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So this is all a test case by the SAF as I surmised. Luddly's post with the State regulation wasn't up when I was preparing my own.You stupid motherfuckers and your knee jerk reactionary responses to bullshit propaganda. The Judge followed the LAW. If the LAW is wrong, change the LAW. But instead of obtaining basic facts, you reactionary fucks have the rope in the tree ready to hang the judge for an issue of which you are totally ignorant. All this is about LAWSUIT filed on MONDAY, July 17th you USEFUL IDIOTS! Perhaps the LAW in Michigan pertaining to foster care requirements are out of line or perhaps not. But how many of your dummies know what the Hell they are?
You can start edifying yourselves by reading the US District Court filing at the link below filed by SAF case with three plaintiffs including that retired Marine. Then you might look up the LAW in Michigan and the other 49 States as it applies to this case which the SAF appears to be us using as a test case for the NRA's agenda! But for the Love of God, get informed before you go off half-cocked on your Second Amendment fetishes.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
Yep- they prefer bullshit propaganda.
Is the law unconstitutional? How?
There is no constitutional right to be a foster parent. Certainly I commend these grandparents for stepping up and working to protect their grandkids- but they are obligated to follow the law like everyone else.
Since being a foster parent is not a right- it is a choice- the 2A rights of the grandparents are not being violated.
The handguns have to be registered- the guns have to be safely and legally stored.
If you don't like the law- well change the law- I believe Michigan has a Republican dominated legislature. Should have no problem putting the interest of gun owners ahead of the safety of foster kids.
You stupid motherfuckers and your knee jerk reactionary responses to bullshit propaganda. The Judge followed the LAW. If the LAW is wrong, change the LAW. But instead of obtaining basic facts, you reactionary fucks have the rope in the tree ready to hang the judge for an issue of which you are totally ignorant. All this is about LAWSUIT filed on MONDAY, July 17th you USEFUL IDIOTS! Perhaps the LAW in Michigan pertaining to foster care requirements are out of line or perhaps not. But how many of your dummies know what the Hell they are?
You can start edifying yourselves by reading the US District Court filing at the link below filed by SAF case with three plaintiffs including that retired Marine. Then you might look up the LAW in Michigan and the other 49 States as it applies to this case which the SAF appears to be us using as a test case for the NRA's agenda! But for the Love of God, get informed before you go off half-cocked on your Second Amendment fetishes.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
So this is all a test case by the SAF as I surmised. Luddly's post with the State regulation wasn't up when I was preparing my own.You stupid motherfuckers and your knee jerk reactionary responses to bullshit propaganda. The Judge followed the LAW. If the LAW is wrong, change the LAW. But instead of obtaining basic facts, you reactionary fucks have the rope in the tree ready to hang the judge for an issue of which you are totally ignorant. All this is about LAWSUIT filed on MONDAY, July 17th you USEFUL IDIOTS! Perhaps the LAW in Michigan pertaining to foster care requirements are out of line or perhaps not. But how many of your dummies know what the Hell they are?
You can start edifying yourselves by reading the US District Court filing at the link below filed by SAF case with three plaintiffs including that retired Marine. Then you might look up the LAW in Michigan and the other 49 States as it applies to this case which the SAF appears to be us using as a test case for the NRA's agenda! But for the Love of God, get informed before you go off half-cocked on your Second Amendment fetishes.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
Yep- they prefer bullshit propaganda.
Is the law unconstitutional? How?
There is no constitutional right to be a foster parent. Certainly I commend these grandparents for stepping up and working to protect their grandkids- but they are obligated to follow the law like everyone else.
Since being a foster parent is not a right- it is a choice- the 2A rights of the grandparents are not being violated.
The handguns have to be registered- the guns have to be safely and legally stored.
If you don't like the law- well change the law- I believe Michigan has a Republican dominated legislature. Should have no problem putting the interest of gun owners ahead of the safety of foster kids.
I just can't understand why the phallicly challenged wankers with their 'weaponized' wet dreams have to set their hair on fire knowing jack shit squaw-douche and make themselves look the twin of the village IDIOT!
You stupid motherfuckers and your knee jerk reactionary responses to bullshit propaganda. The Judge followed the LAW. If the LAW is wrong, change the LAW. But instead of obtaining basic facts, you reactionary fucks have the rope in the tree ready to hang the judge for an issue of which you are totally ignorant. All this is about LAWSUIT filed on MONDAY, July 17th you USEFUL IDIOTS! Perhaps the LAW in Michigan pertaining to foster care requirements are out of line or perhaps not. But how many of your dummies know what the Hell they are?
