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[depotoo]

You've not once commented on this-

Obama Gives Political Ambassadors Their Pink Slips

By Glenn Kessler
The incoming Obama administration has notified all politically-appointed ambassadors that they must vacate their posts as of Jan. 20, the day President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office, a State Department official said.
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Obama did the same.

This blog explains it best...and reasonably explores it. What makes the Trump team's "pink slipping" so much more callous is the up front "no exceptions" statement.

Foreign Service Tradition: Political Ambassadors Have To Be Out By January 20

 

[Coyote]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

Maybe.

Just maybe.

Ok ok ok....they absolutely did.

And I even included bold big colored font for emphasis




(I can see I got egg on my face with this one)

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obama did the same-
44 - Obama Gives Political Ambassadors Their Pink Slips

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

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They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Did Obama refuse to provide any grace periods for families with children in school for example?

Umm,. they are PARENTS...Their kids are THEIR responsibility.
Your point?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

Maybe.

Just maybe.

Ok ok ok....they absolutely did.

And I even included bold big colored font for emphasis




(I can see I got egg on my face with this one)

"(I can see I got egg on my face with this one)"

As long as it's not poached, that would be an extremely unbecoming situation

 

[Coyote]

You've not once commented on this-

Obama Gives Political Ambassadors Their Pink Slips

By Glenn Kessler
The incoming Obama administration has notified all politically-appointed ambassadors that they must vacate their posts as of Jan. 20, the day President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office, a State Department official said.
-----------
Obama did the same.

This blog explains it best...and reasonably explores it. What makes the Trump team's "pink slipping" so much more callous is the up front "no exceptions" statement.

Foreign Service Tradition: Political Ambassadors Have To Be Out By January 20

And?

You and a dozen others posted this, and a respond. Do you need a personal response?

Here goes.

Dear Depotoo,

After a careful review of your post, I've concluded that, indeed, the Trump administration is acting no differently than preceding administrations in regard to this issue.

Sincerely,

Coyote

 

[defcon4]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

Maybe.

Just maybe.

Ok ok ok....they absolutely did.

And I even included bold big colored font for emphasis




(I can see I got egg on my face with this one)

Nah.....

 

[Tilly]

Looks like a good idea to drain that particular swamp, pronto!

Some of Obama’s ambassadors have been highly problematic, even leaving aside the question of how many zeroes were on the check they wrote to obtain their posts. The Washington Post reported on the parade of diplomatic horrors in February 2014:

The nominee for ambassador to Norway, for example, prompted outrage in Oslo by characterizing one of the nation’s ruling parties as extremist. A soap- opera producer slated for Hungary appeared to have little knowledge of the country she would be living in. A prominent Obama bundler nominated to be ambassador to Argentina acknowledged that he had never set foot in the country and isn’t fluent in Spanish.

Even former senator Max Baucus (D-Mont.), the new U.S. ambassador in Beijing, managed to raise eyebrows during his confirmation hearing by acknowledging, “I’m no real expert on China.”

The nominee for ambassador to Norway mentioned above also admitted he’d never actually been there before, and Obama’s choices for ambassadors to Argentina and Iceland said the same of their respective countries. His pick for ambassador to Hungary, soap opera producer Colleen Bell, gave confirmation testimony that suggested she would have difficulty finding it on a map.

Obama’s ambassadors to the Bahamas and Luxembourg left their embassies in a state of extreme “dysfunction,” as official reports said of both postings. Ambassador to Luxembourg Cynthia Stroum was such a disaster that members of her staff requested transfers to Iraq and Afghanistan to get away from her.

His ambassadors to places like the Vatican and Dominican Republic caused problems with their hosts. The Dominican Republic complained that the White House’s insistence on appointing openly gay Obama campaign bundler James Brewster was meant to promote “an LGBT agenda inconsistent with the Christian cultural values and tradition of the Dominican Republic.” The Vatican was not amused by Obama’s attempts to send them abortion activists.

