Harmageddon said:By the way,
cannot people already be confiscated and shipped to Gitmo for what they are thinking? This seems just an extension of what is already in effect.
Do you actually believe this or is this a joke?
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Harmageddon said:By the way,
cannot people already be confiscated and shipped to Gitmo for what they are thinking? This seems just an extension of what is already in effect.
Have I sold you one of my Tinfoil Hats yet?StoptheMadness1 said:Let me just say this...
No one is safe when a government is given as much power as ours has. No one is safe when the president is openly discussing the repeal of the posse comitatus act.
Nice to have that second amendment now, aint it?No one is safe when a government is given as much power as ours has.
Got a link? I never heard that "openly" part.No one is safe when the president is openly discussing the repeal of the posse comitatus act.
Hummm..We are slow in the south ya know, this one aint made it here yet.And most of all, no one is safe when our freedom of speech is non-existent!
That I agree with!Meanwhile the "Conservative" president has proven himself not to be so conservative after all.
ThatsBush will be replaced with another puppet.
Feel better? When did the national ID bill pass? I don't have mine yet.StoptheMadness1 said:I know, i'm the one thats screwed up. I resist an anti-American hate speech bill, and want a bill of rights culture, i'm an extremist i know. I'm against all forms of racism, corruption, and opression, i'm bad though.
The "Christian conservative" George W. Bush, who layed in a coffin naked while sexually stimulating himself in his initiation rite to the order of the deaths head, also known as Skull and Bones, is set to veto a law regulating torture.
Screwed up?
Your Officials and world leaders openly engage in mock human sacrifices in front of a 40 foot tall stone owl at a compound in southern California called Bohemian grove. Dont believe it? look it up, there are thousands of pages of documentation.
Screwed up?
Our border is wide open, and nothing is being done other than regular citizens going down there to fight a literal war, the white house is swarming with pure corruption, America is sliding down into the pits of tyranny while your "Officials" who call you "Civilians" do nothing about it(often times cheering it on), but i'm screwed up.
Over half of Americans were against the national ID bill, but it passes anyway, you want the borders fixed, but your grievences are ignored, everyone i talk to is against this hate crimes bill, but it looks as if it will indeed pass.
Meanwhile the mainstream media tells you that everyone is cheering all of this on (or ignoring it), effectively smashing any doubts that you had surfacing in your conscience, that you are alone in your questioning.
Wake up from your slumber.
StoptheMadness1 said:Your national ID is your drivers license, it was much easier for the legislators to do it this way instead of trying to give you a new card, less resistance is encountered.
StoptheMadness1 said:Yes, federal standards that the states must follow, or else people within those states will effectively cease to exist to the government.
Eventually biometric technologies will be implimented into the cards, and it appears that things may go as far as implantable microchips. The precedent has been set.
Look up the "Real ID act"
StoptheMadness1 said:Yes, federal standards that the states must follow, or else people within those states will effectively cease to exist to the government.
Eventually biometric technologies will be implimented into the cards, and it appears that things may go as far as implantable microchips. The precedent has been set.
Look up the "Real ID act"
Road to digital drivers' licenses chaotic
Mon Oct 10, 2005
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has embarked on a massive effort to create a secure digital driver's license system by early 2008 but some experts warn that the plan may be hugely expensive and lead to chaos.
Congress passed the Real ID Act last May and gave states three years to implement it. It laid out minimum national standards for licenses, which will have to include a digital photo, anti-counterfeiting features and machine-readable technology.
States will have to verify all documents presented to support license applications, such as birth certificates, Social Security cards and utility bills, with the issuing agency, and will be required to link their license databases so they can all be accessed as a single network.
States will also be required to verify that a person applying for a license is in the country legally. They will have the option of issuing a separate credential to illegal aliens so that they will still be able to drive.
All but 11 states now require that drivers licenses be issued only to citizens or legal residents, but many do not verify applicants' identities.
"This law has the potential for huge bureaucratic and technical problems," said Cheye Calvo of the National Conference of State Legislatures.
"This law was written by people who didn't take the time to understand how these things are done and didn't even hold any congressional hearings," he said.
Some 227 million people hold drivers' licenses or identity cards given out by U.S. states, which issue or renew about 70 million each year. Around 14 percent of U.S. residents move annually, requiring address updates or new applications.
Supporters say the act was necessary because several of the hijackers who attacked New York and Washington on September 11, 2001, had obtained licenses fraudulently which they then used to board planes.
Beyond that, adherents say the driver's license, which has become the primary means of identification in the United States for travel and commerce, is fundamentally insecure and untrustworthy because of widespread identity theft.
"Today, anyone's identity can be easily compromised," said Bill Willis, a senior vice president of biometric company ImageWare Systems Inc. "Today's ability to ensure a single person has a single identity is broken."
SAME NAME
Another Real ID Act requirement is that a person's license and Social Security card must bear the same name, which must be the real name -- not a nickname or shortened version.
But when Alabama recently tried to implement this provision, it had to suspend the effort when thousands of people jammed state offices. Many were also angry when they discovered the state was charging them $18 to make the change.
Nobody yet knows how much the Real ID Act will cost to implement or how much money Congress will provide for it. The state of Washington, which has done the most thorough cost analysis, put the bill in that state alone at $97 million in the first two years and believes it will have to raise the price of a driver's license to $58 from $25.
On the other hand, a secure ID system could save millions in Medicare and Medicaid fraud and combat identity theft.
Right now, states are waiting for the Department of Homeland Security to issue regulations for implementing the law, which will include many details that the legislation itself left blank, including the type of biometric information that each card must include.
But the regulations are not expected to be finalized until next summer at the earliest, which will leave states with precious little time until the May 2008 implementation date.
"There is a concern that some states are not planning for the transformation and will find themselves having to move very hastily," said Brendan Peter, a senior director with Daon Inc., a Virginia-based biometric company.
Calvo of the National Conference of State Legislatures, wonders if the act can be implemented at all. "Whether states will be able to verify so many millions of documents at all, much less in a timely manner, is in question," he said.
Meanwhile, Hispanic groups, immigrant advocacy organizations, civil liberty and privacy groups still hope to derail the act, perhaps through litigation, or by creating a groundswell of opposition that will force Congress to modify or repeal part of the law.
"People are just now beginning to wake up and see what this act means. Every U.S. citizen is going to feel the impact very profoundly," said Michele Waslin of the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest grass-roots Hispanic organization.
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/new...63082_RTRIDST_0_TECH-SECURITY-IDENTITY-DC.XML
Originally posted by Kathianne:
Oh please do explain the arrests without actions...
Originally posted by theHawk:
Do you actually believe this or is this a joke?
mom4 said:while the blurb seems alarmist, I agree that this legislation is a bad piece of work. It will subvert free speech. Talk about invasion of privacy! How dare they try to outlaw what goes on inside someone's mind!