GOP Rolled back Obama Gun Laws for Mentally ill Receiving SS checks

[depotoo]

From the Washington post-

In contrast, the Social Security policy simply assumes that people who have been determined to need assistance managing their disability benefits meet the definition of “adjudicated as a mental defective” in the 1968 Gun Control Act.
Washington Post

Jeffery Swanson is a professor in psychiatry and behavioral Sciences at Duke University School of Medicine.

Why Obama's gun policy for mentally ill is flawed

It included the disabled that were able within that bill, as though they were mentally unfit. It was not a clean bill.

I do not agree with that when I see the bill, you have to have a diagnosis of mental illness and on social security for it..

These people aren't mentally ill, they just need assistance with their financial affairs.
As we get older some of us just don't care as much anymore.
I'll be 66 in a couple of months there's lots of stuff I put off.
I had a fender bender in Aug., still haven't filed the insurance claim. They call me every week.
I don't answer my phone, I don't read my mail.
Still haven't called the insurance company from Irma, roof still leaks.

I'm not mentally ill. I work everyday in a high level govt. job.

Here I will put the Bill in my OP just horrible that they did this..I am angry..
Shown Here:
Public Law No: 115-8 (02/28/2017)
(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.)

This joint resolution nullifies the “Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007” rule finalized by the Social Security Administration on December 19, 2016. The rule implements a plan to provide to the National Instant Criminal History Background Check System the name of an individual who meets certain criteria, including that benefit payments are made through a representative payee because the individual is determined to be mentally incapable of managing them. (Current law prohibits firearm sale or transfer to and purchase or possession by a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective.)

that could mean they are forget to pay their bills.
This bullcrap is vague as hell for a reason, my dear.

Look at the bill, it is not just about not able to pay their bill.

Shown Here:
Public Law No: 115-8 (02/28/2017)
(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.)

This joint resolution nullifies the “Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007” rule finalized by the Social Security Administration on December 19, 2016. The rule implements a plan to provide to the National Instant Criminal History Background Check System the name of an individual who meets certain criteria, including that benefit payments are made through a representative payee because the individual is determined to be mentally incapable of managing them. (Current law prohibits firearm sale or transfer to and purchase or possession by a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective.)

 

[Geaux4it]

I do not recall hearing about this..All I can say Is Why?

The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday 2017 rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

The rule in question used entirely unreasonable and non-credible criteria for determining someone to be “mentally unfit”, and on that basis, to deprive them of abn essential Constitutional right without proper due process of law. Had it ever been properly challenged in court, it would almost certainly have been overturned as blatantly unconstitutional anyway.

Note that even in the part that you quoted, “people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs”. Someone who needs help managing his finances is deemed mentally-unfit. No correlation between this and genuine mental illness, and certainly no correlation between this and a propensity for violence or destruction. How can you justify using this as a basis on which to deny someone an essential Constitutional right? You can't.

The Союз Советских Социалистических Республик was big on abusing false diagnoses of “mental illness” as excuses to deny basic human rights to those it deemed to be disloyal to the government. This rule was nothing more or less than an attempt on the part of the Obama administration to do likewise.

Not to mention there are many things that would qualify a person for Social Security under the heading "mental illness" that don't make him/her any more dangerous or likely to misuse a firearm than anyone else.

You have to be very careful about stripping people of Constitutional rights without due process of law.

So please tell us... You will not get Social Security for anything minor . Everyone knows how hard it is to get on Social Security for disabilities.

Actually, Obama made it quite easy as he loosened the requjirements

-Geaux
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SSA: Disability Recipients Soar, Funding Nearly Depleted Under Obama

The number of Americans receiving Social Security disability payments has increased 20 percent since President Barack Obama took office and the influx of new recipients has pushed the program close to insolvency.

 

[JBond]

I do not recall hearing about this..All I can say Is Why?

The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday 2017 rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

The rule in question used entirely unreasonable and non-credible criteria for determining someone to be “mentally unfit”, and on that basis, to deprive them of abn essential Constitutional right without proper due process of law. Had it ever been properly challenged in court, it would almost certainly have been overturned as blatantly unconstitutional anyway.

