Global Cooling Chills Summer

[jreeves]

But those cycles suggest we should be well into a new Ice age by now. So this 100 year warming trend flies in the face of the natural cycle of the last 400,000+ years.

Hmm...so you were alive the entire 400,000 + years? Just wondering since you know what the natural cycle has been for that time frame.

Well then by that same MORONIC "logic" you were alive millions of years ago!!!

Really I got a link to show the age as being several millions of years old...
The Age of the Earth
The generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence.

Unfortunately, the age cannot be computed directly from material that is solely from the Earth. There is evidence that energy from the Earth's accumulation caused the surface to be molten. Further, the processes of erosion and crustal recycling have apparently destroyed all of the earliest surface.

The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia.

While these values do not compute an age for the Earth, they do establish a lower limit (the Earth must be at least as old as any formation on it). This lower limit is at least concordant with the independently derived figure of 4.55 billion years for the Earth's actual age.


Got a link for your assumption?

 

[edthecynic]

The earth will warm and cool of its own accord.

Warmers are sooooo arrogant regarding their own importance to climate! Laughable!

YouTube - George Carlin The Planet Is Fine

The best liar is he who makes the smallest amount of lying go the longest way.
Samuel Butler

CON$ are sooooo predictable. No matter what the topic they use the same techniques of deception. One of their favorites is tell just enough and then shut up. The bit is considerably longer than 1 minute. The whole bit is The Planet Is Fine, THE PEOPLE ARE FUCKED! The gist of the bit is the planet will survive any abuse from us, but WE won't.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw]YouTube - George Carlin - Saving the Planet[/ame]

 

[edthecynic]

Hmm...so you were alive the entire 400,000 + years? Just wondering since you know what the natural cycle has been for that time frame.

Well then by that same MORONIC "logic" you were alive millions of years ago!!!

Really I got a link to show the age as being several millions of years old...
The Age of the Earth
The generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence.

Unfortunately, the age cannot be computed directly from material that is solely from the Earth. There is evidence that energy from the Earth's accumulation caused the surface to be molten. Further, the processes of erosion and crustal recycling have apparently destroyed all of the earliest surface.

The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia.

While these values do not compute an age for the Earth, they do establish a lower limit (the Earth must be at least as old as any formation on it). This lower limit is at least concordant with the independently derived figure of 4.55 billion years for the Earth's actual age.


Got a link for your assumption?

Of course, but you knew that before you made your stupid post. How else would you have known the Earth cooled and warmed in the past!!!
Ice core data have shown that the interglacial warm periods have been 10,000 years or less but this warm period is already 12,000 years long. So the next Ice Age, which probably should have begun with the "Little Ice Age" is clearly overdue according to the natural cycle of the last 400,000+ years.

SEED - Temperature Change History

 

[sparky]

well one can pick/choose from a variety of naturally occuring cycles..........


Info on the earths magnetic reversal and/or fading....

From Nova
If all the compasses in the world started pointing south rather than north, many people might think something very strange, very unusual, and possibly very dangerous was going on. Doomsayers would have a field day proclaiming the end is nigh, while more rational persons might head straight to scientists for an explanation.
Fortunately, those scientists in the know—paleomagnetists, to be exact—would have a ready answer. Such reversals in the Earth's magnetic field, they'd tell you, are, roughly speaking, as common as ice ages. That is, they're terrifically infrequent by human standards, but in geologic terms they happen all the time. As the time line at right shows, hundreds of times in our planet's history the polarity of the magnetic shield ensheathing the globe has gone from "normal," our current orientation to the north, to "reversed," and back again.
The Earth is not alone in this fickleness: The sun's magnetic shield appears to reverse its polarity approximately every 11 years. Even our Milky Way galaxy is magnetized, and experts say it probably reverses its polarity as well. Moreover, while a severe weakening or disappearance of the magnetic field would lay us open to harmful radiation from the sun, there's little evidence to date that "flips" per se inflict any lasting damage (see Impact on Animals).
It might sound as if scientists have all the answers regarding magnetic reversals. But actually they know very little about them. Basic questions haunt researchers: What physical processes within the Earth trigger reversals? Why do the durations and frequencies of both normal and reversed states seem random? Why is there such a disproportionately long normal period between about 121 and 83 million years ago? Why does the reversal rate, at least during the past 160 million years, appear to peak around 12 million years ago?
All these questions remain unanswered, though experts like Dennis Kent, the Rutgers University geologist who supplied NOVA with updated figures for the time line, are hard at work trying to answer them. In the meantime, not to worry. Reversals happen on average only about once every 250,000 years, and they take hundreds if not thousands of years to complete.
Even the weakening currently under way may be a false alarm. The field often gets very weak, then bounces back, never having flipped. As Ron Merrill, a magnetic-field specialist at the University of Washington remarked when asked whether we're in for a reversal: "Ask me in 10,000 years, I'll give you a better answer." So hang on to your compass. For the foreseeable future, it should work as advertised

