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Most gun violence is committed with guns that are not legally owned by the shooter in the crimes. 100 percent of current and proposed gun laws only effect lawful gun owners.
Every illegal gun started it's life as a legal gun.
You can always count on Incel Joe to take the side of subhuman criminal pieces of shit, against that of actual human beings. Always.
YOu can always count on Mormon Bob to remind us he's a racist, but he can't help it, he belongs to a racist cult.
What is a sensible gun law in your opinion?
Thorough Background checks
Waiting periods
Strict liability for gun sellers.
if your side would put everyone in prison for five years just for being caught with a gun illegally the death rate would plummet
Ah, let's look at that. The United States makes guns easy to get, and throws 2 million people in prison now.
We have the highest homicide rates in the industrialized world.
Other industrialized countries make gun difficult or impossible to get, and throw very few people in jail. As a result, they have very little homicide.
If guns and jails were the solution, we'd be there by now.
It' s like the wild west you either kill or be killed..It's a free country dammit.Then just what is your final solution to stop people from shooting each other?The truth is the truth. No one needs apologize for suchThat’s funny.And your opinion that murderers follow gun laws is also sane
For a kookoo, kookoo that is
If you can't buy a gun, you can't be a murderer.
The rest of the industrialized world has figured this out... they don't allow gun sales, they don't have anywhere near our homicide rates.
When you take away blacks in the city, we have one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.View attachment 434322
Whoa!
Some decades back (the 1980s or 1990s?), a fairly prominent American politician (who is still alive, so I shan't mention his name) was very incautious when he just nonchalantly said on a radio (?) show that if this country did not have a population of certain folks, we would have one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
Well, the next day he groveled and asked forgiveness. Because it was still the twentieth century when he said it, there were -- to the best of knowledge -- no serious consequences to his radio career. But quite possibly he was quietly blacklisted for any government position.
Stop trying to control folks behavior. If someone wants to shoot me, or they want to shoot you? THAT IS THEIR RIGHT.
They'll just have to suffer the consequences later. . .
As does every car, Airplane, machete, knife, bag of nails, and bag of fertilizer. All have been used in mass killings.
But those things aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.
Background checks don't stop criminals from getting guns, you have been shown this over and over again. You and the other anti-gun extremists only want universal background checks so you can require universal gun registration...which you need when you get the power to confiscate guns....as every other country that banned guns did....they first registered guns, then the confiscated them...Britain, Australia, Germany, New Zealand, France, Turkey, Russia...........we know how you operate.If guns and jails were the solution, we'd be there by now.
Criminals don't have waiting periods.....and waiting periods do not stop crimes or suicides with guns.
We already have liability for gun sellers who knowingly sell defective products or knowingly sell guns to criminals...what you want is the ability to destroy gun makers, gun stores and gun owners through legal warfare....knowing that they did not use the guns to commit crimes.
A cousin of mine left Atlanta close to 20 years ago because the tough-enders were taking over her suburb. She always had interesting things to talk about though--a lot of very cool stuff in Atlanta. The Botanical Gardens, the restaurants, concerts, and a lot of smart, interesting professionals.The 7 year old girl being shot is a tragedy. I feel for the family.
And if that is a reason people don't move here, I am fine with that. Traffic is bad enough now. We are full.
However, I enjoy living in Atlanta for a number of reasons. I'll stay.
Just a boring place.It' s like the wild west you either kill or be killed..It's a free country dammit.Then just what is your final solution to stop people from shooting each other?The truth is the truth. No one needs apologize for suchThat’s funny.And your opinion that murderers follow gun laws is also sane
For a kookoo, kookoo that is
If you can't buy a gun, you can't be a murderer.
The rest of the industrialized world has figured this out... they don't allow gun sales, they don't have anywhere near our homicide rates.
When you take away blacks in the city, we have one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.View attachment 434322
Whoa!
Some decades back (the 1980s or 1990s?), a fairly prominent American politician (who is still alive, so I shan't mention his name) was very incautious when he just nonchalantly said on a radio (?) show that if this country did not have a population of certain folks, we would have one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
Well, the next day he groveled and asked forgiveness. Because it was still the twentieth century when he said it, there were -- to the best of knowledge -- no serious consequences to his radio career. But quite possibly he was quietly blacklisted for any government position.
Stop trying to control folks behavior. If someone wants to shoot me, or they want to shoot you? THAT IS THEIR RIGHT.
They'll just have to suffer the consequences later. . .
The Wild West wasn't wild...everyone had guns so they had to be polite to each other.
A cousin of mine left Atlanta close to 20 years ago because the tough-enders were taking over her suburb. She always had interesting things to talk about though--a lot of very cool stuff in Atlanta. The Botanical Gardens, the restaurants, concerts, and a lot of smart, interesting professionals.The 7 year old girl being shot is a tragedy. I feel for the family.
