Honest debate: Libs...would the "AR15-pistol" w 10 Rd mag still be an "Assault Weapon"

[Pete7469]

No I don't. And don't think understand that somebody with a ton of ammo and time can reload and fire all day killing hundreds if not stopped. But being able to spray a room and kill hundreds in less than a minute is pretty rediculous, wouldn't you agree? So under that pretense wouldn't you support some level of regulation towards what we legally sell?

Give people a chance to run or react after they hear the first pop. Is that really too much to ask for?

Why are every one of your posts so vacuous? Seriously... Everything I see you, and other moonbats like you post especially on gun issues the most obnoxious, distatched from reality shit that can be found online. There is never a shred of reality or logic to work with and you wonder why we ridicule you.

First of all, a combat load of 5.56mm ammo is 210 rnds. That's 7 mags of 30 rnds. Yes it can be used up quickly, if fact so quickly most fire fights last less than 5 mins. When I was down range I carried 11 mags of 28, and that was heavy as hell.

How much ammo did this muzbot have? 49 rounds? He was in the place for 3 fuckin hours and only killed 49? He must not have had a "ton of ammo" because obviously to anyone who has carried ammo a few hundred rnds will get them out of a real shitty place.

If this asshole had 300 rnds and only killed 49 people, he didn't "spray" anything. He took careful trigger pulls and knew what he was doing.

Of course you have no idea what he had, or what he did beyond the fact some queers like you got a fast road to hell rather than AIDS. You're just another reactionary moonbat who refuses to reform from the draconian anti-self defense laws perpetuated by the racist democrook party.

 

[RandallFlagg]

No I don't. And don't think understand that somebody with a ton of ammo and time can reload and fire all day killing hundreds if not stopped. But being able to spray a room and kill hundreds in less than a minute is pretty rediculous, wouldn't you agree? So under that pretense wouldn't you support some level of regulation towards what we legally sell?

Give people a chance to run or react after they hear the first pop. Is that really too much to ask for?

Why are every one of your posts so vacuous? Seriously... Everything I see you, and other moonbats like you post especially on gun issues the most obnoxious, distatched from reality shit that can be found online. There is never a shred of reality or logic to work with and you wonder why we ridicule you.

First of all, a combat load of 5.56mm ammo is 210 rnds. That's 7 mags of 30 rnds. Yes it can be used up quickly, if fact so quickly most fire fights last less than 5 mins. When I was down range I carried 11 mags of 28, and that was heavy as hell.

How much ammo did this muzbot have? 49 rounds? He was in the place for 3 fuckin hours and only killed 49? He must not have had a "ton of ammo" because obviously to anyone who has carried ammo a few hundred rnds will get them out of a real shitty place.

If this asshole had 300 rnds and only killed 49 people, he didn't "spray" anything. He took careful trigger pulls and knew what he was doing.

Of course you have no idea what he had, or what he did beyond the fact some queers like you got a fast road to hell rather than AIDS. You're just another reactionary moonbat who refuses to reform from the draconian anti-self defense laws perpetuated by the racist democrook party.

You're wasting your time here making sense. Liberals couldn't care less. It wasn't a terrorist attack by an ISIS supporter. There was no shooter there. The AUTOMATIC AR15 ran into the club and shot nearly 100 people.

Then, the AR15 was followed by RPGs, M2s, and one pissed off flame thrower joined in on the fun.

You can make all the sense in the world yet these liberal, ISIS supporting, America hating, killers of 50 million babies, will never listen.

 

[RandallFlagg]

No. It does not.
Neither restriction will prevent shootings like that in Orlando.

It may not prevent the shooting from happening but it could reduce body counts.

Unless you confiscate existing firearms and magazines, it will do nothing to prevent their use in another shooting.
Thus, no effect on body counts.

Not true at all... It's a question of ease of access.

Millions upon millions of 'assault weapons' and hi-cap magazines are already in the hands of the public.
Why do you thiink access will be an issue?

If I wanted to get a machine gun or weapon that was banned or regulated, I would have no clue where to get one. Being able to go to a store and buy a weapon is very different than finding a seller in the black market. You must understand this

Jesus guy....go to democrat controlled Chicago, look for the thugs hanging out on the street corner and show them your cash. If they don't shoot your honkey ass and take your money, they will gladly sell you anything you want.

Damn, but you white boys are shor nuff dumb.....

