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US murdersGoing from a 14,000 per year epidemic to 8,000 per year isn't 55% and isn't a cure.
1993: 24526
2014: 11961 = 12565 fewer murders = 51.23%
US Gun related murders:
1993: 17413
2014: 8124 = 9289 fewer murders = 53.31%
The point demonstrated here is that your claim of an "epidemic" is ignorant and/or dishonest hyperbole
Uh, no not really.
Which kills more Americans: Guns or cars?
That's an epidemic /\/\/\/\
Cars kill more people....
Accidental gun death 2014... 586
Accidental car death...33,000
Lies, damned lies, and 2aguy's statistics.
US murdersGoing from a 14,000 per year epidemic to 8,000 per year isn't 55% and isn't a cure.
1993: 24526
2014: 11961 = 12565 fewer murders = 51.23%
US Gun related murders:
1993: 17413
2014: 8124 = 9289 fewer murders = 53.31%
The point demonstrated here is that your claim of an "epidemic" is ignorant and/or dishonest hyperbole
Uh, no not really.
Which kills more Americans: Guns or cars?
That's an epidemic /\/\/\/\
Yes. Really. Your graph does nothing to disprove my post.Uh, no not really.US murdersGoing from a 14,000 per year epidemic to 8,000 per year isn't 55% and isn't a cure.
1993: 24526
2014: 11961 = 12565 fewer murders = 51.23%
US Gun related murders:
1993: 17413
2014: 8124 = 9289 fewer murders = 53.31%
The point demonstrated here is that your claim of an "epidemic" is ignorant and/or dishonest hyperbole
"Epidemic" remains a term of mindless hyperbole
Now, go find a different talking point.
We've had more people die in this country from gun violence since 2001 than all U.S. soldiers during WWII. We've had more people die in the past 6 weeks from gun violence than terrorism since 2001.
What, exactly, is an epidemic to you? Gun violence fits all the definitions of one. And it's spreading. The more people who have guns, the more people feel they need guns (thanks to the blatant scare tactics by the NRA). It fits every definition of a disease.
If you are looking for a law that will prevent ALL murders you're asking the impossible. If you are looking for a law that will prevent a few murders you're asking something easy.My position is obvious:
Laws cannot prevent actions; a law cannot prevent someone from breaking another law.
Enacting a law that restricts the tights of the law abiding based on the false premise that a law can prevent someone from breaking another law is, at best, nonsensical.
You believe I am wrong?
Why don't you propose a law that will prevent people form committing murder?
Do that and we won't need more gun control.
A literacy test is your suggestion and it fails my test: "I'm OK with it so long as it isn't targeted at a particular group" since it is aimed at illiterates and blacks. I proposed a civics course, written or oral, given in the persons preferred language.If there is money allocated it will happen. I have no problem tying state or federal gun control laws to training funding. Congress can mandate you can't have one without the other.
A free class to educate voters? I'm OK with it so long as it isn't targeted at a particular group. Considering the state of our government it's worth a shot.
So...you are fine with not letting blacks vote without passing a literacy test, or a test on how the government works...right? As long as it was free..right?
So 8,124 lives is an acceptable number? Mission accomplished, we can all go home now. Remember each life affects many others so there are many more victims, they just have to live with the loss.And yet drugs are are used and people speed.........357,000,000 guns in private hands less than 8,124 of them are so see to commit mirder...our gun laws already work.....
There are repeat offenders for sure and I agree with you that they require tough measures. Unfortunately it's hard to tell the good guys from the future bad guys until it is too late.Stop focusing on law abiding gun Owners and focus on the actual problem.....criminals who use guns for crime......
If you are looking for a law that will prevent ALL murders you're asking the impossible. If you are looking for a law that will prevent a few murders you're asking something easy.My position is obvious:
Laws cannot prevent actions; a law cannot prevent someone from breaking another law.
Enacting a law that restricts the tights of the law abiding based on the false premise that a law can prevent someone from breaking another law is, at best, nonsensical.
You believe I am wrong?
Why don't you propose a law that will prevent people form committing murder?
Do that and we won't need more gun control.
Outlawing all guns would certainly prevent at least a few murders.
So 8,124 lives is an acceptable number? Mission accomplished, we can all go home now. Remember each life affects many others so there are many more victims, they just have to live with the loss.And yet drugs are are used and people speed.........357,000,000 guns in private hands less than 8,124 of them are so see to commit mirder...our gun laws already work.....
