problem or settlements. These neighboring Arab nations have been anything but sympathetic to the Palestinian plight. They have offered little or no economic assistance and will not let them emigrate into other Arab nations. They use the Palestinians as pawns. They exploit their sufferings in order to garner the world’s sympathy. The wealthy Arab nations could easily raise the standard of living for all of the West Bank and Gaza, make peace with Israel, and become a sovereign nation. But it is obvious that would only imped their grander and more insidious objectives.

Meanwhile 2 million other Arab citizens live peaceably within Israel’s borders with full citizen rights. It's a sham. World opinion is against Israel. So is most of the mainstream media or they would tell the whole story. Meanwhile, Israel for now 60 years or more has had to fight 5 wars and endure thousands of attacks on its people. And what do they get in return? Elitists in Europe, America and the U.N. and professors in our universities calling them inhumane for bulldozing homes or for building a fence. Finland refused to sell them gas masks but will send them to the Arabs. Israel tries repeatedly for peace treaties and Arafat, et al. tells them not interested. Recall the Camp David accords when Clinton tried to broker a deal. Israel offered just about everything to Arafat for almost nothing in return except the acknowledgement of right for Israel to exist. Nope, no deal. Not good enough. This made it clear. The Arab regimes who were actually in charge of these proceedings did not want peace. Their hatred of the Jews was too great.

Well forget listening. Enough is enough. Israel has made the decision that more strict military defense efforts are the only language these people understand. If they are going to kill innocent civilians in our streets then we are not going to continuously apologize to all of our critics because of some collateral deaths when these extremist cells and terrorists hide out behind civilian surroundings.

This is the way it has to be. The Arabs do not want peace and no other solutions are forth coming from those who criticize Israel. So my criticism for the Jews at this time is minimal. They have suffered alone for reasons the “Israel friendly” media never dares report on or remind us of. Israel, like any free nation, is not perfect. And the mainstream media, with their own agenda, scours their souls for specks and ignores the planks in the eyes of the Arabs, the U.N., and all those self righteous scholars in the West.

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't get the point of this thread. American Muslims aren't allowed to donate to Presidential Campaigns without freaking Stephanie out?

You dont get many things. Like Tab A belongs in Slot B.
But here dealing with the Clintons you look at the money and the decisions and know the two are related. Recall the Buddhist nuns in Bill's campaign.
This is dirty money, of course.

 

[The Rabbi]

Its always funny when left wingers mention "fear"
Global warming will lead to more rapes
Obamas daughter got her asthma from climate change
North polar cap will disappear in 5 years
WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Gee, an expanded Idiot-Gram. Not only are his posts childish, they lack substance and are an embarrassment to the vast majority of Americans.

People all over the world read the idiotic remarks of people like TNHarley, and they reflect poorly on most of us.

A partisan doesn't comprehend the hypocrisy. Imagine that..
Carry on

Oh, partisan's do understand hypocrisy, as well ad hominem's posted by those unable to compose a rebuttal.

What does pointing out the obvious (Trumps fear mongering) have to do with your comment? Not a damn thing, and your response is typical of partisan hacks as it lacks substance, and is an ad hominem since it makes no effort (not that you could) to refute Trumps tactic which I made clear.

I was pointing out it is hysterical how you lefties always say "fear" when your base thrives on the SAME FUCKIN THING

My base? Hardly, no one in my base feels the need to carry a concealed gun to the grocery store, or never leave home without a gun; my base supports science, watches PBS, listens to NPR and is curious.

My base writes or says, "I don't know" and then seeks to know; my base understands we (as a species) don't have all the answers nor have we even formulated all the necessary questions.

My base listens, evaluates, ask questions and considers alternatives; my base examines facts and dismisses superstitions as false beliefs.

Can you say the same for your base?

Sounds just like the "base" that was murdered in Paris last week. Your "base" are sheeple waiting to be slaughtered.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Daily Caller didn't mention the Republicans that also got money from these people.

I wonder why?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Maybe you ought to find the film Lawrence of Arabia to update your knowledge of history. Do you know about the Mandates post WW I?

Evil exists; sometimes evil is the outcome of fear, avarice, ignorance, prejudices, bigotry and revenge.

The movie Lawrence of Arabia? You want me to learn from Peter O’Toole and David Lean?

Yes, I actually have some familiarity with the British or U.N. mandates and White Papers, et al. So what? Nothing in those was anti-Arab. Of course, nothing every issued was good enough for the Arabs either.

Suppose you explain how the fall of the Ottoman Empire and oil relate to the current crisis in the ME, and how both didn't have a negative impact on the native population.

Do we really have time to debate this? I have met many like you on these boards. Intransigent in their opinions on Jewish-Arab matters and conflicts. You might say I am that way, too. But that is because I have looked at this history for decades. I have read enough. Below is an old, call it, "position paper" of mine in response to so many "on the other side" as it is. You do not have to read one sentence. But it explains why I am fed up with all the lies and demagoguery coming from Arab, Muslim, Western European govts and media, and US govts, and media, and universities. Have a nice day.