 

[RandallFlagg]

No I don't. And don't think understand that somebody with a ton of ammo and time can reload and fire all day killing hundreds if not stopped. But being able to spray a room and kill hundreds in less than a minute is pretty rediculous, wouldn't you agree? So under that pretense wouldn't you support some level of regulation towards what we legally sell?

Give people a chance to run or react after they hear the first pop. Is that really too much to ask for?

Why are every one of your posts so vacuous? Seriously... Everything I see you, and other moonbats like you post especially on gun issues the most obnoxious, distatched from reality shit that can be found online. There is never a shred of reality or logic to work with and you wonder why we ridicule you.

First of all, a combat load of 5.56mm ammo is 210 rnds. That's 7 mags of 30 rnds. Yes it can be used up quickly, if fact so quickly most fire fights last less than 5 mins. When I was down range I carried 11 mags of 28, and that was heavy as hell.

How much ammo did this muzbot have? 49 rounds? He was in the place for 3 fuckin hours and only killed 49? He must not have had a "ton of ammo" because obviously to anyone who has carried ammo a few hundred rnds will get them out of a real shitty place.

If this asshole had 300 rnds and only killed 49 people, he didn't "spray" anything. He took careful trigger pulls and knew what he was doing.

Of course you have no idea what he had, or what he did beyond the fact some queers like you got a fast road to hell rather than AIDS. You're just another reactionary moonbat who refuses to reform from the draconian anti-self defense laws perpetuated by the racist democrook party.

Indeed. Check this out: My Sig Sauer SP2022 (The cheapest Sig pistol) could carry a 15+1 magazine. I could carry two mags in each pocket (total 30 rounds per pocket) for a grand total of 76 rounds.

And yet these fools are terrified of a 30 round mag.....

 

[Pete7469]

You're wasting your time here making sense. Liberals couldn't care less. It wasn't a terrorist attack by an ISIS supporter. There was no shooter there. The AUTOMATIC AR15 ran into the club and shot nearly 100 people.

Then, the AR15 was followed by RPGs, M2s, and one pissed off flame thrower joined in on the fun.

You can make all the sense in the world yet these liberal, ISIS supporting, America hating, killers of 50 million babies, will never listen.

 

[RandallFlagg]

You're wasting your time here making sense. Liberals couldn't care less. It wasn't a terrorist attack by an ISIS supporter. There was no shooter there. The AUTOMATIC AR15 ran into the club and shot nearly 100 people.

Then, the AR15 was followed by RPGs, M2s, and one pissed off flame thrower joined in on the fun.

You can make all the sense in the world yet these liberal, ISIS supporting, America hating, killers of 50 million babies, will never listen.

These ISIS loving Dems will be blaming Bush for the next 40 years....

 

[there4eyeM]

from Wikipedia:
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5] Assault rifles were first used during World War II. Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept after World War II, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world's armies, replacing battle rifles and sub-machine guns. Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.

The Germans were the first to pioneer the assault rifle concept, during World War II, based upon research that showed that most firefights happen within 400 metres (1,300 ft) and that contemporary rifles were over-powered for most small arms combat.[6][7][8][9][10] They sought to develop a select-fire intermediate powered rifle combining the firepower of a submachine gun with the accuracy and range of a rifle.[6][7][8][9][10] This was done by shortening the standard 7.92×57mm cartridge to 7.92×33mm and giving it a lighter 125 grain bullet, that limited range but allowed for more controllable automatic fire.[7][8][9][10][6] A smaller, lighter cartridge also allowed soldiers to carry more ammunition "to support the higher consumption rate of automatic fire."[6]

The result was the Sturmgewehr 44, which the Germans produced in large numbers; approximately half a million were made.[7][8][9][10] Unlike previous rifle designs it introduced an over-the-barrel gas system, straight stock and pistol grip to reduce recoil and improve handling characteristics.[6] "The principle of this weapon...was probably the most important advance in small arms since the invention of smokeless powder."[6]

The First 8 words in your post more than prove that an AR15 is NOT a ASSAULT rifle. There IS NO select fire switch on the AR. NOWHERE.

Turn one of these into semi-auto only and it does not technically fall under this definition, correct. It can be exactly the same mechanism, fire the same round at the same rate in semi-auto, but lacking the little switch, it is not a military definition assault rifle. The AR 15 is a semi-auto M 16.

 

[Chuz Life]

from Wikipedia:
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5] Assault rifles were first used during World War II. Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept after World War II, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world's armies, replacing battle rifles and sub-machine guns. Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.

