Disir
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It always tickles me when a woman supposedly "hates" men...only the men who are the most hateful both in speech and their boyish antics are the ones that feel most betrayed.
Perhaps men who feel that women "hate" them should examine their own values.
Unfortunately in some cases they are correct. Some women feel being a feminist means hating men. I'm sure some men give them plenty of reasons to do so. But it's nearly impossible to start a dialog when you assume that the other person hates you before a single word is spoken. It tends to shade what they say one way or another in your mind.
I had wanted to comment yesterday but I didn't have a lot of time.
First, I don't speak for all feminists because they sure as hell don't speak for me. If you were to conduct a personal survey of women that were actively protesting during the women's movement of the seventies, you would come up with very few. There is a reason for that. You are looking at a predominantly upper middle class white women in universities. The rest of the women were working. Kind of like how they did before and during the fifties.
Feminism is divided. It's divided by class, race and culture. Only we can't have these conversations because (what I call) the elite squad has center stage. Always. They never shut up. Many of them have arranged their lives so that they don't have to participate in life in the same manner as the rest of their gender. In fact, many of them come from a place of wealth so that participation is optional---meaning they can retreat any time at all and suffer no real consequences. Maybe they volunteer a little time. So, then this group decides they are going to educate the rest of the society because they are more superior via their class/status. Most often, they don't bother to do any research into actual issues. Great. A group of women that have nil life experience, little to any research and gets to frame the arguments and then doesn't actually have to defend them because participation is optional. When they do, it becomes petty and superficial and then they expect the rest of us to defend their position when they opt out.
Men have never been excluded. We have fathers, brothers and sons. The most tragic element of my son growing up is watching him become the enemy simply because he is male. It is heart wrenching.
I want to thank you for the great post. I think you hit the nail on the head in most cases except one.
Feminism is divided by class, race, and culture. What conversation do think "we" need to have (I consider myself a feminist)? The divisions are pretty well known and accepted.
You didn't name names of who you think this "elite squad" is. I would like to know. If they are professors at some university or some columnist at a paper...you don't think they worked their ass off to get there? I do. First in college and then at the university or paper.
While it's true they worked their ass off, you're right, the hardest real decision alot of the well-to-do face is what wine to pair with their salmon in the evening. If you're trying to figure out if Sprite or Coke is better with your McRib...does that make your opinion any more valid? I suppose it will over real-life financial issues and how to afford day care when you make near minimum wage but there are certainly other issues than that.
So again, thanks for the post. I would want to know, however, who you think these "elite squads" are. Their biographies may surprise you...perhaps not.
Thanks. My issue is not with Profs. It's with columnists.
When the white middle class feminism of the sixties and seventies was exported overseas it was rejected. For the same reasons that it was and continues to be rejected by many feminists today: Minimization (simplification) of race, culture and class.
Here:
genderealisations 1 2002
Different cultures may have different priorities. For example, my culture may place education as the number one. This culture places family above all else and then education. It influences how we view time. One culture may stress complete independence and one culture is interdependent. It influences how we meet the needs (resolve issues) in a diverse community.
And the decisions that are made are not as simplistic as what to drink with a McDonald's meal.
I like Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It absolutely lays out the types of decisions that are the focus according to one's socioeconomic status. If your physiological needs are not being met then that is where your mind is at.
Any particular columnists?
Yep.