Magnetic reversals from Nova (interactive computer based flick there)





Magneticosphere - Earth's Magnetic Field
The earth's magnetic field strength was measured by Carl Friedrich Gauss in 1835 and has been repeatedly measured since then, showing an exponential decay with a half-life of about 1400 years. This could also be stated as a relative decay of about 10% to 15% over the last 150 years.




Earth's Magnetic Field Is Fading
Without our planet's magnetic field, Earth would be subjected to more cosmic radiation. The increase could knock out power grids, scramble the communications systems on spacecraft, temporarily widen atmospheric ozone holes, and generate more aurora activity.
A number of Earth's creatures, including some birds, turtles, and bees, rely on Earth's magnetic field to navigate. The field is in constant flux, scientists say. But even without it, life on Earth will continue, researchers say.
According to Earth's geologic record, our planet's magnetic field flips, on average, about once every 200,000 years. The time between reversals varies widely, however. The last time Earth's magnetic field flipped was about 780,000 years ago.



info on the Mayan calendar....

THE HOW AND WHY OF THE MAYAN END DATE IN 2012 A.D.
How: Long Count and Seasonal Quarters
Long Count katun beginnings will conjunct sequential seasonal quarters every 1.7.0.0.0 days (194400 days). This is an easily tracked Long Count interval. Starting with the katun beginning of 650 B.C.:
Long Count Which Quarter? Year
6.5.0.0.0 Fall 650 B.C.
7.12.0.0.0 Winter 118 B.C.
8.19.0.0.0 Spring 416 A.D.
10.6.0.0.0 Summer 948 A.D.
11.13.0.0.0 Fall 1480 A.D.
13.0.0.0.0 Winter 2012 A.D.
Note that the last date is not only a katun beginning, but a baktun beginning as well. It is, indeed, the end date of 2012.6
The Long Count may have been officially inaugurated on a specific date in 355 B.C., as Edmonson suggests, but it must have been formulated, tried, tested, and proven before this date. This may well have taken centuries, and the process no doubt paralleled (and was perhaps instigated by) the discovery of precession. The Long Count system automatically accounts for precession in its ability to calculate future seasonal quarters - a property which shouldn't be underestimated.
Summary
This has been my attempt to fill a vacuum in Mayan Studies, an answer to the why and how of the end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count. The solution requires a shift in how we think about the astronomy of the Long Count end date. The strange fact that it occurs on a winter solstice immediately points us to possible astronomical reasons, but they are not obvious. We also shouldn't forget the often mentioned fact that the 13-baktun cycle of some 5125 years is roughly 1/5th of a precessional cycle. This in itself should have been suggestive of a deeper mystery very early on. Only with the recent identification of the astronomical nature of the Sacred Tree has the puzzle revealed its fullness. And once again we are amazed at the sophistication and vision of the ancient New World astronomers, the decendants of whom still count the days and watch the skies in the remote outbacks of Guatemala.
This essay is not contrived upon sketchy evidence. It basically rests upon two facts:
1) the well known end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count, which is December 21st, 2012 A.D. and
2) the astronomical situation on that day. Based upon these two facts alone, the creators of the Long Count knew about and calculated the rate of precession over 2300 years ago. I can conceive of no other conclusion. To explain this away as "coincidence" would only obscure the issue.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeE-3BBqG58&mode=related&search=]U tube Mayan Calendar[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6wI3Pbolbw&mode=related&search=]2012 Mayan Prophecy from the Hx channel[/ame]
note the 26,000 yr alingment of the sun with the galaxy's core with the earth's presesonal cycle, and onto yet another positional oddity associated with the same date...
Jupiter's Dance correlates sunspots with gravitational influences, noting the Mayan date;
So what then is happening between the Sun and Jupiter to create the sunspots; a combined tidal effect, a focussing of magnetic fields on the Sun with the inner planet acting as a lens at the time of each synchronised pass of Jupiter and Earth, a shadow effect allowing the Sun's energies to rise to the surface. Let's look at the sky of December 21st 2012, mmmm. Jupiter, Earth, Sun in a line, Saturn, Venus, Sun in a line and Neptune, Mars, Sun in a line, auspicious wouldn't you say. It couldn't be they're all beaming their energy at our Sun simultaneously as a prelude to a mega rash of sunspots which in turn lead to...uulp!

