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Tag Archive for "Liberty Ridge Farm" - Art Leonard Observations
The telephone conversation took place in September 2013, with Jennifer listening in on the conversation. Melissa and Gifford discussed renting the Gifford Barn at Liberty Ridge Farm (LRF) to hold a wedding between June and August 2013, and Gifford invited Melissa to visit to check out the facilities. When Melisa then referred to her fiancé as “she,” the tone of the conversation changed.
They wanted to have their wedding ceremony in the barn.
The barn.
The very same barn advertised for weddings. The very same barn they have multiple wedding photos for on their web site.
Got it now?
And we know that people never lie to make their case better, especially if they are lesbians, right?
If they asked for the barn why is it that the actual court decision was based on access to the house?
Just to make it clear: This was not a "private home", or "occasionally rented out for weddings".
It's a full-time business.
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Just to be clear, your link mentions barn weddings and tent weddings, not weddings in the private house, which is what the couple says they were denied.
No, the couple says they were denied the right to have the ceremony there at all.
The only mention of it being in a "house" was made by the woman to justify why she denied them.
And we al know that lesbians never lie.
The article clearly stated that they were only denied access to the house. They were actually offered the opportunity to have the reception on the grounds, but they preferred to complain because they did not get exactly what they wanted, just like everyone else that thinks the government exist to force their opinions on other people. their feelings were hurt.
Civil rights are civil rights....are you sure you are a citizen of this country?First, Jim Crow laws predated bus service.
Hmmm...it didn't predate coaches and trains did it?
I am looking for the history paper that points out that segregation in transportation wasn't universal in the south until democrats passed Jim Crow laws...
Race and sexual orientation are not analogous. Until you libs stop that false comparison, you will get nowhere with this.
Are you talking about the website that repeatedly mentions barn and tent weddings, but never once mentions an indoor venue like the house?
You really should pay attention to details before you try to declare yourself the victor in an argument that you barely comprehend.
Irony!
The Giffords live in the barn. The same barn they advertise for indoor weddings.
You really should pay attention to details before you try to declare yourself the victor in an argument that you barely comprehend.
They live in the barn?
Why the fuck would they do that when their is a house on the property?
Just to make it clear: This was not a "private home", or "occasionally rented out for weddings".
It's a full-time business.
Here's the website: Fall fun on the farm! | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield MazeSaratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze
Just to be clear, your link mentions barn weddings and tent weddings, not weddings in the private house, which is what the couple says they were denied.
You really should go back and read the link in the OP again. The couple said nothing of the sort.
This is what the owner said:
When Jennifer McCarthy and Melisa Erwin asked the Giffords to use the facility for a 2012 wedding, Mrs. Gifford, a Christian, said she could only host their reception on the farm, but not the wedding. Weddings typically are conducted on the first floor of the Giffords’ home, and Mrs. Gifford argued the lesbian wedding would “literally hit too close to home,” RNS reported.
The owner is the one claiming that ceremonies are "typically" conducted on the first floor of their home (which their website seems to contradict).
Does that change the fact that you were wrong when you said that the website advertised the house as a wedding venue?
Didn't think so.
“The fact that the Giffords also reside at Gifford Barn,” the decision says, “does not render it private.”
Just to make it clear: This was not a "private home", or "occasionally rented out for weddings".
It's a full-time business.
Here's the website: Fall fun on the farm! | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield MazeSaratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze
Just to be clear, your link mentions barn weddings and tent weddings, not weddings in the private house, which is what the couple says they were denied.
No, the couple says they were denied the right to have the ceremony there at all.
The only mention of it being in a "house" was made by the woman to justify why she denied them.
And we al know that lesbians never lie.
The article clearly stated that they were only denied access to the house. They were actually offered the opportunity to have the reception on the grounds, but they preferred to complain because they did not get exactly what they wanted, just like everyone else that thinks the government exist to force their opinions on other people. their feelings were hurt.
No, "the article" doesn't state that at all. Perhaps you should re-read it.
The article states that the owners of the farm refused to host the ceremony entirely. The "house" was only mentioned by the owner as an excuse for why they said no.
Just to make it clear: This was not a "private home", or "occasionally rented out for weddings".
It's a full-time business.
Here's the website: Fall fun on the farm! | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield MazeSaratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze
Just to be clear, your link mentions barn weddings and tent weddings, not weddings in the private house, which is what the couple says they were denied.
No, the couple says they were denied the right to have the ceremony there at all.
The only mention of it being in a "house" was made by the woman to justify why she denied them.
And we al know that lesbians never lie.
The article clearly stated that they were only denied access to the house. They were actually offered the opportunity to have the reception on the grounds, but they preferred to complain because they did not get exactly what they wanted, just like everyone else that thinks the government exist to force their opinions on other people. their feelings were hurt.
No, "the article" doesn't state that at all. Perhaps you should re-read it.
The article states that the owners of the farm refused to host the ceremony entirely. The "house" was only mentioned by the owner as an excuse for why they said no.
Do we live in a free country or not? This is about a contract between two individuals, not PA.
I don;t disagree that the laws exists, what I state is they are wrong.
Well, you're welcome to think the laws are wrong. But they're not going to change.