The Germans were the first to pioneer the assault rifle concept, during World War II, based upon research that showed that most firefights happen within 400 metres (1,300 ft) and that contemporary rifles were over-powered for most small arms combat.[6][7][8][9][10] They sought to develop a select-fire intermediate powered rifle combining the firepower of a submachine gun with the accuracy and range of a rifle.[6][7][8][9][10] This was done by shortening the standard 7.92×57mm cartridge to 7.92×33mm and giving it a lighter 125 grain bullet, that limited range but allowed for more controllable automatic fire.[7][8][9][10][6] A smaller, lighter cartridge also allowed soldiers to carry more ammunition "to support the higher consumption rate of automatic fire."[6]

The result was the Sturmgewehr 44, which the Germans produced in large numbers; approximately half a million were made.[7][8][9][10] Unlike previous rifle designs it introduced an over-the-barrel gas system, straight stock and pistol grip to reduce recoil and improve handling characteristics.[6] "The principle of this weapon...was probably the most important advance in small arms since the invention of smokeless powder."[6]

The First 8 words in your post more than prove that an AR15 is NOT a ASSAULT rifle. There IS NO select fire switch on the AR. NOWHERE.

Turn one of these into semi-auto only and it does not technically fall under this definition, correct. It can be exactly the same mechanism, fire the same round at the same rate in semi-auto, but lacking the little switch, it is not a military definition assault rifle. The AR 15 is a semi-auto M 16.

You could swap the hemi motor out of a top fuel dragster with four banger from a ford pinto too. . . But of you do so, would it still be much of a threat to any of its competitors?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Honest question. Today on Fox morning a liberal anti gun activist wouldn't define "assault weapon". I'm open to the gun debate but we must have parameters. Of course.

So....libs....would an AR-15 pistol with a 10 round magazine still be an "Assault Weapon"? Here's an example. This is the "pistol" version of an AR15. .223 bullet. Let's say they were limited to a 10 or 15 round mag.

Is it still an Assault Weapon? Why or why not?

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30 round mag pictured.

It's functionally the exact same weapon. Same ammo, mags, and rate of fire. Only a shorter barrel and stock.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They should be able to intelligently tell me if the AR-15 Pistol is still an "Assault Weapon"....though....in fairness...I bet most of them didn't even know such a gun existed. AR-15 Pistol??? It's not an oxymoron.

It's a stupid, unpractical weapon. Nothing more than a novelty.

 

[Bassman007]

from Wikipedia:
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5] Assault rifles were first used during World War II. Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept after World War II, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world's armies, replacing battle rifles and sub-machine guns. Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.

The Germans were the first to pioneer the assault rifle concept, during World War II, based upon research that showed that most firefights happen within 400 metres (1,300 ft) and that contemporary rifles were over-powered for most small arms combat.[6][7][8][9][10] They sought to develop a select-fire intermediate powered rifle combining the firepower of a submachine gun with the accuracy and range of a rifle.[6][7][8][9][10] This was done by shortening the standard 7.92×57mm cartridge to 7.92×33mm and giving it a lighter 125 grain bullet, that limited range but allowed for more controllable automatic fire.[7][8][9][10][6] A smaller, lighter cartridge also allowed soldiers to carry more ammunition "to support the higher consumption rate of automatic fire."[6]

The result was the Sturmgewehr 44, which the Germans produced in large numbers; approximately half a million were made.[7][8][9][10] Unlike previous rifle designs it introduced an over-the-barrel gas system, straight stock and pistol grip to reduce recoil and improve handling characteristics.[6] "The principle of this weapon...was probably the most important advance in small arms since the invention of smokeless powder."[6]

The First 8 words in your post more than prove that an AR15 is NOT a ASSAULT rifle. There IS NO select fire switch on the AR. NOWHERE.

Turn one of these into semi-auto only and it does not technically fall under this definition, correct. It can be exactly the same mechanism, fire the same round at the same rate in semi-auto, but lacking the little switch, it is not a military definition assault rifle. The AR 15 is a semi-auto M 16.

If you turn a full auto gun into a semi auto gun, the gun is still an assault rifle under the law, as it can be converted back to full auto at any time. Newer semi auto guns are civilian legal, because they can not be converted

 

[Hutch Starskey]

These are BOTH Ruger 10/22s

The one on top is no faster nor more deadly than the one on the bottom. And a person CAN assault another person with either one.