info on an axial flip or pole shift.....
Pole shift theory
Recent work by scientists and geologists Adam Maloof of Princeton University and Galen Halverson of Paul Sabatier University in Toulouse, France, indicates that Earth indeed rebalanced itself around 800 million years ago during the Precambrian time period.[10] They tested this idea by studying magnetic minerals in sedimentary rocks in a Norwegian archipelago. Using these minerals, Maloof and Halverson found that the north pole shifted more than 50 degrees — about the current distance between Alaska and the equator — in less than 20 million years. This reasoning is supported by a record of changes in sea level and ocean chemistry in the Norwegian sediments that could be explained by true polar wander, the team reports in the September–October 2006 issue of the Geological Society of America Bulletin.[11]


Charles Hapgood
In 1958 Hapgood published his first book, The Earth's Shifting Crust. The Foreword to this was written by Albert Einstein, shortly before his death in 1955. In this book, and two successive books, Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings (1966) and The Path of the Pole (1970), Hapgood proposed the radical theory that the Earth's axis has shifted numerous times during geological history. This theory is not widely accepted by orthodox geologists.
Hapgood's Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings used numerous archival maps, including the Piri Reis Map, which he claims show a vast southern continent roughly similar to Antarctica in shape, to propose that a 15 degree pole shift occurred around 9,600 B.C. (aprox. 11.600 years ago), and that a part of the Antarctic was ice-free at that time. By implication an ice-age civilization could have mapped the coast at that point in time.


When North Becomes South: New Clues to Earth's Magnetic Flip-Flops
In the past 15 million years, there have been four reversals every 1 million years, or about one shift each 250,000 years, Clement explained. The last one, however, was 790,000 years ago. That might suggest we're overdue for a big change. Not necessarily so, Clement says. The flips are not periodic, meaning they don't adhere to a schedule of even intervals.
Yet the intensity of the magnetic field has been dropping for the last 2,000 years, and "it has dropped significantly" during the past two decades, Clement said. One recent study shows the decline in strength amounts to 10 percent over the last 150 years.




