HOA tells local police chaplain to remove ‘thin blue line’ flag

[martybegan]

It’s time to take action against these insane Commies.

HOA tells local police chaplain to remove ‘thin blue line’ flag

DENVER (KDVR) – A local police chaplain says his homeowners association is demanding he take down his “thin blue line” American flag. It comes at a time when he says the officers he wor…

kdvr.com

He shouldn't support desecrating the flag.

How is that desecrating the flag?

Altering. Or are you willfully unknowing?

But burning it would be acceptable to you right?

Everyone knows it isn't the Official US Flag, by making it black and white with one blue stripe they are making into something else.

But keep trying to deflect from the point of the thread, it's all you got.

Deflecting? You are the master. SOS

That's all you got, poseur?

 

[martybegan]

HOA's have been doing this forever. You agree to it when you move in. Abide by the rules and you are fine.

HOA's are the definition of the tyranny of petty authority.

Reading the article it seems they are using both lies and a pretty thin justification for asking him to remove it.

He received a notice from his home owners association, saying “it was observed there is a ‘white lives matter flag’” hanging in front of his home. The chaplain says the thin blue line American flag stands for the sacrifice law enforcement officers make.

The letter went on to quote guidelines: “No unsightly article shall be permitted” and said “please remove the items and store them out sight.”

HOA agreements can't remove a person's 1st amendment rights.

And yet they can. I agree with your initial assessment but all the same my statement is still factual.

No contract can remove a person's rights. Even in this case the HOA agreement doesn't explicitly say you can't display political signs or images. The reasoning they give is weak at best.

Sorry, the courts have covered this many times. He signed on when he moved in.

HOA's cannot have content related bans, same as government. If you ban signs, you have to ban all signs, if you ban flags, you have to ban all flags.

 

[martybegan]

HOA's have been doing this forever. You agree to it when you move in. Abide by the rules and you are fine.

The rules don't appear to be applied evenly across the board in this case. HOAs still have to abide by the rules in their charters apply them equally.

Exactly, if they ban political displays, they have to ban ALL political displays.

 

[okfine]

It’s time to take action against these insane Commies.

HOA tells local police chaplain to remove ‘thin blue line’ flag

DENVER (KDVR) – A local police chaplain says his homeowners association is demanding he take down his “thin blue line” American flag. It comes at a time when he says the officers he wor…

kdvr.com

He shouldn't support desecrating the flag.

How is that desecrating the flag?

Altering. Or are you willfully unknowing?

But burning it would be acceptable to you right?

Everyone knows it isn't the Official US Flag, by making it black and white with one blue stripe they are making into something else.

But keep trying to deflect from the point of the thread, it's all you got.

Deflecting? You are the master. SOS

That's all you got, poseur?

For you, yes.

 

[Auld Phart]

It’s time to take action against these insane Commies.

HOA tells local police chaplain to remove ‘thin blue line’ flag

DENVER (KDVR) – A local police chaplain says his homeowners association is demanding he take down his “thin blue line” American flag. It comes at a time when he says the officers he wor…

kdvr.com

He shouldn't support desecrating the flag.

How is that desecrating the flag?

Altering. Or are you willfully unknowing?

Would you back his right to burn it?

 

[okfine]

It’s time to take action against these insane Commies.

HOA tells local police chaplain to remove ‘thin blue line’ flag

DENVER (KDVR) – A local police chaplain says his homeowners association is demanding he take down his “thin blue line” American flag. It comes at a time when he says the officers he wor…

kdvr.com

He shouldn't support desecrating the flag.

How is that desecrating the flag?

Altering. Or are you willfully unknowing?

Would you back his right to burn it?

To burn the desecrated flag, sure.

 

[pknopp]

It’s time to take action against these insane Commies.

HOA tells local police chaplain to remove ‘thin blue line’ flag

DENVER (KDVR) – A local police chaplain says his homeowners association is demanding he take down his “thin blue line” American flag. It comes at a time when he says the officers he wor…

kdvr.com

He shouldn't support desecrating the flag.

How is that desecrating the flag?

Altering. Or are you willfully unknowing?

Would you back his right to burn it?

Does the HOA address burning trash outside?

 

[Auld Phart]

It’s time to take action against these insane Commies.

HOA tells local police chaplain to remove ‘thin blue line’ flag

DENVER (KDVR) – A local police chaplain says his homeowners association is demanding he take down his “thin blue line” American flag. It comes at a time when he says the officers he wor…

kdvr.com

He shouldn't support desecrating the flag.

How is that desecrating the flag?

Altering. Or are you willfully unknowing?