You can start edifying yourselves by reading the US District Court filing at the link below filed by SAF case with three plaintiffs including that retired Marine. Then you might look up the LAW in Michigan and the other 49 States as it applies to this case which the SAF appears to be us using as a test case for the NRA's agenda! But for the Love of God, get informed before you go off half-cocked on your Second Amendment fetishes.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
This needs to be shut down immediately......a man with a concealed carry permit, a gun owner was told if he didn't register his guns then the state would keep custody of his grandson....
Judge Tells Marine to Choose Between 2A Rights And Fostering Grandson
The Johnsons were going to take custody of their grandson to keep him from going into foster care. When they went to pick up their grandson, William, a retired, disabled Marine with a Concealed Pistol License (CPL), was searched for a firearm. He was not carrying a firearm at the time. At that point, agency officials told the Johnsons that they would be required to provide all firearms’ serial numbers to the agency as part of a registry. When Johnson questioned agency workers, he was given a surprising response.
“If you want to care for your grandson you will have to give up some of your constitutional rights,” a MDHHS worker retorted.
When the Johnsons appeared before a Gogebic County Court judge, the judge reiterated the agency worker’s statement.
“We know we are violating numerous constitutional rights here, but if you do not comply, we will remove the boy from your home,” the judge said.
According to Alan Gottlieb, the Founder and Executive Vice President of the Second Amendment Foundation, the statements from agency workers and judges were outrageous.
“This amounts to coercion, with a child as their bartering chip. I cannot recall ever hearing anything so offensive and egregious, and we’ve handled cases like this in the past. Blatantly telling someone they must give up their civil rights in order to care for their own grandchild is simply beyond the pale,” Gottlieb said in a statement. “This is a case we simply must pursue,” Gottlieb said. “State agencies and the people who work in those agencies simply cannot be allowed to disregard someone’s civil rights.”
The lawsuit alleges MDHHS’ policy violates foster parents’ right to self-defense inside and outside of the home, which is protected under the Second Amendment.
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the judge should be impeached and removed from the bench......this is insane........
Why would this grandfather object to keeping guns safely away from his grand child, proving they're registered? If he were my child, I would demand the same as the state of Michigan. Why don't all states have these same requirements? For that matter, why isn't it federal law?
Oh yeah, because it would save the lives of thousands of children.
But, I can't imagine that the welfare of a child will be held paramount. The one thing we know about RWNJs is that once a fetus becomes a child, their welfare doesn't matter.
westwall
Try this:
Michigan DHHS Foster
Care
Rules s
tates:
R 400.9415 Hazardous materials. Rule 415. (1) A foster
parent shall follow the agency’s hazardous materials policy.
(2) Dangerous and hazardous mater
ials, objects, weapons,
chemicals, medication, or equipment that may present a risk
to children placed in the foster home shall be stored securely
and out of the reach of children, as appropriate for the age
and
functioning
level
of
the
children.
(3) Firea
rms are subject to the following conditions: (a)
Stored in a locked metal or solid wood gun safe or (b) Trigger
-
locked and stored without ammunition in a locked area. (c)
Ammunition shall be stored in a separate locked location. (d)
A handgun shall be registered. Documentation of the
registration of the handgun shall be available for review.
History: Eff. January 1, 2001, Am. Eff. January 5, 2015."
In case anyone is interested -
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
You stupid motherfuckers and your knee jerk reactionary responses to bullshit propaganda. The Judge followed the LAW. If the LAW is wrong, change the LAW. But instead of obtaining basic facts, you reactionary fucks have the rope in the tree ready to hang the judge for an issue of which you are totally ignorant. All this is about LAWSUIT filed on MONDAY, July 17th you USEFUL IDIOTS! Perhaps the LAW in Michigan pertaining to foster care requirements are out of line or perhaps not. But how many of your dummies know what the Hell they are?
You can start edifying yourselves by reading the US District Court filing at the link below filed by SAF case with three plaintiffs including that retired Marine. Then you might look up the LAW in Michigan and the other 49 States as it applies to this case which the SAF appears to be us using as a test case for the NRA's agenda! But for the Love of God, get informed before you go off half-cocked on your Second Amendment fetishes.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
The judge should have refused to follow the law as being unconstitutional. That is their job.