..or defend himself and his household....

From whom?
Guns don't work on imagined paranoid specters.

 

[there4eyeM]

from Wikipedia:
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5] Assault rifles were first used during World War II. Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept after World War II, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world's armies, replacing battle rifles and sub-machine guns. Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.

The Germans were the first to pioneer the assault rifle concept, during World War II, based upon research that showed that most firefights happen within 400 metres (1,300 ft) and that contemporary rifles were over-powered for most small arms combat.[6][7][8][9][10] They sought to develop a select-fire intermediate powered rifle combining the firepower of a submachine gun with the accuracy and range of a rifle.[6][7][8][9][10] This was done by shortening the standard 7.92×57mm cartridge to 7.92×33mm and giving it a lighter 125 grain bullet, that limited range but allowed for more controllable automatic fire.[7][8][9][10][6] A smaller, lighter cartridge also allowed soldiers to carry more ammunition "to support the higher consumption rate of automatic fire."[6]

The result was the Sturmgewehr 44, which the Germans produced in large numbers; approximately half a million were made.[7][8][9][10] Unlike previous rifle designs it introduced an over-the-barrel gas system, straight stock and pistol grip to reduce recoil and improve handling characteristics.[6] "The principle of this weapon...was probably the most important advance in small arms since the invention of smokeless powder."[6]

The First 8 words in your post more than prove that an AR15 is NOT a ASSAULT rifle. There IS NO select fire switch on the AR. NOWHERE.

Turn one of these into semi-auto only and it does not technically fall under this definition, correct. It can be exactly the same mechanism, fire the same round at the same rate in semi-auto, but lacking the little switch, it is not a military definition assault rifle. The AR 15 is a semi-auto M 16.

If you turn a full auto gun into a semi auto gun, the gun is still an assault rifle under the law, as it can be converted back to full auto at any time. Newer semi auto guns are civilian legal, because they can not be converted

It would take some modification, certainly. In many cases, a machine shop could do it. But, that's nitpicking, perhaps.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They should be able to intelligently tell me if the AR-15 Pistol is still an "Assault Weapon"....though....in fairness...I bet most of them didn't even know such a gun existed. AR-15 Pistol??? It's not an oxymoron.

Easy answer. Take the receiver, clip, bolt and internals, put on a pistol grip with no stock, put on a 4.25 in barrel and you have an AR-15 Pistol. Up close (closer than 50 yds) it's as deadly as the full sized AR-15. Now, put a 3 round mag and learn to bump shoot it and you have, basically, a 556 chambered automatic grease gun.

Sounds perfect for shooting a hundred people in an enclosed space like a nightclub.

 

[Bassman007]

from Wikipedia:
An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5] Assault rifles were first used during World War II. Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept after World War II, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world's armies, replacing battle rifles and sub-machine guns. Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.

The Germans were the first to pioneer the assault rifle concept, during World War II, based upon research that showed that most firefights happen within 400 metres (1,300 ft) and that contemporary rifles were over-powered for most small arms combat.[6][7][8][9][10] They sought to develop a select-fire intermediate powered rifle combining the firepower of a submachine gun with the accuracy and range of a rifle.[6][7][8][9][10] This was done by shortening the standard 7.92×57mm cartridge to 7.92×33mm and giving it a lighter 125 grain bullet, that limited range but allowed for more controllable automatic fire.[7][8][9][10][6] A smaller, lighter cartridge also allowed soldiers to carry more ammunition "to support the higher consumption rate of automatic fire."[6]

The result was the Sturmgewehr 44, which the Germans produced in large numbers; approximately half a million were made.[7][8][9][10] Unlike previous rifle designs it introduced an over-the-barrel gas system, straight stock and pistol grip to reduce recoil and improve handling characteristics.[6] "The principle of this weapon...was probably the most important advance in small arms since the invention of smokeless powder."[6]

The First 8 words in your post more than prove that an AR15 is NOT a ASSAULT rifle. There IS NO select fire switch on the AR. NOWHERE.

Turn one of these into semi-auto only and it does not technically fall under this definition, correct. It can be exactly the same mechanism, fire the same round at the same rate in semi-auto, but lacking the little switch, it is not a military definition assault rifle. The AR 15 is a semi-auto M 16.

