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Gun background checks in August set another record....good for us. More guns = less crime.

Yep, we're doing ggggrrrreat!! :biggrin:

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I'm not a fan of background checks, but mine is a purely constitutional view on the subject. What happens is that the debate on the 2nd Amendment is used to expand the federal government's abuse on many of our other civil liberties, which are specifically stated in the Bill of Rights.

What happens is that the background checks violate the 1st Amendment in that they compel Individuals to speak and to provide information about themselves to the government. Background checks also violate the 5th Amendment because they compel the Individual to provide evidence against himself or herself in order to require a gun. Additionally, background checks are a violation of the 10th Amendment because the requirement to provide this information is not something that is specifically stated as a power of the federal government in the Constitution. The only entity who would have that power under the 10th would be the states, but even they have their own 2nd Amendment, so that opens the door for a constitutional challenge should they try to use the 10th to infringe on the 2nd.

Unfortunately, we're too willing to relinquish our civil liberties in favor of some perceived perception of security. The 2nd exists for one reason only. And that's to protect liberty against government-over-man.

Seems like the second is kind of useless now because we're just voluntarily relinquishing our civil liberties to the feds. What a sad state of affairs.

That said, it is refreshing to know that more people are arming themselves. Just kinda sucks that we're voluntarily relinquishing other civil liberties as a federal stipulation. Really, it defeats the purpose of the existence of the 2nd. The 2nd was established to protect our civil liberties from the feds. Unfortunately, it's being used to empower them.

How the heck ''shall not infringe'' got twisted into ''ask the federal government for permission to exercise your God-given rights'' is baffling to me.

We're screwed where it really counts. If a criminal wants to aquire a gun and commit a crime, he's gonna do it, laws be darned. All we're really accomplishing in our so-called battle to preserve the 2nd is a systematic and voluntary relinquishment and erosion of our other civil liberties. Ha. Crazy...
 
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I was just reading a story where an off duty Dallas LE walked into the 'wrong' apartment, then shot & killed the rightful occupant.

Some folks should not have guns; just saying. Not sure how background checks work for LE, or do they even have them?
 
You do realize that the U.S. Is no where near the top in homicide or suicide rates?

List of countries by intentional death rate - Wikipedia
My comparison is with rich countries, yours is with shitholes, and we still don’t look all that great again.
So your saying that we can pick and choose who we want to compare anything with. I thin Italy, Japan, England and a large portion of the countries on that list may object to being called shitholes. Do you mean any country that does not fit your narrative is a shithole country or is it all countries?
 
You do realize that the U.S. Is no where near the top in homicide or suicide rates?

List of countries by intentional death rate - Wikipedia
My comparison is with rich countries, yours is with shitholes, and we still don’t look all that great again.
Of course Greenland which tops the list is just such a shithole. Lol go tell them that.
 


Yes.... you have to add suicides into the mix to get the number that high......but the countries with extreme gun control...Japan, China, Korea, have higher suicide rates than we do.

As to the other side of the coin...lives saved by Americans with guns...one estimate puts it at 175,000

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


Consider that in the 1992 NSDS 46% of those reporting DGUs believed someone “might have” – “probably would have” – or “almost certainly would have” been killed otherwise. Even of 1.1 million DGUs, nearly half may have saved a life (and we ought to assume, conservatively, that at least the 16% “almost certainly” did).
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that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.
 


And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?
 
You do realize that the U.S. Is no where near the top in homicide or suicide rates?

List of countries by intentional death rate - Wikipedia
My comparison is with rich countries, yours is with shitholes, and we still don’t look all that great again.


You have a static picture......while the crime in Europe isn't staying static...they have imported violent 3rd Worlders, gutted their police forces, and disarmed the law abiding.....and you actually think their gun murder rate is going to stay low?
 
You do realize that the U.S. Is no where near the top in homicide or suicide rates?

List of countries by intentional death rate - Wikipedia
My comparison is with rich countries, yours is with shitholes, and we still don’t look all that great again.
So your saying that we can pick and choose who we want to compare anything with. I thin Italy, Japan, England and a large portion of the countries on that list may object to being called shitholes. Do you mean any country that does not fit your narrative is a shithole country or is it all countries?
Your reading comprehension skills need an upgrade. Please try again.
 


