Greatest thread to human civilization : capitalist greed - Stephen Hawkin

[Mac1958]

It really has been fascinating to watch during Obama's term, as the hardcore Left has become FAR more comfortable with defending and promoting socialism.

His administration really has been a turning point.
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Examples of "promoting socialism" seem to be missing. Please elucidate with examples.

Uh. Bernie Sanders promotes it. His supporters promote it. It's promoted here.

Post 415, for example.

Is this a trick question?
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There is no "socialism", per se. We have always had private security and public police agencies. We have always had public school and private schools and we have always had public hospitals and private hospitals. Much to the disappointment of most of the conservative Republicans, who never want to pass up and opportunity to fleece the people.

So to suggest that during the past half dozen years a "hardcore left" is advocating much more than already existed is hyperbole.

In fact missing in your piece is a definition of socialism and a definition of the hardcore left.

Seeing how receptive our nation is to the message of Bernie Sanders, it will take a whole lot of lies and money to knock him down. And one can bet that the NRA will spent whatever it takes to assassinate his character.

Yep, everything is relative.

That said, my original point remains: The Left is far more comfy discussing socialism, whatever the definition may be, than it was pre-Obama.
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IF everything is relative, Isn't the statement "everything is relative" relative?

Why is the right uncomfortable discussing socialism? Cognitive dissonance?

They don't want it, nor do they want a social democracy.

Different priorities, different opinions on what America is all about.
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[Conservative65]

It really has been fascinating to watch during Obama's term, as the hardcore Left has become FAR more comfortable with defending and promoting socialism.

His administration really has been a turning point.
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Examples of "promoting socialism" seem to be missing. Please elucidate with examples.

Oh, and I would like someone to detail how the private for profit sector is always better, cheaper and more effective than a government agency.

The private, for profit sector must constantly look out for waste. If they have a lot of waste, it cuts into their profit. A government agency only needs a politician to push for more funding and raising taxes to provide more money. A business can raise prices but only to a point. If the government raises taxes, what option do people have but pay them. For example, if the local school district wants more money, they raise the millage rate to get more money and it comes in property taxes. If you don't pay those property taxes, even if you own the property, it can be taken.

The private sector can collude with its competition to set prices and raise them with no explanation or only a flimsy excuse. The Private sector is not beholden to the people, a legislator who violates the trust of his constituency can be kicked out of office, a CEO can't be held accountable by The People; but The People's representatives can in terms of criminal and civil sanctions.

We live in a nation, as do most who live in Western Democracies, where the public and private sectors co-exist. They do so when it benefits The People.

There is no proof we get a better deal from the private sector than we do from the public one. There are more checks on public works than on private ones and most government brick and mortar projects are done by private firms who bid on the projects.

Remember, the Articles of Confederation were tossed under the bus for good reason.

If you really believe that tripe about not being beholden to the people, I'm not surprised you place so much trust in the government.

Where's your proof we get a good deal from the public sector?

 

[Conservative65]

It really has been fascinating to watch during Obama's term, as the hardcore Left has become FAR more comfortable with defending and promoting socialism.

His administration really has been a turning point.
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Examples of "promoting socialism" seem to be missing. Please elucidate with examples.

Uh. Bernie Sanders promotes it. His supporters promote it. It's promoted here.

Post 415, for example.

Is this a trick question?
.

There is no "socialism", per se. We have always had private security and public police agencies. We have always had public school and private schools and we have always had public hospitals and private hospitals. Much to the disappointment of most of the conservative Republicans, who never want to pass up and opportunity to fleece the people.

So to suggest that during the past half dozen years a "hardcore left" is advocating much more than already existed is hyperbole.

In fact missing in your piece is a definition of socialism and a definition of the hardcore left.

Seeing how receptive our nation is to the message of Bernie Sanders, it will take a whole lot of lies and money to knock him down. And one can bet that the NRA will spent whatever it takes to assassinate his character.

Yep, everything is relative.

That said, my original point remains: The Left is far more comfy discussing socialism, whatever the definition may be, than it was pre-Obama.
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IF everything is relative, Isn't the statement "everything is relative" relative?

Why is the right uncomfortable discussing socialism? Cognitive dissonance?

I'm not uncomfortable discussing socialism. My problem is when the evidence proves the left is socialist, they run from what they are like a food stamp recipient runs from a job.

 

[Unkotare]

He's right. Centuries ago this time period was envisioned to be a time of lesuire, and it could be so much nicer for us, but instead of creating beautiful gardens I had to spend my time paying the banks for the land......

Lazy shit. It's telling when someone thinks utopia means not working.

I love work. I just want it on my own terms.....

In other words, you hate work. Are you one of those useless Millennial punks?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"Hawkin" has a point.

