GAO rules Trump broke the law

Withholding aid for the purpose of benefiting the United State people is OK.
But Withholding aid for the president's own personal purposes is an abuse of power.
Ending corruption is beneficial for America and the American people...if politicians are landing impossible employment with impossible wages attached for their family members they must be giving something in return...and that is a textbook example of corruption....

You can’t even say what Hunter Biden did for Burisma that is so corrupt.
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....
 
Well, no. If there were any evidence Hunter Biden’s employment was contingent on Joe Biden doing something specific, that’d be a problem. The thing is, there’s zero evidence that happened.
Joe Biden told the former Ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor investigating the Ukrainian company Joe worked for or they wouldn't get their aid and he finished his story by saying Obama was on board when the Ukrainian president threatened to inform Obama...what do you call that?...
Uh, no. But if Biden needs to be investigated, the DoJ should be doing it. Not some politician. Keep politics out of justice.
I'm sure aspects of the Biden fiasco are being investigated...
"Joe Biden told the former Ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor investigating the Ukrainian company Joe worked for or they wouldn't get their aid"

Liar. Joe did not work for any company Shokin was investigating. And Shokin wasn't actively investigating any company Joe's son worked for either.
You are lying or majorly misinformed by a biased media....
:boohoo:
 
Well, no. If there were any evidence Hunter Biden’s employment was contingent on Joe Biden doing something specific, that’d be a problem. The thing is, there’s zero evidence that happened.
Joe Biden told the former Ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor investigating the Ukrainian company Joe worked for or they wouldn't get their aid and he finished his story by saying Obama was on board when the Ukrainian president threatened to inform Obama...what do you call that?...
Uh, no. But if Biden needs to be investigated, the DoJ should be doing it. Not some politician. Keep politics out of justice.
I'm sure aspects of the Biden fiasco are being investigated...
"Joe Biden told the former Ukrainian president to fire the prosecutor investigating the Ukrainian company Joe worked for or they wouldn't get their aid"

Liar. Joe did not work for any company Shokin was investigating. And Shokin wasn't actively investigating any company Joe's son worked for either.
You are the only one saying this....
Nope, I'm quoting the news.
 
Withholding aid for the purpose of benefiting the United State people is OK.
But Withholding aid for the president's own personal purposes is an abuse of power.
Ending corruption is beneficial for America and the American people...if politicians are landing impossible employment with impossible wages attached for their family members they must be giving something in return...and that is a textbook example of corruption....

You can’t even say what Hunter Biden did for Burisma that is so corrupt.
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
Liar, Burisma was not actively being investigated until after Shokin was kicked to the curb.
 
Nope, I'm quoting the news.
Quote away jackass....buuuuaaahahahahahaha!!!!
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The House produced many subpoenas. They were all ignored. They weren’t challenged. They were just thrown in the trash. But that has nothing to do with the trial. What’s fair about refusing the ability to call witnesses in the trial?

Don’t you think it’s in the country’s best interest to hear the truth before the election?

1. The House subpoenas weren't ignored, or trashed, they were contested in court, and the House withdrew them, since they were low on time, like for Kupperman.
House withdraws subpoena for White House official who asked court to decide if he should testify - CNNPolitics
2. The trial only needs to be fair to the accused. The House impeachment process was very unfair to Trump. It was a partisan Schitt show and you know it. So please don't try to whine for "fairness" in the senate. Mitch has the partisan advantage and knows how to use it.
3. The "truth" is that the impeachment was a partisan ploy by democrats to hurt Trump, and it will be dismissed quickly in the senate.
4. The election will decide things, Bloomburg just pledged $6.5b to beat Trump.

Michael Bloomberg presidential bid could cost $6.5 billion if he employs tactics from New York campaigns

The Trump administration contested zero subpoenas. They claimed no executive privilege. Dozens of subpoenas were thrown in the trash. Kupperman is the only person that challenged a subpoena and did so on his own accord. No other subpoenas were withdrawn.

