For Democrats : Are you feelin' the Bern ?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Worse, it has failed to put ANY plan on the table.

of course that's a very very stupid liberal lie:


Republicans have proposed many solutions to control health care ...

www.politifact.com/.../johnson-said-republicans-have-proposed-dozens-solu/
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Nov 26, 2013 ... "Throughout the health care debate, Republicans have proposed dozens ... His staff sent us a list of 24 Republican proposals released over the years, ... stay on their parents' plans or making it harder for insurance companies ..

 

[g5000]

Worse, it has failed to put ANY plan on the table.

of course that's a very very stupid liberal lie:

No, it's a fact. The GOP has never put a comprehensive health care reform package on the table.

You know to tell that is a fact? Because the GOP controlled the White House, the Congress, and the Supreme Court all at the same time.

And what did they do during that time? They created a new trillion dollar government entitlement program, and didn't pay for it. To win senior votes in 2004.

So don't pretend they tried. Don't pretend the little tidbits of gristle they tossed on the table after they lost power matter. When it did matter, they did NOTHING.

The Democrats have telegraphed for DECADES what they would do if given the chance. Ted Kennedy made it his life's work.

And during all that time, health care costs were outpacing inflation.

And what did the GOP do when it controlled all three branches of government to get that under control?

Worse than nothing. They ADDED A TRILLION DOLLARS OF GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENTS.

So...wakey wakey! Time to face the painful reality.

The GOP sold us down the single payer healthcare river decades ago. They abdicated the issue totally.

Everything else is theater for rubes like you.

We will see single payer in our lifetimes. Thanks to GOP sellouts and the rubes who drink their piss.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Worse, it has failed to put ANY plan on the table.

of course that's a very very stupid liberal lie:

No, it's a fact. The GOP has never put a comprehensive health care reform package on the table.

You know to tell that is a fact? Because the GOP controlled the White House, the Congress, and the Supreme Court all at the same time.

And what did they do during that time? They created a new trillion dollar government entitlement program, and didn't pay for it. To win senior votes in 2004.

So don't pretend they tried. Don't pretend the little tidbits of gristle they tossed on the table after they lost power matter. When it did matter, they did NOTHING.

The Democrats have telegraphed for DECADES what they would do if given the chance. Ted Kennedy made it his life's work.

And during all that time, health care costs were outpacing inflation.

And what did the GOP do when it controlled all three branches of government to get that under control?

Worse than nothing. They ADDED A TRILLION DOLLARS OF GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENTS.

So...wakey wakey! Time to face the painful reality.

The GOP sold us down the single payer healthcare river decades ago. They abdicated the issue totally.

Everything else is theater for rubes like you.

We will see single payer in our lifetimes. Thanks to GOP sellouts and the rubes who drink their piss.

Single payer isn't a bad thing, in fact, I'm pretty sure conservatives in other countries support it.

 

[g5000]

Worse, it has failed to put ANY plan on the table.

of course that's a very very stupid liberal lie:

No, it's a fact. The GOP has never put a comprehensive health care reform package on the table.

You know to tell that is a fact? Because the GOP controlled the White House, the Congress, and the Supreme Court all at the same time.

And what did they do during that time? They created a new trillion dollar government entitlement program, and didn't pay for it. To win senior votes in 2004.

So don't pretend they tried. Don't pretend the little tidbits of gristle they tossed on the table after they lost power matter. When it did matter, they did NOTHING.

The Democrats have telegraphed for DECADES what they would do if given the chance. Ted Kennedy made it his life's work.

And during all that time, health care costs were outpacing inflation.

And what did the GOP do when it controlled all three branches of government to get that under control?

Worse than nothing. They ADDED A TRILLION DOLLARS OF GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENTS.

So...wakey wakey! Time to face the painful reality.

The GOP sold us down the single payer healthcare river decades ago. They abdicated the issue totally.

Everything else is theater for rubes like you.

We will see single payer in our lifetimes. Thanks to GOP sellouts and the rubes who drink their piss.

Single payer isn't a bad thing, in fact, I'm pretty sure conservatives in other countries support it.

Single payer is a bad thing. It is a stupid thing. People in other countries have never known anything but single payer, so their support of it is not surprising.

Also, government healthcare sucks so much in those other countries that they buy supplemental private insurance! So where's the savings?

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy all our other insurance.

Unlike the other insurance industries, the biggest player in the health insurance industry is the government. And the government gets to write all the rules for its competitors.

How's that been working out?

The problem is not a lack of single payer. The problem is precisely the opposite. The problem is we have too much government in the insurance market. We should be able to buy insurance from any company we wish, not held hostage to whatever plan our employer offers. That's how we get leverage. By being able to take our business anywhere, just like we do with home, auto, and life insurance.

