FoxNews gets it wrong on Obamacare tax penalty.

johnwk

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See: Dems to press administration for ObamaCare sign-up extension, as fines loom

”The official sign-up season for President Obama's health care law may be over, but leading congressional Democrats say millions of Americans facing new tax penalties deserve a second chance.”

What FoxNews fails to note is that Justice Roberts in his written opinion on Obamacare, emphasizes that “direct taxes” are still required to be apportioned. So, if the tax penalty takes the form of a direct tax, it must be apportioned among the States as mandated by our Constitution, e.g., “No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.”


Justice Roberts writes the following in his written opinion:

”A tax on going without health insurance does not fall within any recognized category of direct tax. It is not a capitation. Capitations are taxes paid by every person, "without regard to property, profession, or any other circumstance." Hylton, supra, at 175 (opinion of Chase, J.) (emphasis altered). The whole point of the shared responsibility payment is that it is triggered by specific circumstances—earning a certain amount of income but not obtaining health insurance. The payment is also plainly not a tax on the ownership of land or personal property. The shared responsibility payment is thus not a direct tax that must be apportioned among the several States.”

Having studied historical documentation during the time period our Constitution was adopted to identify the distinctions between direct and indirect taxation, one thing I am certain of. There is a consistency among the founders comments and tax legislation of the time that direct taxes are those assessed to the individual by government, while indirect taxes are costs added by government to things which individuals are free to acquired or reject. Hamilton's brief in the Hylton carriage case which Roberts quoted in the Obamacare case says: 'The following are presumed to be the only direct taxes: Capitation or poll taxes, taxes on lands and buildings, general assessments, whether on the whole property of individuals, or on their whole real or personal estate. All else must, of necessity, be considered as indirect taxes.'

Is the Obamacare tax/penalty not assessed directly upon the individual, as opposed to a cost added to things by government?

Simply saying that the Individual responsibility payment is not a direct tax within the meaning of our Constitution does not make it so. The characteristics of the tax must not be those considered to be a form of a direct tax as understood during the time period our Constitution was being framed and ratified. And to this end, the Obamacare tax is in fact laid directly upon the individual as opposed to a taxable subject matter within Congress’ delegated powers, and as such, it takes the form of a direct tax.
Perhaps FoxNews will take the time to do an investigative report as to whether or not the Shared Responsibility Payment would be considered to be a direct tax by our founders.

JWK



If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and with it one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property. POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895)
 
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Nobody knows what the hell is going on with that pos called, Oscamcare

remember they had to PASS it to see what was in it

so get real

Get behind have it REPEALED folks

I seriously doubt many people consult Fox news for filing their taxes
 
The only time penalties are assessed via the IRS is when taxes are underpaid or not paid at all.

When, in the past, has the IRS penalized you for NOT purchasing something? :dunno:
Are you kidding? The irs penalizes people for not purchasing all kinds of stuff
 
The only time penalties are assessed via the IRS is when taxes are underpaid or not paid at all.

When, in the past, has the IRS penalized you for NOT purchasing something? :dunno:
Are you kidding? The irs penalizes people for not purchasing all kinds of stuff
You mean like Twinkies and shit?
I mean like mortgages, retirement accounts, education funds, hybrid vehicles...

All kinds of stuff
 
Sorry bout that,


1. Obama is the head clown right now, how does he hold that tremendous ego weighted chin up these days??
2. Can't wait till he is gone!
3. Yes either way!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
Anyone who's actually read the circular reasoning and conflicting case citations use by Roberts know the SOB is insane.

If the income tax was considered a direct tax and required an Amendment to except it form the direct tax prohibition, then the maobamacare tax would require a similar Amendment because it is accessed after the requirements of the 16th Amendment are met. If your money isn't your property then nothing is and can be taxed at will by the feds. What's next, a tax triggered by your not buying an electric car or solar panels?
 
Anyone who's actually read the circular reasoning and conflicting case citations use by Roberts know the SOB is insane.

If the income tax was considered a direct tax and required an Amendment to except it form the direct tax prohibition, then the maobamacare tax would require a similar Amendment because it is accessed after the requirements of the 16th Amendment are met. If your money isn't your property then nothing is and can be taxed at will by the feds. What's next, a tax triggered by your not buying an electric car or solar panels?

Exactly! The bread which labor earns has always been considered "property"! SEE: Butchers’ Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1884)

"The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands; and to hinder him from employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property."

JWK


If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and with it one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property. POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895)
 
The only time penalties are assessed via the IRS is when taxes are underpaid or not paid at all.

When, in the past, has the IRS penalized you for NOT purchasing something? :dunno:
They penalize you for not buying a house. They penalize you for not having kids.
 
What's next, a tax triggered by your not buying an electric car or solar panels?
We already have that. You have to pay more taxes than someone who bought solar panels or an electric car.
 
What's next, a tax triggered by your not buying an electric car or solar panels?
We already have that. You have to pay more taxes than someone who bought solar panels or an electric car.

Wrong, those deductions are not computed outside the normal income tax structure, the maobamacare tax is. One is a deduction for entering into commerce, while the other is a tax for not entering into commerce, a first in US tax code and a violation of the direct tax prohibition.
 

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