And eventually all you assholes will be dead, and shit like this will be looked back on the same way we look at "colored" drinking fountains now.
There is a big difference between separate water fountains and forcing someone to host an event they find morally objectionable. The fact you use that comparison is comical.
Just to make it clear: This was not a "private home", or "occasionally rented out for weddings".
It's a full-time business.
Here's the website: Fall fun on the farm! | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield MazeSaratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze
Just to be clear, your link mentions barn weddings and tent weddings, not weddings in the private house, which is what the couple says they were denied.
No, the couple says they were denied the right to have the ceremony there at all.
The only mention of it being in a "house" was made by the woman to justify why she denied them.
And we al know that lesbians never lie.
The article clearly stated that they were only denied access to the house. They were actually offered the opportunity to have the reception on the grounds, but they preferred to complain because they did not get exactly what they wanted, just like everyone else that thinks the government exist to force their opinions on other people. their feelings were hurt.
No, "the article" doesn't state that at all. Perhaps you should re-read it.
The article states that the owners of the farm refused to host the ceremony entirely. The "house" was only mentioned by the owner as an excuse for why they said no.
Do we live in a free country or not? This is about a contract between two individuals, not PA.
No, it's not.
This is about a contract between a public wedding venue and a couple wanting their advertised services, and being denied due to their sexual orientation.
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I don;t disagree that the laws exists, what I state is they are wrong.
Well, you're welcome to think the laws are wrong. But they're not going to change.
And eventually all you assholes will be dead, and shit like this will be looked back on the same way we look at "colored" drinking fountains now.
There is a big difference between separate water fountains and forcing someone to host an event they find morally objectionable. The fact you use that comparison is comical.
No, there really isn't. Not from where I'm sitting.
You know the arguments in support of Jim Crow laws sounded a whole lot like what you're saying here, right?
Civil rights are civil rights....are you sure you are a citizen of this country?First, Jim Crow laws predated bus service.
Hmmm...it didn't predate coaches and trains did it?
I am looking for the history paper that points out that segregation in transportation wasn't universal in the south until democrats passed Jim Crow laws...
Race and sexual orientation are not analogous. Until you libs stop that false comparison, you will get nowhere with this.
marriage is not a civil right. Forcing a supplier of a good or service to contract with you is not a civil right.
PA laws do not apply to two party contracts.
From the
I don;t disagree that the laws exists, what I state is they are wrong.
Well, you're welcome to think the laws are wrong. But they're not going to change.
And eventually all you assholes will be dead, and shit like this will be looked back on the same way we look at "colored" drinking fountains now.
There is a big difference between separate water fountains and forcing someone to host an event they find morally objectionable. The fact you use that comparison is comical.
No, there really isn't. Not from where I'm sitting.
You know the arguments in support of Jim Crow laws sounded a whole lot like what you're saying here, right?
you are simply wrong on this. let it play out in court and then you can apologize for your ignorance.
From the
I don;t disagree that the laws exists, what I state is they are wrong.
Well, you're welcome to think the laws are wrong. But they're not going to change.
And eventually all you assholes will be dead, and shit like this will be looked back on the same way we look at "colored" drinking fountains now.
There is a big difference between separate water fountains and forcing someone to host an event they find morally objectionable. The fact you use that comparison is comical.
No, there really isn't. Not from where I'm sitting.
You know the arguments in support of Jim Crow laws sounded a whole lot like what you're saying here, right?
you are simply wrong on this. let it play out in court and then you can apologize for your ignorance.
Civil rights are civil rights....are you sure you are a citizen of this country?First, Jim Crow laws predated bus service.
Hmmm...it didn't predate coaches and trains did it?
I am looking for the history paper that points out that segregation in transportation wasn't universal in the south until democrats passed Jim Crow laws...
Race and sexual orientation are not analogous. Until you libs stop that false comparison, you will get nowhere with this.
marriage is not a civil right. Forcing a supplier of a good or service to contract with you is not a civil right.
PA laws do not apply to two party contracts.
Civil marriage is....and has been declared so by several federal court decisions.....and by the Equal Protection under the Law clause in the 14th Amendment.
And if you disagree that a business should follow a state's laws on businesses.....you should work to either change those laws by repeal or even by getting them declared "unConstitutional" if you truely believe they go against the Constitution.
Its their property. So they should be forced to hold a klan rally as well?So what? It's against the law in NY to discriminate against someone for their sexual orientation.
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I don;t disagree that the laws exists, what I state is they are wrong.
Well, you're welcome to think the laws are wrong. But they're not going to change.
And eventually all you assholes will be dead, and shit like this will be looked back on the same way we look at "colored" drinking fountains now.
There is a big difference between separate water fountains and forcing someone to host an event they find morally objectionable. The fact you use that comparison is comical.
No, there really isn't. Not from where I'm sitting.
You know the arguments in support of Jim Crow laws sounded a whole lot like what you're saying here, right?
you are simply wrong on this. let it play out in court and then you can apologize for your ignorance.
You know that it already did play out in court, and the farm lost?
That's the whole point of this thread.
Our problem is our courts are creating limits out of nothing, and ignoring other limits at the same time.