Would you back his right to burn it?

To burn the desecrated flag, sure.

NO.
ANY (Stars and Stripes) American flag

 

[Auld Phart]

It’s time to take action against these insane Commies.

HOA tells local police chaplain to remove ‘thin blue line’ flag

DENVER (KDVR) – A local police chaplain says his homeowners association is demanding he take down his “thin blue line” American flag. It comes at a time when he says the officers he wor…

kdvr.com

He shouldn't support desecrating the flag.

How is that desecrating the flag?

Altering. Or are you willfully unknowing?

Would you back his right to burn it?

Does the HOA address burning trash outside?

trash?
YOUR opinion, not the owners.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

HOA's cannot have content related bans, same as government. If you ban signs, you have to ban all signs, if you ban flags, you have to ban all flags.

It seems to me that HOAs ought to be considered and treated as very localized governments, and subject to the same rules that apply to all levels of government, including a requirement that they abide by the Constitution.

The argument has already been put forth, several times in this thread, that by moving into a neighborhood with an HOA, a resident agrees to be bound by the rules of that HOA, no matter how absurd or arbitrary.

Surely, a similar argument cannot be made about moving into a city, or a state, as far as giving the government of that city or that state license to run roughshod over rights which the Constitution asserts and protects for all Americans living anywhere in the U.S.

I also have to wonder how HOAs are structured, whether those who run them and make the rules are accountable to the residents, in a similar manner to that in which legislators are accountable to their constituents. A lot of the crazy things I hear from time to time, about abuses of power on the part of HOAs, surely would not happen if those abusing that power were accountable to the residents against whom they are committing these abuses.

 

[22lcidw]

HOA's have been doing this forever. You agree to it when you move in. Abide by the rules and you are fine.

Not necessarily.

 

[colfax_m]

HOA agreements can't remove a person's 1st amendment rights.

They absolutely can. Or at least, subject you to civil penalties for failure to comply.

 

[martybegan]

HOA agreements can't remove a person's 1st amendment rights.

They absolutely can. Or at least, subject you to civil penalties for failure to comply.

No, they can't. If they apply a ban, it has to not be content based.

They can ban all flags, but not specific flags.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

HOA's for the most part suck........and have sucked long before this story.....

But overall, I enjoy the neighborhood I live in......nice walking trail and lake to fish in....

 

[colfax_m]

HOA agreements can't remove a person's 1st amendment rights.

They absolutely can. Or at least, subject you to civil penalties for failure to comply.

No, they can't. If they apply a ban, it has to not be content based.

They can ban all flags, but not specific flags.

And what do you base this upon?

 

[martybegan]

HOA agreements can't remove a person's 1st amendment rights.

They absolutely can. Or at least, subject you to civil penalties for failure to comply.

No, they can't. If they apply a ban, it has to not be content based.

They can ban all flags, but not specific flags.

And what do you base this upon?

The fact that a person cannot contractually give away their rights.

 

[colfax_m]

HOA agreements can't remove a person's 1st amendment rights.

They absolutely can. Or at least, subject you to civil penalties for failure to comply.

No, they can't. If they apply a ban, it has to not be content based.

They can ban all flags, but not specific flags.

And what do you base this upon?

The fact that a person cannot contractually give away their rights.

Sure they can. What do you think an NDA is if not a contractual restriction on the right to freedom of speech?

 

[martybegan]

HOA agreements can't remove a person's 1st amendment rights.

They absolutely can. Or at least, subject you to civil penalties for failure to comply.

No, they can't. If they apply a ban, it has to not be content based.

They can ban all flags, but not specific flags.

And what do you base this upon?

The fact that a person cannot contractually give away their rights.

Sure they can. What do you think an NDA is if not a contractual restriction on the right to freedom of speech?

That is a one on one contract, not a quasi-governmental function like a HOA.

and even those NDA's often have holes in them.

 

[colfax_m]

HOA agreements can't remove a person's 1st amendment rights.

They absolutely can. Or at least, subject you to civil penalties for failure to comply.

No, they can't. If they apply a ban, it has to not be content based.

They can ban all flags, but not specific flags.

And what do you base this upon?

The fact that a person cannot contractually give away their rights.

Sure they can. What do you think an NDA is if not a contractual restriction on the right to freedom of speech?

That is a one on one contract, not a quasi-governmental function like a HOA.

and even those NDA's often have holes in them.

An HOA contract is a one on one contract between the home owner and the association.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No, they can't. If they apply a ban, it has to not be content based.

They can ban all flags, but not specific flags.

That depends on what is currently written in their rules