Pole Shifts
A pole shift theory is a hypothesis based on geologic evidence that the physical north and south poles of Earth have not always been at their present-day locations; in other words, the axis of rotation had been "shifted". Pole shift theory is almost always discussed in the context of Earth, but other solar system bodies may have experienced axial reorientation during their existences.
Theory of Crystal Displacement - Hapgood
One early popular proponent of a pole shift theory was Charles Hapgood in his books The Earth's Shifting Crust (1958) (which includes a foreword by Albert Einstein) and Path of the Pole (1970). Hapgood speculated that the ice mass at one or both poles over-accumulates which destabilizes the Earth's rotational balance, causing slippage of all or much of earth's outer crust around the earth's core, which retains its axial orientation. This happens either slowly (conservative version) or quickly (radical version). The results of the shift occurring every 12,000 to 20,000 years or so results in dramatic climate changes for most of the earth's surface as areas that were formally equatorial become temperate, and areas that were temperate become either more equatorial or more arctic.
Other theories which are not dependent upon polar ice masses include:
A high-velocity asteroid or comet which hits Earth at such an angle that the lithosphere moves independent of the mantle
An unusually magnetic celestial object which passes close enough to Earth to temporarily reorient the magnetic field, which then "drags" the lithosphere about a new axis of rotation. Eventually, the sun's magnetic field again determines the Earth's, after the intruding celestial object "returns" to a location it cannot influence Earth.

Theory of Crustal Displacement
The theory of Crustal Displacement states that the entire crust of the Earth can shift in one piece like the lose skin on an orange.
By studying the carcasses of the woolly mammoth and rhino found in the northern regions of Siberia and Canada one can see the land these animals gazed on was suddenly shoved into a much colder climate. Their stomachs reveal food found in warm climates where they grazed just prior to their deaths. This was found frozen along with them suddenly.
Thousands of animals were found to be frozen in a brief moment of geological time. Ancient maps of Antarctica suggests that it too was 'frozen over' in a brief moment in time.
It has been suggested that approximately 12,000 years ago there was a displacement of the Earth's crust. The entire outer shell of the earth moved approximately 2,000 miles. When the Earth's crust shifted all of Antarctica was encapsulated by the polar zone. At the same time North American was released from the Arctic Circle and became temperate.
This is based on the theory of Continental Drift - the continents of the earth have been slowly drifting apart over millions of years. This is possible because the outer crust of the Earth floats upon a semi-liquid layer.



Info the scientific community has on planetary cycles, orbital forcing & ice ages...
Milankovitch cycles
Milankovitch cycles are the collective effect of changes in the Earth's movements upon its climate, named after Serbian civil engineer and mathematician Milutin Milanković. The eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbit vary in several patterns, resulting in 100,000 year ice age cycles of the Quaternary glaciation over the last few million years. The Earth's axis completes one full cycle of precession approximately every 26,000 years. At the same time, the elliptical orbit rotates, more slowly, leading to a 21,000 year cycle between the seasons and the orbit. In addition, the angle between Earth's rotational axis and the normal to the plane of its orbit changes from 21.5 degrees to 24.5 degrees and back again on a 41,000 year cycle. Currently, this angle is 23.44 degrees.
Orbital forcing
Orbital forcing describes the effect on climate of slow changes in the tilt of the Earth's axis and shape of the orbit (see Milankovitch cycles). These orbital changes change the total amount of sunlight reaching the Earth by up to 25% at mid-latitudes (from 400 to 500 Wm-2 at latitudes of 60 degrees). In this context, the term "forcing" signifies a physical process that affects the Earth's climate.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K6CxpmyHIo]U-tube Animation showing the three Milankovitch Cycles[/ame]

 

[KittenKoder]

Zero major hurricanes this year ... they predicted an increase (those stupid environut peer pressured scientists) and we have had zero. They dropped their prediction from 11 to 4, we are having a cold wave here now, it's 60 in the beginning of August for the first week ... Global Warming is bullshit with moving goal posts.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

BAM! Check out all those cold temps!

Cold June in Manhattan well below normal.

Among coldest Junes in Pheonix since 1913.

LA came in at 5 degrees below normal.

Boston almost 5 degrees below normal.

New Zealand climate center releases headline - Temperatures: Lowest ever for May in many areas, colder than normal for all.

Two South African vagrants froze to death.

Chicago had the COLDEST July 8th since 1891.

Yonkers received a snow storm - in JULY.

In Melbourne Australia, temps have been 10 degrees BELOW normal.