Eventually, if labor is eliminated, capitalism as we know it will be too.

His point though is that the few who own the machines will not give up their wealth voluntarily. Thus a violent revolution. Twas always thus and always thus will be.

100% stupid of course since there is no point in owning machines unless they can make products distributed to all. IF they don't do that the machines are worthless!!

NOw do you understand?

You are lost to this conversation, try the flamer forum.

100% stupid of course since there is no point in owning machines unless they can make products distributed to all. If they don't do that the machines are worthless!!

Now do you understand??

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yep, everything is relative.

That said, my original point remains: The Left is far more comfy discussing socialism, whatever the definition may be, than it was pre-Obama.
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Socialism NEEDS to be discussed because right wing media has so distorted the meaning of the word and the concept.

In their abject servitude to the 1%'ers they have made socialism a dirty word synonymous with evil and communism. And it is neither of those things.

Due to cuts to the education budget by Republicans, Civics classes have been removed from schools --- still plenty of money for football teams --- but not enough for Civics classes. So our younger generations are growing up ignorant of other economic and government systems and they have been taught that anything other than unrestricted capitalism is EVIL.

They have no concept of the government systems used by other countries, many of which have a higher standard of living than we do.

Do to budget cuts by Republicans Civics classes have been canceled?
You're stuck on stupid, States budget funding and KKKalifornia is 100% Demonrat controlled.

And I crack up at the defense of socialism - they just didn't do it right!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Indeed, Yellen , Greenspan, Bernake, big servants of the banking system.

cut the BS, if so give your best example or admit to being a typical stupid liberal.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

when the evidence proves the left is socialist, they run from what they are like a food stamp recipient runs from a job.

actually Bernie Sanders admits to being a socialist and leftist. He has wide support in the Democratic party which might well be called the anti American party.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Different priorities, different opinions on what America is all about.
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according to our Founders it is about freedom from big liberal govt!! So its no surprise treasonous liberals spied for Stalin and elected Obama and Sanders.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. The Left denies they are socialist. That is the problem.

well I think Bernie is helping them get in touch with their authentic selves- right?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Private sector is not beholden to the people,.

100% stupid and liberal as always!! 10,000 companies go bankrupt each month precisely because the people judge them to be inadequate.

Now do you understand???

 

[Programmer]

You've been knocked out and you're swinging at nursing staff next week.

LOL. Come back when you'ev studied the implications of the Pitt Doctrine on entropy and can bring some actual knowledge here.

I took some econ. This doesn't change our policy, how it works, what it is and that it works exceptionally for our economy, where you're wrong and failed in refuting.

LOL! You took "some Econ." Yeah, you blew an Econ major in the bathroom is probably what you meant.
Your posts indicate deep ignorance of the Bernouli Curve and Stromboli Theorem.

oh no. A peerless, unemployed professor draws curves that makes him conclude that protection doesn't include exports, no matter what reality says.

Your response overlooks the fact of convex preferences, therefore is faulty.
lol! What a fucking rube

you're toast. You're just talking gibberish now. You've got a concussion.

Still there's the reality outside your head that the country's competitiveness, prosperity even, is not nor has been through laissez faire trade policy. Quite the contrary.

There's an entire department in the DoC for administering export protections, quotas, embargoes. There's no curve or theory that predicts history.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Medicine predates capitalism Ed.

100% stupid it was not until the 20th Century that medicine could be helpful at all. Before that there was very very little

Ed Jenner invented the vaccines in 1776. Waaay before 20th century.

:"the vaccines." The Salk Vaccine was invented in 1776? The papillomavirus vaccine was invented in 1776? Or do you mean one specific vaccine, namely smallpox, that was invented then? Because you are committing a fallcy here.

The first vaccine. That established the base work for the rest of the vaccines, more were created during the XIX century and further development was made during the XX century.
Timeline of vaccines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

capitalism created the wealth and population that made medical research possible on a huge scale!! In the Civil War for example if you got wounded you died. Simple

 

[CrusaderFrank]

2016, the year Dems openly embrace their Inner Mao

 

[Arizona Willie]

IF everything is relative, Isn't the statement "everything is relative" relative?

Why is the right uncomfortable discussing socialism? Cognitive dissonance?

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Why is the right uncomfortable discussing socialism? Because their masters have told them it is evil and to be avoided at all costs. Why? Because it would cut down on their PROFITS -- not eliminate but cut them down a bit and they won't tolerate that even though they have more money than they can possibly spend in their lifetime.

