GOP Rolled back Obama Gun Laws for Mentally ill Receiving SS checks

[The Original Tree]

Whiney Tiny Tim:

"States control the gun laws .

States wh loose gun laws have more gun crime .

Like crazy ass Florida"

TREE:

That is blatantly false, Timmy.

Crime statistics show that there is more gun crimes like armed robberies where gun control laws are the strictest.

Individual Communities can have local Gun Laws that are far stricter than State Law and it's proven that gun bans, and strict gun control only keeps guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, and makes it harder for them to defend themselves.

 

[Timmy]

States control the gun laws .

States wh loose gun laws have more gun crime .

Like crazy ass Florida .

Prove it. Good luck.

Here you go.
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates

Ok that counts suicides . Those deaths don’t matter to conservatives.

I’ll find some other links .

 

[Timmy]

Whiney Tiny Tim:

"States control the gun laws .

States wh loose gun laws have more gun crime .

Like crazy ass Florida"

TREE:

That is blatantly false, Timmy.

Crime statistics show that there is more gun crimes like armed robberies where gun control laws are the strictest.

You are lying . Gun nuts are misinformatists .

 

[Wyatt earp]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

It has always been illegal since 1968

 

[koshergrl]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

Dumbass, making it difficult for me to get a gun doesn't help the mentally ill people who will get guns anyway.

 

[The Original Tree]

Whiney Tiny Tim:

"States control the gun laws .

States wh loose gun laws have more gun crime .

Like crazy ass Florida"

TREE:

That is blatantly false, Timmy.

Crime statistics show that there is more gun crimes like armed robberies where gun control laws are the strictest.

You are lying . Gun nuts are misinformatists .

State statistics have little to do with the difference in gun laws and prohibitions between one community and another. That is where the statistics show the reality of the situation when a community effectively employs prohibition vs. one that allows you to carry.

Now go lick Putin's Nuts, or Tongue Soros' Commie Ass.

 

[Timmy]

Here’s a good one.

Using fbi crime stats .

Gun crime statistics by US state: latest data

 

[Timmy]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

Dumbass, making it difficult for me to get a gun doesn't help the mentally ill people who will get guns anyway.

They won’t get them anyway . This Florida guy would not have been able to get those gun/licenses in Massachusetts.

 

[The Original Tree]

Here’s a good one.

Using fbi crime stats .

Gun crime statistics by US state: latest data

Call up the People at Harvard and tell them what a Dumb Ass and Liar you are.

Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy(pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.”

Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is “no.” And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation:

as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

The findings of two criminologists – Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser – in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

 

[Tom Horn]

What I'm talking about is children dying and Trump could care less. He is part of the problem, bought and paid for by the nra.

"Trump could care less"? you should be deported...today.

 

[Tom Horn]

They won’t get them anyway . This Florida guy would not have been able to get those gun/licenses in Massachusetts.

Or in Chicago....where there's no gun violence.....wait...

 

[The Original Tree]

More from the above mentioned study for the Libtard Multicultural Commie Nazis on the board:

"Per capita murder overall is only half as frequent in the United States as in several other nations where gun murder is rarer, but murder by strangling, stabbing, or beating is much more frequent. (p. 663 – emphases in original)"

If the mantra “more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death” were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)

Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

 

[The Original Tree]

MORE FACTS THAT WILL CAUSE LEFTARD NAZIS TO FLEE THIS THREAD
Just like "whiney tiny tim" did.

For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland’s murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. As the study’s authors write in the report:

If the mantra “more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death” were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)

Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct – that “gun don’t kill people, people do” – the study also shows that Russia’s murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.

Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

 

[Pogo]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

That in itself is pretty hilarious considering the messenger.

Kinda like Michael Moore making a film about Obesity in America.

 

[The Original Tree]

Where did all the Nazi Leftard Gun Control Commies go?

Harvard is overwhelmingly Liberal, but at least they are intellectually honest in this case.

The study I sited is over 600 pages.

So stick that in your Snowflake Pipe and smoke it Libscum.

 

[OKTexas]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

There was no maobama "law", it was an unconstitutional regulation that would have denied constitutional rights without due process. H. J. Res 40 overturned that regulation.


