Happy Hiroshima Day!

[RetiredGySgt]

They are not, no matter how badly you need to cling to a comfortable narrative.

I am still waiting for even a single concrete verifiable offer made before Japan surrendered.

 

[elektra]

Victory over Japan day, we are celebrating here in Rhode Island. In Moosup Ct. we have a parade today to celebrate.

The Revisionist, American Marxists, USA Haters, all have their own cherry picked version of history. They must be vague, citing webpages that may refer to a book they never read. They never offer a scholarly piece of research of their own. They may claim or present material but it is typically citing other revisionist garbage that is as poorly researched.

The fact remains, two Nuclear Bombs forced the Japanese Emperor to surrender, while many of the Japanese fought to continue the war.

Yes, we killed Japanese, who fought as a country, not as individuals, which saved individual Americans lives, who had a right to live, who as a country we were responsible to save.

 

[Unkotare]

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Yes, we killed Japanese, who fought as a country, not as individuals,...

And if the Germans had developed an ICBM that destroyed American cities, you would have accepted the same reasoning?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And if the Germans had developed an ICBM that destroyed American cities, you would have accepted the same reasoning?

Germany already indiscriminately bombed cities. If they could have they would have bombed American cities.

 

[Unkotare]

And if the Germans had developed an ICBM that destroyed American cities, you would have accepted the same reasoning?

Hello?

 

[Jarlaxle]

bullshit .....even after both bombs, the vote to surrender was tied ......

And surrendering nearly got Hirohito assassinated.

 

[Jarlaxle]

NO. That was fine for Germany and Italy but not for Japan. Japan needed to be humiliated and punished for their mistake in December of 1941. They needed to be reminded of their true place in the world. The fact that they are not STILL under US rule is disgusting in my mind.

The fact that neither Germany nor Japan were treated like Carthage was a tracesty.

 

[Weatherman2020]

They are not, no matter how badly you need to cling to a comfortable narrative.

You keep saying Japan offered a peace agreement. Well yes they did. TWO DAYS AFTER NAGASAKI

 

[Unkotare]

You keep saying Japan offered a peace agreement. ...

No I didn't.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No need for unconditional surrender, unless you’re a murderous imperialist.

Yeah, what Amerikkka did to post war Japan and Germany was one of the worst war crimes in humanity!

 

[Weatherman2020]

No I didn't.

I can’t keep with your editing and deleting posts.
Once again, you claim to never say anything, just whine.

 

[Unkotare]

I can’t keep with your editing and deleting posts.
Once again, you claim to never say anything, just whine.

I say lots of things. You just need to develop stronger reading skills.

 

[mikegriffith1]

One of the best books on the American debate about the nuking of Japan is Dr. Martin Harwit's book An Exhibit Denied: Lobbying the History of Enola Gay (1996). Dr. Harwit was the director of the Smithsonian Institution when the Air Force Association and the American Legion pressured Congress into forcing the museum to scrap its perfectly factual and balanced exhibit for the 50th anniversary of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. These veterans groups, presuming to speak for all veterans, simply did not care that the vast majority of scholars who got involved in the controversy supported the museum's exhibit.

Harwit describes meetings with American Legion and Air Force Association leaders where presentations of facts that supported the exhibit were met with angry summary dismissals. They simply did not want to hear the facts but wanted to perpetuate the Truman administration's myth that nuking Japan ended the war early and saved "hundreds of thousands" of American lives.

These "leaders" who presumed to speak for all veterans did not even want the exhibit to include any pictures of the victims of the atomic bombings, lest anyone get the slightest idea that nuking hundreds of thousands of civilians was barbaric and inhumane.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The same terms we eventually agreed to anyway.

No we didn't. The Japanese surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY. We decided to emasculate the Emperor and keep him on the throne to make it easier for Mac to govern Japan.

 

[Unkotare]

No we didn't. ....

Oh yes we did. The one condition that was a sticking point was given in the end anyway. Deny all you want, but that is what happened.

 

[Mushroom]

No we didn't. The Japanese surrendered UNCONDITIONALLY. We decided to emasculate the Emperor and keep him on the throne to make it easier for Mac to govern Japan.

Here is the thing. The Emperor never had power. Not before the war, not after the war.

He had always been a figurehead, that did nothing but sit and watch as all the decisions were made around him. He could not even speak in his Imperial Council, just listen. The only time he ever had a vote or voice is if the council was hopelessly deadlocked. Which happened exactly once.

The Emperor was not like Napoleon, Queen Vicky, or the Tsar or Kaiser. They had been a "Hands Off" authority for hundreds of years. With everything about their government being done in their name by others.

 

[elektra]

And if the Germans had developed an ICBM that destroyed American cities, you would have accepted the same reasoning?

We did not use ICBM's against Japan, idiot!

 

[Unkotare]

We did not use ICBM's against Japan, idiot!

I never said that we had. Can you read?

 

[fncceo]

is the same as bombing a military base that killed no civilians and a fraction on military personnel.

In total, 49 civilians were killed and 35 wounded during the attack on Oahu

 

[elektra]

And yes, we beat the terrible Japanese, we did so with two bombs. Do we care how many people died? Of course. Should how many of the enemy dying determine how we should end the war? Of course not.

Were the Japanese beat, did the Japanese lose, before the bombs were dropped? No, they kept fighting. They kept killing. The idea that we should not end the war quickly when we could starve them slowly for months is simply ludicrous.

But the USSR declared war against Japan? Which resulted in?? The release of our prisoners? No! The end of war, no! It was the beginning of another war, not a long war, but it began another war in which the Japanese fought for another 3 weeks!

But Eisenhower said... Eisenhower was shown to be a liar, Eisenhower changed his story on what was said to Stimson many times in multiple books. Pick which, "truth" you care to believe.

I can, and have gone throught every single argument the cry-babies offer. Not one argument they make, makes their case, that the bombs did not end the war.

I have read all the books they cherry pick, in all cases the books contradict those who reference them. Eisenhower is the easiest example.

Did we have to bomb Japan? No, we could of allowed dozens, hundreds, thousands, of Americans to die. After all, our president takes an oath to protect our enemies?????

The indisputable fact is, the Emperor of Japan had the power, and used his power to end the war after the bombing of Nagasaki. That is a fact written forever, in history.