Instead, we are held hostage by our employer. We have ZERO leverage. It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition, which is no choice at all.

And a small employer has very, very little leverage with an insurance company. What's more, if one person in a small company racks up big medical bills, the insurance costs of everyone in that company skyrocket.

In turn, the insurance company is geographically limited by the US government (its main competitor), which limits its leverage and makes it hostage to the healthcare provider in that region.

I have much more leverage with my auto insurance company. They know if they don't give me the best deal out there, with the options I choose, I will hang up and go to one of their MANY competitors.

This is the comprehensive plan the GOP should be putting on the table. No more employer-sponsored health insurance, which is a huge upward bender of costs. A great stripping away of government participation in the marketplace. More freedom and more competition.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Worse, it has failed to put ANY plan on the table.

of course that's a very very stupid liberal lie:

No, it's a fact. The GOP has never put a comprehensive health care reform package on the table.

You know to tell that is a fact? Because the GOP controlled the White House, the Congress, and the Supreme Court all at the same time.

And what did they do during that time? They created a new trillion dollar government entitlement program, and didn't pay for it. To win senior votes in 2004.

So don't pretend they tried. Don't pretend the little tidbits of gristle they tossed on the table after they lost power matter. When it did matter, they did NOTHING.

The Democrats have telegraphed for DECADES what they would do if given the chance. Ted Kennedy made it his life's work.

And during all that time, health care costs were outpacing inflation.

And what did the GOP do when it controlled all three branches of government to get that under control?

Worse than nothing. They ADDED A TRILLION DOLLARS OF GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENTS.

So...wakey wakey! Time to face the painful reality.

The GOP sold us down the single payer healthcare river decades ago. They abdicated the issue totally.

Everything else is theater for rubes like you.

We will see single payer in our lifetimes. Thanks to GOP sellouts and the rubes who drink their piss.

Single payer isn't a bad thing, in fact, I'm pretty sure conservatives in other countries support it.

Single payer is a bad thing. It is a stupid thing. People in other countries have never known anything but single payer, so their support of it is not surprising.

Also, government healthcare sucks so much in those other countries that they buy supplemental private insurance! So where's the savings?

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy all our other insurance.

Unlike the other insurance industries, the biggest player in the health insurance industry is the government. And the government gets to write all the rules for its competitors.

How's that been working out?

The problem is not a lack of single payer. The problem is precisely the opposite. The problem is we have too much government in the insurance market. We should be able to buy insurance from any company we wish, not held hostage to whatever plan our employer offers. That's how we get leverage. By being able to take our business anywhere, just like we do with home, auto, and life insurance.

Instead, we are held hostage by our employer. We have ZERO leverage. It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition, which is no choice at all.

And a small employer has very, very little leverage with an insurance company. What's more, if one person in a small company racks up big medical bills, the insurance costs of everyone in that company skyrocket.

In turn, the insurance company is geographically limited by the US government (its main competitor), which limits its leverage and makes it hostage to the healthcare provider in that region.

I have much more leverage with my auto insurance company. They know if they don't give me the best deal out there, with the options I choose, I will hang up and go to one of their MANY competitors.

This is the comprehensive plan the GOP should be putting on the table. No more employer-sponsored health insurance, which is a huge upward bender of costs. A great stripping away of government participation in the marketplace. More freedom and more competition.

We disagree. There's a reason other countries don't want to follow our model.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Forbes has a good article about Sander's single payer healthcare proposal. It would increase federal spending by 28 TRILLION dollars. Sanders is a phucking moron and anyone supporting this economic illiterate is as well.

Bernie Sanders' Single-Payer Health Care Plan Would Increase Federal Spending By At Least $28 Trillion

28 trillion, huh?

My...you are interestingly stupid.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Worse, it has failed to put ANY plan on the table.

of course that's a very very stupid liberal lie:

No, it's a fact. The GOP has never put a comprehensive health care reform package on the table.

You know to tell that is a fact? Because the GOP controlled the White House, the Congress, and the Supreme Court all at the same time.

And what did they do during that time? They created a new trillion dollar government entitlement program, and didn't pay for it. To win senior votes in 2004.

So don't pretend they tried. Don't pretend the little tidbits of gristle they tossed on the table after they lost power matter. When it did matter, they did NOTHING.

The Democrats have telegraphed for DECADES what they would do if given the chance. Ted Kennedy made it his life's work.

And during all that time, health care costs were outpacing inflation.

And what did the GOP do when it controlled all three branches of government to get that under control?