I think every life matters but we owe a special responsibility to cops to do everything we can to keep them safe.
There are repeat offenders for sure and I agree with you that they require tough measures. Unfortunately it's hard to tell the good guys from the future bad guys until it is too late.Stop focusing on law abiding gun Owners and focus on the actual problem.....criminals who use guns for crime......
A literacy test is your suggestion and it fails my test: "I'm OK with it so long as it isn't targeted at a particular group" since it is aimed at illiterates and blacks. I proposed a civics course, written or oral, given in the persons preferred language.If there is money allocated it will happen. I have no problem tying state or federal gun control laws to training funding. Congress can mandate you can't have one without the other.
A free class to educate voters? I'm OK with it so long as it isn't targeted at a particular group. Considering the state of our government it's worth a shot.
So...you are fine with not letting blacks vote without passing a literacy test, or a test on how the government works...right? As long as it was free..right?
Now you're being absurd. If there were no more guns in the US do you really believe the US murder rate would be unchanged? Likely the number of suicides would also plummet but that is another matter.Outlawing all guns would certainly prevent at least a few murders.
Actually no......our non gun murder rate is higher than the total in Britain........
Non of your proposals will do even that.
Our concept of locking up criminals who commit crimes with guns...will actually save lives.....
Obviously the vast majority of gun owners don't ever commit a crime. However, 100% of criminals who use guns began life as people with no history of violence and crime.No it isn't.....you are falling for the anti gun argument that normal people turn into killers and criminals simply because they have a gun...that is a lie...that is a myth......There are repeat offenders for sure and I agree with you that they require tough measures. Unfortunately it's hard to tell the good guys from the future bad guys until it is too late.
Now you're being absurd. If there were no more guns in the US do you really believe the US murder rate would be unchanged? Likely the number of suicides would also plummet but that is another matter.Outlawing all guns would certainly prevent at least a few murders.
Actually no......our non gun murder rate is higher than the total in Britain........
Non of your proposals will do even that.
Our concept of locking up criminals who commit crimes with guns...will actually save lives.....
Obviously the vast majority of gun owners don't ever commit a crime. However, 100% of criminals who use guns began life as people with no history of violence and crime.No it isn't.....you are falling for the anti gun argument that normal people turn into killers and criminals simply because they have a gun...that is a lie...that is a myth......There are repeat offenders for sure and I agree with you that they require tough measures. Unfortunately it's hard to tell the good guys from the future bad guys until it is too late.
Ah - you found a new talking point. Good.We've had more people die in this country from gun violence since 2001 than all U.S. soldiers during WWII. We've had more people die in the past 6 weeks from gun violence than terrorism since 2001.
If by 'spreading" you mean "falling like a rock", then yes.What, exactly, is an epidemic to you? Gun violence fits all the definitions of one. And it's spreading.
And now... suggest something that could actually happen.If you are looking for a law that will prevent ALL murders you're asking the impossible. If you are looking for a law that will prevent a few murders you're asking something easy.My position is obvious:
Laws cannot prevent actions; a law cannot prevent someone from breaking another law.
Enacting a law that restricts the tights of the law abiding based on the false premise that a law can prevent someone from breaking another law is, at best, nonsensical.
You believe I am wrong?
Why don't you propose a law that will prevent people form committing murder?
Do that and we won't need more gun control.
Outlawing all guns would certainly prevent at least a few murders.
Why do yo not understand that any kind of competency test for the exercise of a right violates the constitution?A literacy test is your suggestion and it fails my test: "I'm OK with it so long as it isn't targeted at a particular group" since it is aimed at illiterates and blacks. I proposed a civics course, written or oral, given in the persons preferred language.
Actually you can and should have a test in some cases. The "right of the people peaceably to assemble" is usually restricted for reasons of public safety. In order to hold a large rally you must first prove you can provide for sanitation and security of the assemblage.Sorry.....you can't have a test of any kind for a basic Right......that isn't how Rights work....do you propose that all journalists register with the government and have their sources and stories vetted by federal agents? Basic Rights do not have to be applied for ....they exist wether you like them or not.
8124 murders with a firearm... 357,000,000 guns.So 8,124 lives is an acceptable number?And yet drugs are are used and people speed.........357,000,000 guns in private hands less than 8,124 of them are so see to commit mirder...our gun laws already work.....