Note that even in the part that you quoted, “people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs”. Someone who needs help managing his finances is deemed mentally-unfit. No correlation between this and genuine mental illness, and certainly no correlation between this and a propensity for violence or destruction. How can you justify using this as a basis on which to deny someone an essential Constitutional right? You can't.

The Союз Советских Социалистических Республик was big on abusing false diagnoses of “mental illness” as excuses to deny basic human rights to those it deemed to be disloyal to the government. This rule was nothing more or less than an attempt on the part of the Obama administration to do likewise.

Not to mention there are many things that would qualify a person for Social Security under the heading "mental illness" that don't make him/her any more dangerous or likely to misuse a firearm than anyone else.

You have to be very careful about stripping people of Constitutional rights without due process of law.

So please tell us... You will not get Social Security for anything minor . Everyone knows how hard it is to get on Social Security for disabilities.

Hard to get? The number doubled under Obama.

 

[Lastamender]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

Try the truth about what Obama did.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

I disagree with Trump here. People on welfare should not have guns. It's not going to stop the thugs, but the black murder rate might drop a bit.

Social Security is not welfare.. but these people are getting Social Security for not being able to work


.

So that negates their Constitutional right to due process?

 

[The Original Tree]

 

[Cecilie1200]

The purpose of the obama rule was to take an already vulnerable part of the population, the elderly, and make them even more vulnerable by taking away whatever means of self defense they have. This is part of the plan to kill off the old.

Since no mass shooting was ever conducted by a senior citizen the law was just transparent human sacrifice to the hood rats.

Democrats are trying to cover up their own failures.

That was not what the bill was..if you are actively mentally ill ..not an old person..

Shown Here:
Public Law No: 115-8 (02/28/2017)
(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.)

This joint resolution nullifies the “Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007” rule finalized by the Social Security Administration on December 19, 2016. The rule implements a plan to provide to the National Instant Criminal History Background Check System the name of an individual who meets certain criteria, including that benefit payments are made through a representative payee because the individual is determined to be mentally incapable of managing them. (Current law prohibits firearm sale or transfer to and purchase or possession by a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective.)

Once again, there are lots of reasons a person could receive Social Security under the heading of "mental illness" that do not make them dangerous to others.

Say, for example, a person who has severe agoraphobia. They're probably not going to be able to hold a decent job, given that they can't leave the house, but that doesn't any less rational and responsible than any other person.

And it's Unconstitutional, not to mention reprehensible, to simply revoke their Second Amendment rights through a violation of their Fifth Amendment rights.

 

[Lastamender]

A gun is a tool. Ask Marion.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Get with it ..and look at what you are supporting

Shown Here:
Public Law No: 115-8 (02/28/2017)
(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.)

This joint resolution nullifies the “Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007” rule finalized by the Social Security Administration on December 19, 2016. The rule implements a plan to provide to the National Instant Criminal History Background Check System the name of an individual who meets certain criteria, including that benefit payments are made through a representative payee because the individual is determined to be mentally incapable of managing them. (Current law prohibits firearm sale or transfer to and purchase or possession by a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective.)

It is still illegal to purchase a gun if you are mentally defective. To indicate otherwise is an outright lie. Clearly you have never purchased a fire arm.

Line f of ATF form 4473 covers this.

And people are going to say yes..? They rolled back the law to be on the database when you do a back round check.

Since you believe you know everything go ahead and explain the process of how people are added or removed from the mental defective list.

The DNS...I worked in this field

Go ahead and elaborate since you are an expert in the field. Explain exactly how you are added or removed from the list.

Listen, I don't want crazy people running around with guns. It is the how that is important. It must be done in a way that does not violate civil rights or the Constitution. Obama and dems failed to do that.

Can't imagine why the left considers observance of due process of law to be such a burden.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It is still illegal to purchase a gun if you are mentally defective. To indicate otherwise is an outright lie. Clearly you have never purchased a fire arm.

Line f of ATF form 4473 covers this.