Global Cooling Chills Summer 2009 by Deroy Murdock on National Review Online

By the way, the earth's temperature has dropped .74 degrees since Al Gore released an Inconvenient Truth in 2006...

The sun isn't as active and hasn't been over the last few years thats why the earth is cooler now than it was then. Well thats a big part of it but not all of it.

Yes I just said it...the globe is cooler not because of man but because of the sun, which means when its warmer....yup same logic.

 

[KittenKoder]

BAM! Check out all those cold temps!

Cold June in Manhattan well below normal.

Among coldest Junes in Pheonix since 1913.

LA came in at 5 degrees below normal.

Boston almost 5 degrees below normal.

New Zealand climate center releases headline - Temperatures: Lowest ever for May in many areas, colder than normal for all.

Two South African vagrants froze to death.

Chicago had the COLDEST July 8th since 1891.

Yonkers received a snow storm - in JULY.

In Melbourne Australia, temps have been 10 degrees BELOW normal.


Global Cooling Chills Summer 2009 by Deroy Murdock on National Review Online

By the way, the earth's temperature has dropped .74 degrees since Al Gore released an Inconvenient Truth in 2006...

The sun isn't as active and hasn't been over the last few years thats why the earth is cooler now than it was then. Well thats a big part of it but not all of it.

Yes I just said it...the globe is cooler not because of man but because of the sun, which means when its warmer....yup same logic.

WTF are you babbling about?

 

[sparky]

KittenKodder scratches out a reply.....

Global Warming is bullshit with moving goal posts.

and is this your assessment of my offerings into the debate as well KK...?

 

[keee keee]

Stratagy change it is now global cooling that is going to kill us we need to raise your taxes to save us all!!!!

 

[sparky]

well would you expect anything less than a capitalist response keee keee?

 

[Old Rocks]

Zero major hurricanes this year ... they predicted an increase (those stupid environut peer pressured scientists) and we have had zero. They dropped their prediction from 11 to 4, we are having a cold wave here now, it's 60 in the beginning of August for the first week ... Global Warming is bullshit with moving goal posts.

Ah, sweet little kitty, it was Gray, a skeptic of warming, that made the predictions of hurricanes. Doesn't make him any less wrong, so far. But the season does not end until November, and the oceans are very warm.

 

[Old Rocks]

BAM! Check out all those cold temps!

Cold June in Manhattan well below normal.

Among coldest Junes in Pheonix since 1913.

LA came in at 5 degrees below normal.

Boston almost 5 degrees below normal.

New Zealand climate center releases headline - Temperatures: Lowest ever for May in many areas, colder than normal for all.

Two South African vagrants froze to death.

Chicago had the COLDEST July 8th since 1891.

Yonkers received a snow storm - in JULY.

In Melbourne Australia, temps have been 10 degrees BELOW normal.


Global Cooling Chills Summer 2009 by Deroy Murdock on National Review Online

By the way, the earth's temperature has dropped .74 degrees since Al Gore released an Inconvenient Truth in 2006...

The sun isn't as active and hasn't been over the last few years thats why the earth is cooler now than it was then. Well thats a big part of it but not all of it.

Yes I just said it...the globe is cooler not because of man but because of the sun, which means when its warmer....yup same logic.

The "cooling" is well within the natural variation. And the "cooling" is a rather strange cooling as nearly every year in that "cooling" has been in the top ten recorded. Now that we have an El Nino on the way, watch what happens to next year. Probably warmer than 1998 and 2005. 2008 tied with 2001 for the eighth warmest on record. With that in mind;


Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All Been In Last 13 Years

Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All Been In Last 13 Years
ScienceDaily (Dec. 13, 2007) — The decade of 1998-2007 is the warmest on record, according to data sources obtained by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). The global mean surface temperature for 2007 is currently estimated at 0.41°C/0.74°F above the 1961-1990 annual average of 14.00°C/57.20°F.

 

[KittenKoder]

KittenKodder scratches out a reply.....