The convenience store attendant Republicans have allowed themselves to be brainwashed into believing that unrestricted capitalism is the ONLY way a country can run successfully. They have been taught to IGNORE the rest of the world and countries where socialism works just fine. And to never never think about the fact that this country is very socialistic and always has been. They refuse to even consider facts such as the fact that one of America's biggest " capitalistic " industries --- INSURANCE --- is nothing but socialism with a ball cap of capitalism glued on top. The insurance companies collect money from many people and pay it out to those in need. Did you ever hear anything more socialistic?

And they get a Profit on top for the service of aggravating the funds and the record keeping etc. etc.

But the base of the Insurance industry is nothing less than pure socialism.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

2016, the year Dems openly embrace their Inner Mao

yes and sadly it may be a very very bad thing. Under McCarthy when they were asked if they were or ever had been communists they lied or took the 5th whereas now it is safe for them to come out of the closet and openly admit to being libcommies.

This must be a very very bad sign of horrible things to come- right?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

IF everything is relative, Isn't the statement "everything is relative" relative?

Why is the right uncomfortable discussing socialism? Cognitive dissonance?

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Why is the right uncomfortable discussing socialism? Because their masters have told them it is evil and to be avoided at all costs. Why? Because it would cut down on their PROFITS -- not eliminate but cut them down a bit and they won't tolerate that even though they have more money than they can possibly spend in their lifetime.

The convenience store attendant Republicans have allowed themselves to be brainwashed into believing that unrestricted capitalism is the ONLY way a country can run successfully. They have been taught to IGNORE the rest of the world and countries where socialism works just fine. And to never never think about the fact that this country is very socialistic and always has been. They refuse to even consider facts such as the fact that one of America's biggest " capitalistic " industries --- INSURANCE --- is nothing but socialism with a ball cap of capitalism glued on top. The insurance companies collect money from many people and pay it out to those in need. Did you ever hear anything more socialistic?

And they get a Profit on top for the service of aggravating the funds and the record keeping etc. etc.

But the base of the Insurance industry is nothing less than pure socialism.

Lolollolololololo

We're about as uncomfortable discussing Socialism as a lion is uncomfortable hunting a limping gazelle

Lolollolololololo

 

[The Rabbi]

LOL. Come back when you'ev studied the implications of the Pitt Doctrine on entropy and can bring some actual knowledge here.

I took some econ. This doesn't change our policy, how it works, what it is and that it works exceptionally for our economy, where you're wrong and failed in refuting.

LOL! You took "some Econ." Yeah, you blew an Econ major in the bathroom is probably what you meant.
Your posts indicate deep ignorance of the Bernouli Curve and Stromboli Theorem.

oh no. A peerless, unemployed professor draws curves that makes him conclude that protection doesn't include exports, no matter what reality says.

Your response overlooks the fact of convex preferences, therefore is faulty.
lol! What a fucking rube

you're toast. You're just talking gibberish now. You've got a concussion.

Still there's the reality outside your head that the country's competitiveness, prosperity even, is not nor has been through laissez faire trade policy. Quite the contrary.

There's an entire department in the DoC for administering export protections, quotas, embargoes. There's no curve or theory that predicts history.

LOL!!
Yes there is no predicting history. That is the truest thing you've written so far.
LOL!!!! WHat a dipshit. You have no idea just how stupid and ignorant you sound. None whatsoever.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The insurance companies collect money from many people and pay it out to those in need. Did you ever hear anything more socialistic?

100% stupid since insurance is competitive. If you don't do it well you go bankrupt according to the rules of capitalism. Govt is a monopoly , it has no competition so there is no incentive to do things well, cheaply, or efficiently. Now you know why 120 million slowly starved to death in the USSR and Red China.

Do you understand why we are positive that liberalism is based in pure and deadly ignorance?

 

[Programmer]

I took some econ. This doesn't change our policy, how it works, what it is and that it works exceptionally for our economy, where you're wrong and failed in refuting.

LOL! You took "some Econ." Yeah, you blew an Econ major in the bathroom is probably what you meant.
Your posts indicate deep ignorance of the Bernouli Curve and Stromboli Theorem.

oh no. A peerless, unemployed professor draws curves that makes him conclude that protection doesn't include exports, no matter what reality says.

Your response overlooks the fact of convex preferences, therefore is faulty.
lol! What a fucking rube

you're toast. You're just talking gibberish now. You've got a concussion.

Still there's the reality outside your head that the country's competitiveness, prosperity even, is not nor has been through laissez faire trade policy. Quite the contrary.

There's an entire department in the DoC for administering export protections, quotas, embargoes. There's no curve or theory that predicts history.

LOL!!
Yes there is no predicting history. That is the truest thing you've written so far.
LOL!!!! WHat a dipshit. You have no idea just how stupid and ignorant you sound. None whatsoever.

This guy's got to be a spambot that spits out ad hominems and econ theory names. Had me going.