And people are going to say yes..? They rolled back the law to be on the database when you do a back round check.

Since you believe you know everything go ahead and explain the process of how people are added or removed from the mental defective list.

The DNS...I worked in this field

Go ahead and elaborate since you are an expert in the field. Explain exactly how you are added or removed from the list.

Listen, I don't want crazy people running around with guns. It is the how that is important. It must be done in a way that does not violate civil rights or the Constitution. Obama and dems failed to do that.

Addiction Severity Index (ASI) summary scores: comparison of the Recent Status Scores of the ASI-6 and the Composite Scores of the ASI-5

The Addiction Severity Index (ASI) was introduced in the United States in 1980 as a comprehensive instrument designed to assess the impairments that commonly occur in individuals with substance use disorders (SUDs) (McLellan, Luborsky, Woody, & O'Brien, 1980). A slightly modified version of the ASI (ASI-5) was created in 1992 but is essentially the same instrument that was introduced in 1980 (McLellan, et al., 1992). The ASI has been translated in multiple languages and it is probably the most widely used instrument to assess the severity of problems in individuals with SUDs in different settings (addiction clinics, mental health settings, prison) and among different populations (substance users seeking treatment, homeless, substance users with co-occurring psychopathology) (McLellan, Cacciola, Alterman, Rikoon, & Carise, 2006).

That's nice. Where does this address the legal right every citizen has to due process of law prior to having their rights abrogated?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I do not recall hearing about this..All I can say Is Why?

The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday 2017 rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

The rule in question used entirely unreasonable and non-credible criteria for determining someone to be “mentally unfit”, and on that basis, to deprive them of abn essential Constitutional right without proper due process of law. Had it ever been properly challenged in court, it would almost certainly have been overturned as blatantly unconstitutional anyway.

Note that even in the part that you quoted, “people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs”. Someone who needs help managing his finances is deemed mentally-unfit. No correlation between this and genuine mental illness, and certainly no correlation between this and a propensity for violence or destruction. How can you justify using this as a basis on which to deny someone an essential Constitutional right? You can't.

The Союз Советских Социалистических Республик was big on abusing false diagnoses of “mental illness” as excuses to deny basic human rights to those it deemed to be disloyal to the government. This rule was nothing more or less than an attempt on the part of the Obama administration to do likewise.

Not to mention there are many things that would qualify a person for Social Security under the heading "mental illness" that don't make him/her any more dangerous or likely to misuse a firearm than anyone else.

You have to be very careful about stripping people of Constitutional rights without due process of law.

So please tell us... You will not get Social Security for anything minor . Everyone knows how hard it is to get on Social Security for disabilities.

I didn't say "minor". I said "not dangerous". You watch too many movies if you think every person with a mental illness is wild-eyed, frothing at the mouth, and talking to the shrubbery.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

I'm confused. You mean the shooter at 19 was getting SS checks?

-Geaux

He was having many mental health issues hearing voices. ect.. Hearing voices usually means schizophrenia in most cases except for addictions..

Being and adult he would have been on the list for major mental health problems..

And what due process of law would he have been afforded prior to and after being added to the list?

 

[Darkwind]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

Sounds like you suffer from a serious mental illness known as Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Just another example of Trump saying one thing after doing another. He is an aggressive slave of the nra.

Your thread is just another example of someone not knowing what he’s talking about.

What I'm talking about is children dying and Trump could care less. He is part of the problem, bought and paid for by the nra.

The NRA is an organization that protects the rights of every citizen. I know you have a problem with citizens having rights, but you'll have to deal with that.

IN truth, YOU are the problem in the shooting deaths of children in this nation. So much time is wasted on knee-jerk, blame the Republicans, that serious discussions of what needs to be done to protect our children AND the rights of the everyday innocent citizen.

common sense seems to be lacking in the entire progressive mindset.

 

[JBond]

And people are going to say yes..? They rolled back the law to be on the database when you do a back round check.

Since you believe you know everything go ahead and explain the process of how people are added or removed from the mental defective list.