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[9thIDdoc]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

Exactly what qualifications do you bring to the table when it comes to determining who is/isn't mentally ill? That perspective law was obviously unconstitutional because it would have denied American citizens their constitutional right to due process before having their constitutional rights removed.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Uh, are you aware that the bill that the Republicans revoked was so problematic that even the ACLU and several mental-illness-rights advocacy groups opposed it and urged its repeal?

 

[hjmick]

Trump says that he is concerned about mental health issues as it relates to the tragedy in Florida.

But, just after taking office he killed the President Obama law H.J. Res 40 that would have prevented some mentally ill citizens from purchasing firearms. So now Trump is part of the problem and deserves a good dose of blame for the Florida shooting. And, how 'bout the nra? They've been awfully quiet. Bigly.

Sounds like you suffer from a serious mental illness known as Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Just another example of Trump saying one thing after doing another. He is an aggressive slave of the nra.

Liar.

I don't like Trump, but I like liars even less (so I dislike Trump twice as much). You may as well call him an "aggressive slave of the ACLU, the American Association of People with Disabilities, the Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, the Consortium for Citizens with Disabilities, the Disability Law Center of Alaska, the National Alliance on Mental Illness, the National Association of County Behavioral Health and Developmental Disability Directors, the National Association for Rights Protection and Advocacy, the National Association for Rural Mental Health, the National Council on Disability, the National Council of Independent Living, the National Coalition of Mental Health Recovery, the National Disability Leadership Alliance, the National Disability Rights Network, the New York Association of Psychiatric Rehabilitation Services, and Safari Club International" because they all supported the rule change, hell, they all thought the resolution should have killed when originally voted upon.

The rule would have allowed bureaucrats in one of our federal agencies to prevent American citizens from exercising one of their constitutional rights. Based on the highly questionable idea that you are incapable of managing your own finances thus making you a “mental defective.”

In the words of the American Association of People with Disabilities:

"This rule would require the Social Security Administration to forward the names of all Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefit recipients who use a representative payee to help manage their benefits due to a mental impairment to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)."

Feel free to read the letter the ACLU sent to members of Congress:

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ACLU.pdf

From the National Council on Disability:

"NCD is a nonpartisan, independent federal agency with no stated position with respect to gun-ownership or gun-control other than our long-held position that restrictions on gun possession or ownership based on psychiatric or intellectual disability must be based on a verifiable concern as to whether the individual poses a heightened risk of danger to themselves or others if they are in possession of a weapon. Additionally, it is critically important that any restriction on gun possession or ownership on this basis is imposed only after the individual has been afforded due process and given an opportunity to respond to allegations that they are not able to safely possess or own a firearm due to his or her disability. NCD believes that SSA’s final rule falls far short of meeting these criteria."

https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/NCD.pdf

Quoting my source material:

"There were a host of reasons to object to this measure. On separation-of-powers grounds, the prospect of the Social Security Administration playing judge, jury, and executioner is flatly intolerable. On due process grounds, there was nothing to recommend the measure (as the ACLU made abundantly clear in its opposition letter). On statutory grounds, it seems clear that the SSA was acting ultra vires (beyond the powers)."

No, the GOP Did Not Just Repeal the Background Check System or Give Guns to the Mentally Ill


So, none of the laws or rules governing gun ownership by the mentally ill have or were changed. What was changed was the ability of one government agency to be the sole arbiter of whether or not your ability to balance your check book should be the basis upon which you are denied one of your Constitutional Rights.

 

[Timmy]

Here’s a good one.

Using fbi crime stats .

Gun crime statistics by US state: latest data

Call up the People at Harvard and tell them what a Dumb Ass and Liar you are.

Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

The study, which just appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy(pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence.”

Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is “no.” And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation:

as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

The findings of two criminologists – Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser – in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

I post stats and you reply wh insults.

Typical righty . Gun nuts play the same song “Chicago !!!!!” That city has a big gang problem which makes it an outlier .

You never want to address the gun nut v gun control state stats . Or if you do you cherry pick some rural no people state wh a major metropolis urban area state .