A fair trial is not a fair trial if only one side gets honest treatment. McConnell is not conducting a fair trial. Imagine if a judge in a criminal trial refused to let the prosecution call witnesses and only let the defendant do so? Would you consider that fair?

I see no commitment to the truth here. Just an attempt to help Trump conceal his actions. It’s not going to be “dismantled”. That would imply that the allegations are proven false. It’s merely going to be white washed.
The proper punishment for ignoring a congressional subpoena is to hold the president in contempt...not impeach him....there is no high crime or misdemeanor in the articles...

What does holding the president in contempt even mean? Sounds completely toothless to me.
It is toothless but that is the proper course of action...for example Holder is still in contempt of congress...its toothless by design so the issue can be taken up by the people in the next election....like when Hillary lost and Trump won....

I disagree. There's no provision for holding the president in contempt of Congress. There is a constitutional provision for impeachment. We don't put corruption up for a vote.
 
Withholding aid for the purpose of benefiting the United State people is OK.
But Withholding aid for the president's own personal purposes is an abuse of power.
Ending corruption is beneficial for America and the American people...if politicians are landing impossible employment with impossible wages attached for their family members they must be giving something in return...and that is a textbook example of corruption....

You can’t even say what Hunter Biden did for Burisma that is so corrupt.
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....

Okay. And you have evidence of this trust where exactly?
 
1. The House subpoenas weren't ignored, or trashed, they were contested in court, and the House withdrew them, since they were low on time, like for Kupperman.
House withdraws subpoena for White House official who asked court to decide if he should testify - CNNPolitics
2. The trial only needs to be fair to the accused. The House impeachment process was very unfair to Trump. It was a partisan Schitt show and you know it. So please don't try to whine for "fairness" in the senate. Mitch has the partisan advantage and knows how to use it.
3. The "truth" is that the impeachment was a partisan ploy by democrats to hurt Trump, and it will be dismissed quickly in the senate.
4. The election will decide things, Bloomburg just pledged $6.5b to beat Trump.

Michael Bloomberg presidential bid could cost $6.5 billion if he employs tactics from New York campaigns

The Trump administration contested zero subpoenas. They claimed no executive privilege. Dozens of subpoenas were thrown in the trash. Kupperman is the only person that challenged a subpoena and did so on his own accord. No other subpoenas were withdrawn.

A fair trial is not a fair trial if only one side gets honest treatment. McConnell is not conducting a fair trial. Imagine if a judge in a criminal trial refused to let the prosecution call witnesses and only let the defendant do so? Would you consider that fair?

I see no commitment to the truth here. Just an attempt to help Trump conceal his actions. It’s not going to be “dismantled”. That would imply that the allegations are proven false. It’s merely going to be white washed.
The proper punishment for ignoring a congressional subpoena is to hold the president in contempt...not impeach him....there is no high crime or misdemeanor in the articles...

What does holding the president in contempt even mean? Sounds completely toothless to me.
It is toothless but that is the proper course of action...for example Holder is still in contempt of congress...its toothless by design so the issue can be taken up by the people in the next election....like when Hillary lost and Trump won....

I disagree. There's no provision for holding the president in contempt of Congress. There is a constitutional provision for impeachment. We don't put corruption up for a vote.
Congressional Democrats are fulminating in response. But the tools they have to compel the president to cooperate with their investigations are pretty limited. Here's what they can actually do:

1) Vote for contempt-of-Congress charges against Trump officials who ignore subpoenas. Criminal contempt charges can result in jail time. But the catch is that any such charge has to be referred to a U.S. Attorney for prosecution. And since U.S. Attorneys work for Trump's Justice Department, there's almost no chance that those charges will ever be prosecuted.

2) File suit against the administration in court, which could result in a court order requiring the administration to obey the subpoena. But that process is a long and drawn-out one, and there's no guarantee, in the end, that the administration would even follow the court order.