The DNS...I worked in this field

Go ahead and elaborate since you are an expert in the field. Explain exactly how you are added or removed from the list.

Listen, I don't want crazy people running around with guns. It is the how that is important. It must be done in a way that does not violate civil rights or the Constitution. Obama and dems failed to do that.

Addiction Severity Index (ASI) summary scores: comparison of the Recent Status Scores of the ASI-6 and the Composite Scores of the ASI-5

The Addiction Severity Index (ASI) was introduced in the United States in 1980 as a comprehensive instrument designed to assess the impairments that commonly occur in individuals with substance use disorders (SUDs) (McLellan, Luborsky, Woody, & O'Brien, 1980). A slightly modified version of the ASI (ASI-5) was created in 1992 but is essentially the same instrument that was introduced in 1980 (McLellan, et al., 1992). The ASI has been translated in multiple languages and it is probably the most widely used instrument to assess the severity of problems in individuals with SUDs in different settings (addiction clinics, mental health settings, prison) and among different populations (substance users seeking treatment, homeless, substance users with co-occurring psychopathology) (McLellan, Cacciola, Alterman, Rikoon, & Carise, 2006).

That's nice. Where does this address the legal right every citizen has to due process of law prior to having their rights abrogated?

Progressive turds have never given a fuck about rights. They say they do, but their actions tell the true story.

 

[Timmy]

States control the gun laws .

States wh loose gun laws have more gun crime .

Like crazy ass Florida .

 

[Lastamender]

States control the gun laws .

States wh loose gun laws have more gun crime .

Like crazy ass Florida .

Prove it. Good luck.

 

[Timmy]

Since you believe you know everything go ahead and explain the process of how people are added or removed from the mental defective list.

The DNS...I worked in this field

Go ahead and elaborate since you are an expert in the field. Explain exactly how you are added or removed from the list.

Listen, I don't want crazy people running around with guns. It is the how that is important. It must be done in a way that does not violate civil rights or the Constitution. Obama and dems failed to do that.

Addiction Severity Index (ASI) summary scores: comparison of the Recent Status Scores of the ASI-6 and the Composite Scores of the ASI-5

The Addiction Severity Index (ASI) was introduced in the United States in 1980 as a comprehensive instrument designed to assess the impairments that commonly occur in individuals with substance use disorders (SUDs) (McLellan, Luborsky, Woody, & O'Brien, 1980). A slightly modified version of the ASI (ASI-5) was created in 1992 but is essentially the same instrument that was introduced in 1980 (McLellan, et al., 1992). The ASI has been translated in multiple languages and it is probably the most widely used instrument to assess the severity of problems in individuals with SUDs in different settings (addiction clinics, mental health settings, prison) and among different populations (substance users seeking treatment, homeless, substance users with co-occurring psychopathology) (McLellan, Cacciola, Alterman, Rikoon, & Carise, 2006).

That's nice. Where does this address the legal right every citizen has to due process of law prior to having their rights abrogated?

Progressive turds have never given a fuck about rights. They say they do, but their actions tell the true story.

You righties are a joke . You only care about the 2nd and wipe your ass with the rest of the constitution.

 

[JBond]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

I'm confused. You mean the shooter at 19 was getting SS checks?

-Geaux

He was having many mental health issues hearing voices. ect.. Hearing voices usually means schizophrenia in most cases except for addictions..

Being and adult he would have been on the list for major mental health problems..

And what due process of law would he have been afforded prior to and after being added to the list?

I already tried. Eagle has no idea. He claims he worked there, but has no idea what hell is going on.

 

[JBond]

States control the gun laws .

States wh loose gun laws have more gun crime .

Like crazy ass Florida .

Fail. Absolute fail. Timmy, shut you pie hole when the adults are talking. Your stupidity is a distraction.

 

[Lastamender]

States control the gun laws .

States wh loose gun laws have more gun crime .

Like crazy ass Florida .

Fail. Absolute fail. Timmy, shut you pie hole when the adults are talking. Your stupidity is a distraction.

Should we blame Lassie for getting him out of the well?