You stupid motherfuckers and your knee jerk reactionary responses to bullshit propaganda. The Judge followed the LAW. If the LAW is wrong, change the LAW. But instead of obtaining basic facts, you reactionary fucks have the rope in the tree ready to hang the judge for an issue of which you are totally ignorant. All this is about LAWSUIT filed on MONDAY, July 17th you USEFUL IDIOTS! Perhaps the LAW in Michigan pertaining to foster care requirements are out of line or perhaps not. But how many of your dummies know what the Hell they are?
You can start edifying yourselves by reading the US District Court filing at the link below filed by SAF case with three plaintiffs including that retired Marine. Then you might look up the LAW in Michigan and the other 49 States as it applies to this case which the SAF appears to be us using as a test case for the NRA's agenda! But for the Love of God, get informed before you go off half-cocked on your Second Amendment fetishes.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
The judge should have refused to follow the law as being unconstitutional. That is their job.
You RWNJs always call that "legislating from the bench" or "activist judge".
Oh wait - that's only when you don't like the decision.
No, it is not their job to "refuse to follow the law". Where do you fools get this stuff?
You stupid motherfuckers and your knee jerk reactionary responses to bullshit propaganda. The Judge followed the LAW. If the LAW is wrong, change the LAW. But instead of obtaining basic facts, you reactionary fucks have the rope in the tree ready to hang the judge for an issue of which you are totally ignorant. All this is about LAWSUIT filed on MONDAY, July 17th you USEFUL IDIOTS! Perhaps the LAW in Michigan pertaining to foster care requirements are out of line or perhaps not. But how many of your dummies know what the Hell they are?
You can start edifying yourselves by reading the US District Court filing at the link below filed by SAF case with three plaintiffs including that retired Marine. Then you might look up the LAW in Michigan and the other 49 States as it applies to this case which the SAF appears to be us using as a test case for the NRA's agenda! But for the Love of God, get informed before you go off half-cocked on your Second Amendment fetishes.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
The judge should have refused to follow the law as being unconstitutional. That is their job.
You stupid motherfuckers and your knee jerk reactionary responses to bullshit propaganda. The Judge followed the LAW. If the LAW is wrong, change the LAW. But instead of obtaining basic facts, you reactionary fucks have the rope in the tree ready to hang the judge for an issue of which you are totally ignorant. All this is about LAWSUIT filed on MONDAY, July 17th you USEFUL IDIOTS! Perhaps the LAW in Michigan pertaining to foster care requirements are out of line or perhaps not. But how many of your dummies know what the Hell they are?
You can start edifying yourselves by reading the US District Court filing at the link below filed by SAF case with three plaintiffs including that retired Marine. Then you might look up the LAW in Michigan and the other 49 States as it applies to this case which the SAF appears to be us using as a test case for the NRA's agenda! But for the Love of God, get informed before you go off half-cocked on your Second Amendment fetishes.
http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
The judge should have refused to follow the law as being unconstitutional. That is their job.
You RWNJs always call that "legislating from the bench" or "activist judge".
Oh wait - that's only when you don't like the decision.
No, it is not their job to "refuse to follow the law". Where do you fools get this stuff?
No...upholding the Constitution is what a judge is supposed to do.....legislating from the bench is what left wingers do to violate Constitutional Protections.
Why would this grandfather object to keeping guns safely away from his grand child, proving they're registered? If he were my child, I would demand the same as the state of Michigan. Why don't all states have these same requirements? For that matter, why isn't it federal law?
Oh yeah, because it would save the lives of thousands of children.
But, I can't imagine that the welfare of a child will be held paramount. The one thing we know about RWNJs is that once a fetus becomes a child, their welfare doesn't matter.
westwall
Try this:
Michigan DHHS Foster
Care
Rules s
tates:
R 400.9415 Hazardous materials. Rule 415. (1) A foster
parent shall follow the agency’s hazardous materials policy.
(2) Dangerous and hazardous mater
ials, objects, weapons,
chemicals, medication, or equipment that may present a risk
to children placed in the foster home shall be stored securely
and out of the reach of children, as appropriate for the age
and
functioning
level
of
the
children.
(3) Firea
rms are subject to the following conditions: (a)
Stored in a locked metal or solid wood gun safe or (b) Trigger
-
locked and stored without ammunition in a locked area. (c)
Ammunition shall be stored in a separate locked location. (d)
A handgun shall be registered. Documentation of the
registration of the handgun shall be available for review.
History: Eff. January 1, 2001, Am. Eff. January 5, 2015."
In case anyone is interested -
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/MICHIGAN-1-Complaint.pdf
HANDGUN. Not LONG GUN, They want him to register his rifles. No law applies so they are clearly violating his civil rights.