3) Take the direct route, and order the sergeant-at-arms to arrest recalcitrant Trump officials. This sounds bizarre, but the Supreme Court has held that Congress has the authority to use its own police to enforce its dictates. The problem is that the last time Congress did this was back in 1935, and trying to arrest someone like the Secretary of the Treasury would leave the Democrats in completely uncharted waters.
Here's What Congress Can Do When a President Ignores a Subpoena
 
Ending corruption is beneficial for America and the American people...if politicians are landing impossible employment with impossible wages attached for their family members they must be giving something in return...and that is a textbook example of corruption....

You can’t even say what Hunter Biden did for Burisma that is so corrupt.
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....

Okay. And you have evidence of this trust where exactly?
They all have a family trust...isn't that scary?...
 
Ending corruption is beneficial for America and the American people...if politicians are landing impossible employment with impossible wages attached for their family members they must be giving something in return...and that is a textbook example of corruption....

You can’t even say what Hunter Biden did for Burisma that is so corrupt.
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....

Okay. And you have evidence of this trust where exactly?

Absolutely, Schiff is holding on to it....dumbass.
 
You can’t even say what Hunter Biden did for Burisma that is so corrupt.
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....

Okay. And you have evidence of this trust where exactly?
They all have a family trust...isn't that scary?...

So you made it up?
 
You can’t even say what Hunter Biden did for Burisma that is so corrupt.
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....

Okay. And you have evidence of this trust where exactly?
They all have a family trust...isn't that scary?...
Do they all have charities that they steal from get caught and have to pay big fines ??? Like your AH in the WH ??
 
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....

Okay. And you have evidence of this trust where exactly?
They all have a family trust...isn't that scary?...
Do they all have charities that they steal from get caught and have to pay big fines ??? Like your AH in the WH ??

Newspaper: Five Members Of Joe Biden's Family Have Become Curiously Wealthy Through His Connections
 
Burisma was under investigation....and Hunter worked for them....and Hunter's dad forced an end to that investigation....and come on man...we are talking about a guy that left a crack pipe in a rental car and got booted from the military for cocaine use and has a illegitimate kid he wants nothing to do with....and knows nothing about what the company does....really nice choice of a guy to pay millions of dollars to....
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....

Okay. And you have evidence of this trust where exactly?
They all have a family trust...isn't that scary?...

So you made it up?

Newspaper: Five Members Of Joe Biden's Family Have Become Curiously Wealthy Through His Connections
 
So are you accusing Hunter Biden of taking money to get Shokin fired? Is that the accusation?
No....Hunter took the job for the money that he placed in the family trust that all of the Biden's lived off of....that is what Pelosi does and probably most of them including republicans...do you know how many family of the elected work for major airlines?....no wonder air travel sucks so bad....

Okay. And you have evidence of this trust where exactly?
They all have a family trust...isn't that scary?...
Do they all have charities that they steal from get caught and have to pay big fines ??? Like your AH in the WH ??

Newspaper: Five Members Of Joe Biden's Family Have Become Curiously Wealthy Through His Connections
Be sure to let us know when any of them made their money illegally.
 
The GAO found that the administration broke the Impoundment Control Act — a 1974 law that provides a mechanism for the executive branch to request that Congress reconsider a funding decision that’s been signed into law.

“This bombshell legal opinion from the independent Government Accountability Office demonstrates, without a doubt, that the Trump administration illegally withheld security assistance from Ukraine” said Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), who requested GAO write the report in December.


The GAO report was widely expected to stay away from the specific House impeachment charges. House lawmakers impeached Trump on two counts, abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Lawmakers alleged that the president abused the power of his office in withholding the money as leverage to pressure Zelensky into publicly announcing investigations that would undermine a political rival, and then obstructed the investigation into those actions.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...0ea7aa-37a3-11ea-9c01-d674772db96b_story.html
It also found Obama did, where's you're outrage over that?

I think the point is Trumpkins can quit saying there was no legal violation. When arguing a technicality, it's important to be technically correct.

What does the real or imagined outrage of a poster have to do with it?
 

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