And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?
Our numbers are still huge compared to other rich countries.
 
You do realize that the U.S. Is no where near the top in homicide or suicide rates?

List of countries by intentional death rate - Wikipedia
My comparison is with rich countries, yours is with shitholes, and we still don’t look all that great again.


You have a static picture......while the crime in Europe isn't staying static...they have imported violent 3rd Worlders, gutted their police forces, and disarmed the law abiding.....and you actually think their gun murder rate is going to stay low?
It's still way lower than ours.
 


And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?
Our numbers are still huge compared to other rich countries.


Yes.... our cultures are completely different which you never understand. Europe and Asia suffered massive population loss and massive societal desruction because of World War 2..... they lost 12 million innocent men, women and children, unarmed by the way, to the socialists, and they weren't war dead, they were simply murdered. It has taken a long time for their culture to recover from that destruction. It is now catching up with the United States. Their social welfare systems have finally managed to reach the point where single teenage girls can have male children without fathers to the point they are turning out violent sociopaths......just like Americans in democrat cities where the out of wedlock birth rate is over 75%......

That is why we have always had more murder than they have had, and now as our violent crime rates go down, theirs are now going up...even gun violence after they banned and confiscated guns.

They had a low gun murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns...that hasn't changed....our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate......and yet their violent crime rate is going up while ours is going down, as more Americans own and carry guns.
 


And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?
Our numbers are still huge compared to other rich countries.


And yet as more Americans own and carry guns...something you tell us will lead to more gun crime....isn't leading to more gun crime.....you can't explain that, because you don't think about this issue, you simply hate guns.
 


And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?
Our numbers are still huge compared to other rich countries.


Yes.... our cultures are completely different which you never understand. Europe and Asia suffered massive population loss and massive societal desruction because of World War 2..... they lost 12 million innocent men, women and children, unarmed by the way, to the socialists, and they weren't war dead, they were simply murdered. It has taken a long time for their culture to recover from that destruction. It is now catching up with the United States. Their social welfare systems have finally managed to reach the point where single teenage girls can have male children without fathers to the point they are turning out violent sociopaths......just like Americans in democrat cities where the out of wedlock birth rate is over 75%......

That is why we have always had more murder than they have had, and now as our violent crime rates go down, theirs are now going up...even gun violence after they banned and confiscated guns.

They had a low gun murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns...that hasn't changed....our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate......and yet their violent crime rate is going up while ours is going down, as more Americans own and carry guns.
When our numbers don't still dwarf other rich countries, then come back and we'll talk.
 


And you won't answer this question...

How is it that as more Americans own and carry guns..... our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%, while in Britain, where they banned and confiscated guns, their gun crime rate is going up, and their violent crime rate is going through the roof?

Care to answer that question?
Our numbers are still huge compared to other rich countries.


Yes.... our cultures are completely different which you never understand. Europe and Asia suffered massive population loss and massive societal desruction because of World War 2..... they lost 12 million innocent men, women and children, unarmed by the way, to the socialists, and they weren't war dead, they were simply murdered. It has taken a long time for their culture to recover from that destruction. It is now catching up with the United States. Their social welfare systems have finally managed to reach the point where single teenage girls can have male children without fathers to the point they are turning out violent sociopaths......just like Americans in democrat cities where the out of wedlock birth rate is over 75%......

That is why we have always had more murder than they have had, and now as our violent crime rates go down, theirs are now going up...even gun violence after they banned and confiscated guns.

They had a low gun murder rate before they banned and confiscated guns...that hasn't changed....our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate......and yet their violent crime rate is going up while ours is going down, as more Americans own and carry guns.
When our numbers don't still dwarf other rich countries, then come back and we'll talk.


Britain is already more violent than the U.S. and getting more violent by the day......

Again, you dodged the question, and the point.....

According to you, more guns = more gun crime. That is not happening in the United States...our gun crime rate is down 75%......can you understand that number.....down 75%, our gun murder rate is down 49%, our violent crime rate is down 72%....as more Americans own and carry guns. This shows that your argument for gun control is wrong, and not based in truth, facts or reality......

Can you explain why your argument is wrong?
 

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