Global Warming is bullshit with moving goal posts.

and is this your assessment of my offerings into the debate as well KK...?

The simple fact that not one of my points have been addressed by the GW hoax supporters, yes. Until my points are actually countered instead of avoided like hot coals by idiots who buy into it, you are just ... idiots.

Global Warming is bullshit. Keep moving the goal posts though, more of us are seeing through the scam.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

WTF are you babbling about?

I dunno now that i'm reading it. WTF it was very hot working on cars today, i'm blaming heatstroke

 

[KittenKoder]

What purpose does the glacial ice serve?

Why is plant growth too low to absorb CO2?

How is .01% (the total sum of change, less than half of that total due to humans) atmospheric content change going to effect the global climate so drastically?

Why isn't Seattle underwater yet? (by combining the "slide" toward the Sound with the estimated water level increase predicted from 20 years ago the waterfront should be submerged completely)

I have asked many more, yet not one of you morons has addressed them, all you do is post more irrelevant data that you can't prove is accurate.

 

[KittenKoder]

WTF are you babbling about?

I dunno now that i'm reading it. WTF it was very hot working on cars today, i'm blaming heatstroke

I didn't think you meant to put those words together, it just didn't make any sense to me.

 

[sparky]

KittenKoder yowls...][quote=sparky;1397342]KittenKodder scratches out a reply.....

Global Warming is bullshit with moving goal posts.

and is this your assessment of my offerings into the debate as well KK...?[/QUOTE]

The simple fact that not one of my points have been addressed by the GW hoax supporters, yes. Until my points are actually countered instead of avoided like hot coals by idiots who buy into it, you are just ... idiots.

Global Warming is bullshit. Keep moving the goal posts though, more of us are seeing through the scam.

[/QUOTE]

my purpose in posting it was to portray a number of natural cycles , some of which are scientifically proven, some of which are not

this is very much in step with the current GW debate btw

what you can count on is something occuring sometime along the way, just ask any paleo indian......

you can also count on it being jerked around by politics, as well as prostituted by the market

so, inasmuch as you may choose to sit about ignoring it all as a joke, it would seem the joke is on you

(enter the alleged photshopped goodies via evil libs.....)

one needs to understand the kaos theory of weather patterns vs, the misnomer of global WARMING.....the implications are apparent, not manufactured or contrived.....

we may ignore it, but it quite likely will not ignore us.....

 

[KittenKoder]

Sparky, what purpose does the ice serve in nature?

 

[elvis]

Sparky, what purpose does the ice serve in nature?

To add variety to Chris and Roxy's sex life together.

 

[jreeves]

Well then by that same MORONIC "logic" you were alive millions of years ago!!!

Really I got a link to show the age as being several millions of years old...
The Age of the Earth
The generally accepted age for the Earth and the rest of the solar system is about 4.55 billion years (plus or minus about 1%). This value is derived from several different lines of evidence.

Unfortunately, the age cannot be computed directly from material that is solely from the Earth. There is evidence that energy from the Earth's accumulation caused the surface to be molten. Further, the processes of erosion and crustal recycling have apparently destroyed all of the earliest surface.

The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia.

While these values do not compute an age for the Earth, they do establish a lower limit (the Earth must be at least as old as any formation on it). This lower limit is at least concordant with the independently derived figure of 4.55 billion years for the Earth's actual age.


Got a link for your assumption?

Of course, but you knew that before you made your stupid post. How else would you have known the Earth cooled and warmed in the past!!!
Ice core data have shown that the interglacial warm periods have been 10,000 years or less but this warm period is already 12,000 years long. So the next Ice Age, which probably should have begun with the "Little Ice Age" is clearly overdue according to the natural cycle of the last 400,000+ years.

SEED - Temperature Change History

Notice on your graph, how temperatures fluctuated up and down over the last 400k or so years? Isn't it funny how consistent the peaks and valleys are all throughout that time, even the current time. Wow, that would be just a tad contradictory to the whole notion of AGW.