And if that is a reason people don't move here, I am fine with that. Traffic is bad enough now. We are full.
However, I enjoy living in Atlanta for a number of reasons. I'll stay.
Background checks don't stop criminals from getting guns, you have been shown this over and over again. You and the other anti-gun extremists only want universal background checks so you can require universal gun registration...which you need when you get the power to confiscate guns....as every other country that banned guns did....they first registered guns, then the confiscated them...Britain, Australia, Germany, New Zealand, France, Turkey, Russia...........we know how you operate.If guns and jails were the solution, we'd be there by now.
Criminals don't have waiting periods.....and waiting periods do not stop crimes or suicides with guns.
We already have liability for gun sellers who knowingly sell defective products or knowingly sell guns to criminals...what you want is the ability to destroy gun makers, gun stores and gun owners through legal warfare....knowing that they did not use the guns to commit crimes.
Incel Joe is openly on the side of subhuman criminal filth, and against that for actual human beings. He doesn't even try very hard to hide it.
He's not going to care about any arguments that actually address the causes of crime, and how to reduce it, because that is not what he wants. He's not even going to acknowledge the validity of any such arguments.
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You’ve got that right. He has been utterly annihilated in this thread. If he has any sense he will just duck out and try and out this in the rear view. If he does respond he will either ignore the rock solid points made here, or try to address them in some asinine way that makes him look even more foolish.
I’m embarrassed for him already.
What exactly does “strict liability of hun sellers” mean?
Why would someone selling an item legally be responsible for its misuse?
And it seems you like to keep comparing us to other nations in regards to crime. Since you like to look outward and compare stats, why don’t you look inward at our own statistics. It’s one group in this country responsible for a huge percentage of “hun crime”. Why won’t you acknowledge that? And why should everyone have their rights infringed due to one groups inability to control themselves?
Nothing to do with race. Subhuman pieces of shit, such as you and those whose side you openly take, come in all races, as do actual human beings.
The distinction has nothing to do with the color of anyone's skin, but the choices that one makes.
The right to keep and bear arms is clearly laid out in the Constitution, and any laws that violate this rights are acts of lawlessness and corruption.
If he's to be believed, he's about my age, (late fifties) and has never been married. You have to know, just on that basis, that there's something wrong with him, even before you hear his misogynistic sour-grapes excuses for having never married.
Background checks don't stop criminals from getting guns, you have been shown this over and over again.
And as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate went down 49%.....you can't explain that with what you believe.
You have been told over and over again, we catch gun criminals, then the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians let them back out......
What exactly does “strict liability of hun sellers” mean?
Why would someone selling an item legally be responsible for its misuse?
Yes, that's exactly what it means.
You see, every time we have a mass shooting, we find out two things.
1) Everyone in that person's life knew he was a nut.
2) It was still incredibly easy for him to get a gun.
So here's a crazy idea... instead of letting the gun industry make a killing off of killing, let the victims of gun violence have their day in court. Obviously, if you sold a gun to a responsible owner and someone stole his gun, you won't be held liable. On the other hand, if you sold a gun to a guy who crossed three state lines, and bought 25 guns, which ended up in the hands of street gangs in another state... um, yeah, you were irresponsible and someone needs to take a piece out of your ass.
And it seems you like to keep comparing us to other nations in regards to crime. Since you like to look outward and compare stats, why don’t you look inward at our own statistics. It’s one group in this country responsible for a huge percentage of “hun crime”. Why won’t you acknowledge that? And why should everyone have their rights infringed due to one groups inability to control themselves?
Ah, Guns don't kill people, darkies do.
That chart is bullshit... Half the homicides are committed by white people in this country. Most people are killed by people they know. It's not the "Criminal" you have to worry about so much as the neighbor or family member who let an argument get out of hand and a gun was involved. You are far more likely to be killed by someone you know than a stranger.
When I say “illegal gun” I mean that the person is holding the gun illegallyEvery illegal gun started it's life as a legal gun.
So you want to punish honest and non criminsl gun owners instead of the felons who are committing the gun violenceThorough Background checks
Waiting periods
Strict liability for gun sellers.
Again, we aren't going to pass sensible gun laws, so we've all decided this is something we can live with.
You are halfway there but not far enough in my opinionBut your basic principle is sound. Rather than put anyone in prison for exercising their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, how about putting anyone in prison who commits any crime which involves intentionally causing serious injury or death to another, or threatening to do so, without just cause? I'd be totally on board with that. In fact, if the crime involves the use of deadly force, without any just cause, then I think five years is way too light.
Again, we aren't going to pass sensible gun laws, so we've all decided this is something we can live with.
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