Donald Trump, therefore, is not the first President-elect to desire a clean diplomatic slate, or worry that his predecessor’s political appointees might cause trouble for the new administration if they were given extensions. Trump arguably has more reason for such concerns than any previous chief executive. Magnifying his policy into an unprecedented, unacceptable breach of protocol is Fake News manufacture at its worst...

No, Trump’s Dismissal of Obama’s Ambassadors Is Not an Unprecedented Crisis - Breitbart

 

[MACAULAY]

"Ronald E. Neumann, the president of the American Academy of Diplomacy, told the Times that he could not “recollect there was ever a guillotine in January where it was just, ‘Everybody out of the pool immediately.’”

However, Obama’s transition team sent out similar guidance -- eight years ago -- telling ambassadors appointed by President George W. Bush they had to leave their posts by Inauguration Day."

Trump tells Obama's ambassadors to leave by Inauguration Day

Did Obama refuse to give them any grace period or make exceptions? That is the difference we are talking about. Every new administration sends out same "pink slips".

_____________________________

I don't know how you could figure that this bullshit deserved its own thread. Its pure nitpicking. Its Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is what it is. I think you have gone too far over the edge and that you should resign as Moderator.

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[Coyote]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

Maybe.

Just maybe.

Ok ok ok....they absolutely did.

And I even included bold big colored font for emphasis




(I can see I got egg on my face with this one)

Nah.....

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Opps!

No. Not an oops.

Every new administration does that - EXCEPT - they make exceptions, and grant grace periods to allow families with children in school to complete the terms. That is the issue.

So we should keep someone in that country in a diplomatic post for the children?

Do you even fathom how stupid that sounds?

Did the military allow my kids to stay in school or did I have to move mid-year?

My oldest daughter attended about 7 different school before she hit middle school and I left the military.

If it's so stupid, why was it done for decades? Why are we paying the millions for the secret service to keep Melania and Barron in Trump Tower so HE can finish out his school year?

You don't think those Secret Service agents would not be assigned similar duties in Washington or wherever the President happens to be?

Most bring their families to the White House.

Most what?

 

[Coyote]

No. Not an oops.

Every new administration does that - EXCEPT - they make exceptions, and grant grace periods to allow families with children in school to complete the terms. That is the issue.

So we should keep someone in that country in a diplomatic post for the children?

Do you even fathom how stupid that sounds?

Did the military allow my kids to stay in school or did I have to move mid-year?

My oldest daughter attended about 7 different school before she hit middle school and I left the military.

If it's so stupid, why was it done for decades? Why are we paying the millions for the secret service to keep Melania and Barron in Trump Tower so HE can finish out his school year?

You don't think those Secret Service agents would not be assigned similar duties in Washington or wherever the President happens to be?

Most bring their families to the White House.

Most what?

Most presidents.

 

[depotoo]

You had posted by the time I posted. I had not seen it yet. I am sorry.

You've not once commented on this-

Obama Gives Political Ambassadors Their Pink Slips

By Glenn Kessler
The incoming Obama administration has notified all politically-appointed ambassadors that they must vacate their posts as of Jan. 20, the day President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office, a State Department official said.
-----------
Obama did the same.

This blog explains it best...and reasonably explores it. What makes the Trump team's "pink slipping" so much more callous is the up front "no exceptions" statement.

Foreign Service Tradition: Political Ambassadors Have To Be Out By January 20

And?

You and a dozen others posted this, and a respond. Do you need a personal response?

Here goes.

Dear Depotoo,

After a careful review of your post, I've concluded that, indeed, the Trump administration is acting no differently than preceding administrations in regard to this issue.

Sincerely,

Coyote

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

That is a classy move Coyote. Don't see that often on the interwebs.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

Fake news AGAIN! Break with precedent?

Obama did the same thing in 2009.

What was it Obama said? Oh, that's right! Elections have consequences.

Pack those bags!

Er, the precedent has been in place since Obama's reelection in 2012

Oh, got it!