If you turn a full auto gun into a semi auto gun, the gun is still an assault rifle under the law, as it can be converted back to full auto at any time. Newer semi auto guns are civilian legal, because they can not be converted

It would take some modification, certainly. In many cases, a machine shop could do it. But, that's nitpicking, perhaps.

A newer gun can not be converted, it's that simple, an older gun could be converted by anyone with basic skills. To convert a newer gun you are actually building a new gun which though possible is neither practical or legal.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yep, legally, why make it easy for them? What's the down side?

The down side is that the Government has no transparency in who is on the list and what the criteria is for them putting you on the list.

First off, we are talking about a million people, I would guess most belong on the list. However why is it not until gun control that you actually care about the civil rights of people on the lists? I don't remember wingnuts caring about people on the no fly list right to travel, how come? Anyway, there should be proper channels for people to appeal their designation on the list. I think the Democrats have that in their plan.

You have not answered my other questions. Why not? How are you going to keep anyone on a terrorist watch list from getting a gun ILLEGALLY? And, what are you going to do about anyone who is on one of those lists who already HAVE guns?

I did answer your question. You can't keep people from ilegally buying weapons via gun control laws. What you can do is shut down gun show and private sale loop holes, have an effectual background check system and keep terrorists and others from easily buying legal weapons. I wouldn't expect that to solve everything.

Just like banning medication without a prescription to block all sales of illegal prescription medication. Doesn't mean we should open up psych medicine to the masses.

There is no gun show loophole.....and the Orlando shooter would have passed a universal background check...as would all the other mass shooters......and the ones who didn't murdered and stole the guns.....

France has a comprehensive system to keep terrorists from getting legal weapons....they don't sell them.....rifles are completely illegal in France, they have no gun shows, they have no gun stores, and you can't buy or own military style rifles...of any kind...AR-15s or fully automatic rifles....they even have terrorists watch lists, and fewer civil rights to block their cops...


And terrorists in France easily got fully automatic rifles even though they were actually on terrorist watch lists and they didn't murder 49 people...they murdered 140 people......

so...tell us how your magical list and magical background checks will stop terrorists again?

There is a gun show loophole in that it's based on the honor system.

I'd like to see the FBI flagged for people who were on the terrorist watch list within the past 5 years. Considering what happened in Orlando that makes sense.

Fuck France, this isn't France stop grasping at straws. The next thing you are going to do is parade around Switzerland until you're asked to endorse their gun policies and then you will duck and run off like you did last time.

Wrong.....all licensed gun stores have to use a background check even when they go to a gun show.


Yeah...France shows your gun control laws are stupid....so you don't want to talk aboutthem....

And the Swiss have fully automatic rifles in their homes by law....and only the military ammunition is kept track of...private ammo is not.....

Any private sale at a gun show could happen across the street....so it is not a loophole....a loophole would allow licensed dealers to sell guns without a background check..that doesn't happen.

And anyone who uses a straw buyer can use one to buy from an individual seller, thus making universal background checks useless.....

The only reason for universal background checks.....to get universal gun registration...that is the only reason.

Wrong.....all licensed gun stores have to use a background check even when they go to a gun show.

Great. Now, are all vendors at a gun show required to be licensed sellers?

Of course not. I can buy a table at the quarterly show down at the VFW. I'm not required to do anything legally except check ID for proper age. Just a private seller selling in public.

 

[Divine Wind]

there would be far few deaths from the mass murders.

You want to restrict the Bill of Rights to save a few lives? Wouldn't you say more lives by banning cars and swimming pools?

 

[Divine Wind]

I guess we have to start somewhere. Stop feeding the supply of assault style (or whatever you want to call them) weapons is a logical first step. But you make a good point that to be more effective the sale and distribution of these weapons should be regulated as well.

You guess? Is that really the smartest way to restrict the rights of American citizens???

"I guess we should confiscate all computers and internet access of people who can't pass an IQ and competency test. It would save lives from online bullying."

 

[jon_berzerk]

Roz Your last sentence is the center piece motivating their agenda. They view a select chosen few as the only qualified individuals possessing firearms. Face it they are genetically engineered to march into the showers without a fight.

well put and particularly accurate

 

[jon_berzerk]

These are BOTH Ruger 10/22s

The one on top is no faster nor more deadly than the one on the bottom. And a person CAN assault another person with either one.

As ignorant as I expected. Have you used either of those iterations? Any firearm? Out of curiosity, what do you think the 10 in 10/22 stands for?

yes but libtards want to ban any mag over 7 and or detachable