Happy Hiroshima Day!

[Unkotare]

Unkotare you prove to be a hater and a racist.......

You're nothing but a clown show now, liar. Go laugh to yourself in the corner.

 

[Mushroom]

Here, here is what Japan was trying to get right before August.

The sole Japanese diplomatic effort sanctioned by the key Japanese leadership was to secure the Soviet Union as a mediator to negotiate an end to the war. That effort ran through Sato. Decoded Japanese cables made American leaders fully aware that none of the Japanese diplomatic or military representatives in Europe who presented themselves as seeking peace on behalf of Japan carried actual sanction.

Japan’s one authorized diplomatic initiative required two things: 1) concessions that would enlist the Soviets as mediators; and 2) Japanese terms to end the war. Sato relentlessly exposed the fact that Japan never completed either of these two fundamental steps.

When Togo presented a pledge not to retain Japan’s conquests as “concessions” to secure Soviet mediation, Sato’s scathing reply was “How much effect do you expect our statements regarding the non-annexation and non-possession of territories which we have already lost or are about to lose will have on the Soviet authorities?” He added that mere “abstract statements” on concessions, which he slammed as “pretty little phrases devoid of all connection with reality,” would have no impact on “extremely realistic” Soviet authorities.

And he then inserted the knife thrust: “If the Japanese empire is really faced with the necessity of terminating the war, we must first of all make up our minds to terminate the war.” Sato thus charged that Japan’s leaders still lacked a real intent to end the war.

Togo’s reply acknowledged that Tokyo knew securing Soviet services for a proposal to send Prince Fumimaro Konoe, a former prime minister, to Moscow for talks would be difficult. Togo affirmed that Japan would not accept anything like unconditional surrender. Konoe represented the will of the emperor and he would have “positive intentions” to “negotiate details” to set up “a cooperative relationship between Japan and Russia.” Again, Togo only offered more of the “pretty little phrases” Sato had condemned.

"Pretty Little Phrases": Japanese Diplomacy in 1945 | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans

Misguided Japanese diplomacy in 1945 helped to ensure that the war would not have a peaceful end.

www.nationalww2museum.org

This is the insanity of Japan at the end. Quite literally offering to give up land they had already lost, while promising that they would not invade land they were about to lose.

It was like Hitler raving in his bunker, ordering units around on a pretty map that had ceased to exist weeks before.

 

[Mushroom]

You're nothing but a clown show now, liar. Go laugh to yourself in the corner.

Yet you still can not present anything as evidence, other than a single decades old clipping of anything that any of the Allied Powers would have accepted.

 

[Unkotare]

.... What offer? ...

Article clipped from Chicago Tribune

Clipping found in Chicago Tribune published in Chicago, Illinois on 8/14/1965.

www.newspapers.com

 

[Unkotare]

... A single offer extended to anybody that was remotely acceptable.

...

 

[Mushroom]

Article clipped from Chicago Tribune

Clipping found in Chicago Tribune published in Chicago, Illinois on 8/14/1965.

www.newspapers.com

You are aware that proves nothing, right?

That is all you ever respond with. It means nothing, it gives no information, but you have some kind of fetish for it.

Is that what Poopy puts over his head when "playing"? IS that why you love that one single reference so much, even though it means nothing?

 

[Mushroom]

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Even their own Ambassador said it was a joke.

That is not moving goalposts. That is being mentally ill because Japan was literally expecting all the Allied powers to return all captured islands. ANd remain out of Occupied Territory.

That is not a reasonable demand, that is insanity.

 

[Unkotare]

You are aware that proves nothing, right?

That is all you ever respond with. It means nothing, it gives no information, but you have some kind of fetish for it.

Is that what Poopy puts over his head when "playing"? IS that why you love that one single reference so much, even though it means nothing?

Maybe you are too young to know what a “newspaper” is, but they don’t work unless you read them. I hope that was helpful.

 

[Mushroom]

Maybe you are too young to know what a “newspaper” is, but they don’t work unless you read them. I hope that was helpful.

And once again, Poopy resorts to insults.

Dude, I was probably living in Japan myself before you were born. Back when Emperor Showa was still Reigning in fact. I remember being sad as I watched the ceremonies after he passed.

However, that does not make me blind to what his country was like during his early reign.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Don’t screw with America.

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That was one of USA's worst Crimes Against Humanity.

 

[gipper]

That is what their demand was after the finally submitted after 2 bombs were dropped.

They refused to even discuss Potsdam, and the only attempt they ever made prior to August was a return to 191 lines. But of course with them setting the terms and keeping half the Philippines.

But please, give us a single reference prior to the bomb dropping that showed that they told anybody outside of Japan they were willing to surrender, so long as the Emperor remained.

There are multiple attempts to surrender. You’re uninformed as most Americans are.

 

[Unkotare]

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Dude, I was probably living in Japan myself before you were born. ....

Duuuuude, like, really duuude? So like, duuude, do you know how a newspaper works, duuuuuude?

 

[gipper]

It is surprising to see some conservatives cheering Truman's needless, barbaric nuking of anti-communist Japan. Japan did not "mess with America." FDR refused Japan's reasonable peace offers and provoked Japan to attack Pearl Harbor so he could enter WW II and save his beloved Soviet Union. FDR's and Truman's administrations were heavily penetrated with Soviet spies and sympathizers. A top Soviet policy goal was war between America and Japan, and FDR's disastrous pro-Soviet foreign policy toward Japan played a key role in making that goal become tragic reality.

There was absolutely no need to nuke Japan. Japan was prostrate, starving, and was virtually defenseless against air and naval attack.. Truman knew that most of Japan's leaders, including the emperor, wanted to end the war and were willing to surrender on very reasonable terms.

To say nothing of the absolutely absurd unconditional surrender requirement asshole FDR imposed and Dirty Harry continued. This alone caused the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of Japanese and Americans. Somehow this is ignored by ignorant Americans, but they somehow think the a-bombings were justified.

 

[Weatherman2020]

That was one of USA's worst Crimes Against Humanity.

Electing Biden was.

 

[Weatherman2020]

To say nothing of the absolutely absurd unconditional surrender requirement asshole FDR imposed and Dirty Harry continued. This alone caused the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of Japanese and Americans. Somehow this is ignored by ignorant Americans, but they somehow think the a-bombings were justified.

Yeah, let Japan build up a military again, what could possibly go wrong!

 

[Weatherman2020]

There are multiple attempts to surrender. You’re uninformed as most Americans are.

Again with the lies.
Japan wanted to surrender so bad they attempted a coup to keep the war going.

 

[Weatherman2020]

What do you consider "revised" here?

I’ve yet to hear one alternative from any revisionist that didn’t include absurd lies like Japan was about to surrender anyway.
And you constantly shift to cover for your ignorance/lies.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

A day that shall live in infamy.

Shame.

Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.

It's how all wars are won, which is why we havent won any wars since. Do you even know the atrocities of the Japanese people? They were not innocent.

 

[Unkotare]

I’ve yet to hear one alternative from any revisionist that didn’t include absurd lies like Japan was about to surrender anyway.
And you constantly shift to cover for your ignorance/lies.

You keep saying "revisionist." Exactly what do you see being revised?

 

[Unkotare]

It's how all wars are won, which is why we havent won any wars since. Do you even know the atrocities of the Japanese people? They were not innocent.

So, all the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki committed atrocities?