============================================================

Israel has been treated cruelly and savagely since its birth. When they returned to the land some called Palestine beginning in the early 1900’s it never pushed anyone off of their land. It purchased land occupied by no one from the Turks and absentee wealthy Arab land owners. They moved in to this region the same way an almost equal number of Arabs moved in at the same time. Except those Arabs from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq are now referred to as Palestinian people and/or refugees. How is that? Most of the so-called Palestinians were Arabs from neighboring countries who moved onto this land because the Jewish presence and efforts offered them economic opportunities. The fact that there were more Arabs on the land pre-1900 than there were Jews or other nationalities does not give those Arabs license to call it their country. It was under Ottoman rule, these were not countries back then, and Jerusalem always had more Jews living in that city than any other people.

The Jews were always willing to accept any British or U.N. mandates, white papers, or proposals of compromise back in the 20's, 30's or 40's. So when Britain pulled out in May 1948 and the Jews in their allotted portion of the region declared themselves an independent nation, the United States and Russia immediately recognized them as legitimate. But the following day of their declaration 5 Arab nations and 7 armies attacked them to clearly destroy them. Why? What right did they have to do that? Who tried to stop them? No one. Who defended Israel? No one, but the Jews themselves and some funding from American Jews.

Further wars in 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982. What is Israel to do? The regimes and Islamic movements in the Arab world clearly has wanted to destroy them since a Jewish presence increase in the 1920’s. It has nothing to do with the refugee problem or settlements. These neighboring Arab nations have been anything but sympathetic to the Palestinian plight. They have offered little or no economic assistance and will not let them emigrate into other Arab nations. They use the Palestinians as pawns. They exploit their sufferings in order to garner the world’s sympathy. The wealthy Arab nations could easily raise the standard of living for all of the West Bank and Gaza, make peace with Israel, and become a sovereign nation. But it is obvious that would only imped their grander and more insidious objectives.

Meanwhile 2 million other Arab citizens live peaceably within Israel’s borders with full citizen rights. It's a sham. World opinion is against Israel. So is most of the mainstream media or they would tell the whole story. Meanwhile, Israel for now 60 years or more has had to fight 5 wars and endure thousands of attacks on its people. And what do they get in return? Elitists in Europe, America and the U.N. and professors in our universities calling them inhumane for bulldozing homes or for building a fence. Finland refused to sell them gas masks but will send them to the Arabs. Israel tries repeatedly for peace treaties and Arafat, et al. tells them not interested. Recall the Camp David accords when Clinton tried to broker a deal. Israel offered just about everything to Arafat for almost nothing in return except the acknowledgement of right for Israel to exist. Nope, no deal. Not good enough. This made it clear. The Arab regimes who were actually in charge of these proceedings did not want peace. Their hatred of the Jews was too great.

Well forget listening. Enough is enough. Israel has made the decision that more strict military defense efforts are the only language these people understand. If they are going to kill innocent civilians in our streets then we are not going to continuously apologize to all of our critics because of some collateral deaths when these extremist cells and terrorists hide out behind civilian surroundings.

This is the way it has to be. The Arabs do not want peace and no other solutions are forth coming from those who criticize Israel. So my criticism for the Jews at this time is minimal. They have suffered alone for reasons the “Israel friendly” media never dares report on or remind us of. Israel, like any free nation, is not perfect. And the mainstream media, with their own agenda, scours their souls for specks and ignores the planks in the eyes of the Arabs, the U.N., and all those self righteous scholars in the West.

I made no mention of the State of Israel, the mandates post WW I were imposed three decades prior to the UN resolution and the eventual creation of the State of Israel in 1948.

Everything before that was all about oil and in all honesty it still is. Hate, fear and mistrust continue to cost the lives of Jews, Muslims and Christians, when a simple treaty and a cease fire would create an economic boom for tourism and industry.

I suppose killing each others kids is God's Plan.

 

[turzovka]

I made no mention of the State of Israel, the mandates post WW I were imposed three decades prior to the UN resolution and the eventual creation of the State of Israel in 1948.

Everything before that was all about oil and in all honesty it still is. Hate, fear and mistrust continue to cost the lives of Jews, Muslims and Christians, when a simple treaty and a cease fire would create an economic boom for tourism and industry.

I suppose killing each others kids is God's Plan.

I do not agree with this statement of yours at all ---

“…everything before that was all about oil and in all honesty it still is.”


And I do not agree with this statement of yours at all because one party is not interested in the least of making peace, they want destruction ---

“ when a simple treaty and a cease fire would create an economic boom for tourism and industry.”


You need not try to convince me I am wrong, and I will not try to do that to you, either.

 

[ogibillm]

What makes the cleric so "mysterious?"

Does he wear a cape?

 

[Arianrhod]

I don't get the point of this thread. American Muslims aren't allowed to donate to Presidential Campaigns without freaking Stephanie out?

That's all you really need to know.