 

[Tresha91203]

In fairness, it was not easy to find the info that debunked this BS. Even a search of "obama grants grace period to bush ambassadors" yields this "unprecedented Trump move" fake news story for 2 pages. What gives? F'ing fake news MSM.

 

[Coyote]

Looks like a good idea to drain that particular swamp, pronto!

Some of Obama’s ambassadors have been highly problematic, even leaving aside the question of how many zeroes were on the check they wrote to obtain their posts. The Washington Post reported on the parade of diplomatic horrors in February 2014:

The nominee for ambassador to Norway, for example, prompted outrage in Oslo by characterizing one of the nation’s ruling parties as extremist. A soap- opera producer slated for Hungary appeared to have little knowledge of the country she would be living in. A prominent Obama bundler nominated to be ambassador to Argentina acknowledged that he had never set foot in the country and isn’t fluent in Spanish.

Even former senator Max Baucus (D-Mont.), the new U.S. ambassador in Beijing, managed to raise eyebrows during his confirmation hearing by acknowledging, “I’m no real expert on China.”

The nominee for ambassador to Norway mentioned above also admitted he’d never actually been there before, and Obama’s choices for ambassadors to Argentina and Iceland said the same of their respective countries. His pick for ambassador to Hungary, soap opera producer Colleen Bell, gave confirmation testimony that suggested she would have difficulty finding it on a map.

Obama’s ambassadors to the Bahamas and Luxembourg left their embassies in a state of extreme “dysfunction,” as official reports said of both postings. Ambassador to Luxembourg Cynthia Stroum was such a disaster that members of her staff requested transfers to Iraq and Afghanistan to get away from her.

His ambassadors to places like the Vatican and Dominican Republic caused problems with their hosts. The Dominican Republic complained that the White House’s insistence on appointing openly gay Obama campaign bundler James Brewster was meant to promote “an LGBT agenda inconsistent with the Christian cultural values and tradition of the Dominican Republic.” The Vatican was not amused by Obama’s attempts to send them abortion activists.

Donald Trump, therefore, is not the first President-elect to desire a clean diplomatic slate, or worry that his predecessor’s political appointees might cause trouble for the new administration if they were given extensions. Trump arguably has more reason for such concerns than any previous chief executive. Magnifying his policy into an unprecedented, unacceptable breach of protocol is Fake News manufacture at its worst...

No, Trump’s Dismissal of Obama’s Ambassadors Is Not an Unprecedented Crisis - Breitbart

In all fairness, I'd have to ask if Obama's ambassador's were any worse behaved then those of other administrations or if this is Brietbart's share of "fake news". These are after all political appointees.

The difficult posts are given to career state department diplomates, of those that are important but not dicey, appointees are chosen that have some experience. Bahamas and Luxemberg are cake - no experience required and you'd likely get some jerks.

 

[Contumacious]

This article was posted in another thread. It deserves it's own thread. What an incredibly petty, callous and vindictive thing to do - upending people's lives just because you can? Seriously?

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

...A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

....Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

​

They "shouldn't be surprised"? If it breaks with decades of precedent, they of course they would be surprised. No ill will? Really?

That really pisses me off

They should be required to leave the day before the inauguration. LOL

I want them to be thoroughly frisked to make sure they don't steal anything including paper clips.

Fuck them


.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No one in their right mind would leave obama loyalists on the job any longer than absolutely required. They would all lay whatever bombs they could then run to the nearest media and whine.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Ok everyone. Point taken. Maybe NYT took this out of proportion.

"Maybe NYT took this out of proportion."

The NYT takes most things involving The Donald out of proportion and their Editorials during the Presidential Election campaign were so hysterical they could have been written by certified lunatics in the Booby Hatch.

 

[Tilly]

In fairness, it was not easy to find the info that debunked this BS. Even a search of "obama grants grace period to bush ambassadors" yields this "unprecedented Trump move" fake news story for 2 pages. What gives? F'ing fake news MSM.

I agree. Pages and pages of fake news!