Worse than nothing. They ADDED A TRILLION DOLLARS OF GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENTS.

So...wakey wakey! Time to face the painful reality.

The GOP sold us down the single payer healthcare river decades ago. They abdicated the issue totally.

Everything else is theater for rubes like you.

We will see single payer in our lifetimes. Thanks to GOP sellouts and the rubes who drink their piss.

Single payer isn't a bad thing, in fact, I'm pretty sure conservatives in other countries support it.

Single payer is a bad thing. It is a stupid thing. People in other countries have never known anything but single payer, so their support of it is not surprising.

Also, government healthcare sucks so much in those other countries that they buy supplemental private insurance! So where's the savings?

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy all our other insurance.

Unlike the other insurance industries, the biggest player in the health insurance industry is the government. And the government gets to write all the rules for its competitors.

How's that been working out?

The problem is not a lack of single payer. The problem is precisely the opposite. The problem is we have too much government in the insurance market. We should be able to buy insurance from any company we wish, not held hostage to whatever plan our employer offers. That's how we get leverage. By being able to take our business anywhere, just like we do with home, auto, and life insurance.

Instead, we are held hostage by our employer. We have ZERO leverage. It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition, which is no choice at all.

And a small employer has very, very little leverage with an insurance company. What's more, if one person in a small company racks up big medical bills, the insurance costs of everyone in that company skyrocket.

In turn, the insurance company is geographically limited by the US government (its main competitor), which limits its leverage and makes it hostage to the healthcare provider in that region.

I have much more leverage with my auto insurance company. They know if they don't give me the best deal out there, with the options I choose, I will hang up and go to one of their MANY competitors.

This is the comprehensive plan the GOP should be putting on the table. No more employer-sponsored health insurance, which is a huge upward bender of costs. A great stripping away of government participation in the marketplace. More freedom and more competition.

You are often on point....but not on this one. Single payer isn't popular in other countries because their citizens are retards who don't know better. It's popular because it effectively removes the profit motive from the equation. This makes it affordable and accessible.

And....hasn't the ACA essentially done what you suggest needs to be done? If employers don't provide competitive plans.....an employee can take his business elsewhere.

 

[basquebromance]

HEY DEMS IF YOU'RE FEELIN THE BERN GIMME A HELL YEAH!

 

[basquebromance]

SANDERS SLAMS HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON!

Sanders defends foreign policy record

 

[the_human_being]

Bernie Sanders is a huge supporter of the F.B.I.

 

[CultureCitizen]

We should be able to buy insurance from any company we wish, not held hostage to whatever plan our employer offers. That's how we get leverage. By being able to take our business anywhere, just like we do with home, auto, and life insurance.

I think the combination of pharma companies hospitals and insurance companies is not working.
Insurance companies pour money into healthcare and drive prices up, same happens with the government. With the insurance companies as intermediaries there is no "medical shopping" and hence no real competition between hospitals.


IMHO hospitals must be community owned. There are other solutions : Japan's system seems to work just ok: hospitals are strictly non profit and the owner must be a doctor, also citizens cover only 30% of the cost.

 

[CultureCitizen]

Anyone trying to compare Venezuela and the United States is a fool.

Anyone who wants to copy the Venezuelan economic model here in the U.S. is a fool.

There. Fixed it for you.

If I recall correctly his platform is akin to the Baltic countries model, and I like them.

 

[the_human_being]

Actually, the Democrat Party is in serious trouble. Bernie Sanders is a Socialist. America will never elect a Socialist. Bernie would bankrupt America. Hillary is about to be face charges and will be disqualified from ever holding another public office. The IG has reported that Hillary did indeed have emails even above Top Secret on her server. Hillary's political aspirations are over. Bernie will never be President of the United States. The Liberal world is on the very verge of total collapse.

Bill O'Reilly: The state of the Democrat Party

 

[the_human_being]

 

[CultureCitizen]

Actually, the Democrat Party is in serious trouble. Bernie Sanders is a Socialist. America will never elect a Socialist. Bernie would bankrupt America. Hillary is about to be face charges and will be disqualified from ever holding another public office. The IG has reported that Hillary did indeed have emails even above Top Secret on her server. Hillary's political aspirations are over. Bernie will never be President of the United States. The Liberal world is on the very verge of total collapse.

Bill O'Reilly: The state of the Democrat Party

Bill O'Reilly.Jajajaja , don't make me laugh. O'Reilly is not an authority on any topic I can think of. .

 

[WheelieAddict]

Sanders looks to have a sizable portion of the independent vote and all of the millennial vote. Of course the millennials have to actually show up at the polls.

I wouldn't casually ignore Sanders.