House votes to block Syrian refugees

[Meathead]

Obama's vetting process:

 

[Billy_Bob]

Syria hasn't had an effective government in about 10 years. How the fuck do they know who these people are? Most of them were little kids when the government lost control, and don't tell me intelligence services that could preempt the attack on Paris have any clue whatsoever.

Some people are idiotic in their self-righteousness.

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

Surly you know that without verifiable facts it is impossible to vet anyone... Don't you? It won't matter what system is in place, without facts you can't. As a retired LEO, this one point glares like a spot light in your eyes.

 

[Coyote]

Maybe these are the refugees that hate America:
Syrian refugees grateful for haven in Memphis
Disabled Syrian refugee 'so grateful' after special US soap scene - BBC News
Syrian refugees find obstacles in U.S., but also hope
Syrian refugees in Orange County grateful for new life, worry about millions of displaced countrymen

And of course you omit those articles showing the Syrians threatening their hosts in LA and other countries if they dont invoke Sharia law and force all to be Muslims..

Muslim countries refuse to take Muslim refugees, fear terrorism | Pamela Geller

Surely you can find something besides Pam Geller, who has a reputation for posting lies?

Why dont you refute the facts she presents?

Because it's a waste of time going through that crap. Would you waste time refuting a Storm Front article?

 

[Coyote]

Syria hasn't had an effective government in about 10 years. How the fuck do they know who these people are? Most of them were little kids when the government lost control, and don't tell me intelligence services that could preempt the attack on Paris have any clue whatsoever.

Some people are idiotic in their self-righteousness.

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

Surly you know that without verifiable facts it is impossible to vet anyone... Don't you? It wont matter what system is in place, without facts you cant. As a retired LEO this one point glares like a spot light in you eyes.

What makes you think nothing is verifiable? The FBI and Homeland Security haven't said that.

 

[EverCurious]

I'm afraid I'm willing to take all the time it takes to ensure the safety of American's. I don't see the big deal with the refugee's waiting while we ensure that our program is "doing all it can" to do so. What I don't understand, at all, is why you guys are in such a rush to get them in here.

 

[Meathead]

What makes you think nothing is verifiable? The FBI and Homeland Security haven't said that.

You are a ding bat or simply uniformed, very likely both:

The issue of security checks on refugees was called into question by FBI Director James Comey in October, when he told a House committee that checking refugees against a database won't do anything if the U.S. doesn't have any data on these refugees.

"And so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing showing up because we have no record of them," Comey said.

Lynch disputes FBI, says government can screen Syrian refugees

 

[Billy_Bob]

Syria hasn't had an effective government in about 10 years. How the fuck do they know who these people are? Most of them were little kids when the government lost control, and don't tell me intelligence services that could preempt the attack on Paris have any clue whatsoever.

Some people are idiotic in their self-righteousness.

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

Surly you know that without verifiable facts it is impossible to vet anyone... Don't you? It wont matter what system is in place, without facts you cant. As a retired LEO this one point glares like a spot light in you eyes.

What makes you think nothing is verifiable? The FBI and Homeland Security haven't said that.

Experience and training... That is what I use to determine what is fact and what is fiction. I used to investigate people and actions for a living.

 

[Coyote]

I'm afraid I'm willing to take all the time it takes to ensure the safety of American's. I don't see the big deal with the refugee's waiting while we ensure that our program is "doing all it can" to do so. What I don't understand, at all, is why you guys are in such a rush to get them in here.

2-3 yrs isn't "such a rush".

 

[EverCurious]

Good then you shouldn't be throwing a tantrum that us American's want a few months to double check what's up with the vetting program right?

 

[Coyote]

Syria hasn't had an effective government in about 10 years. How the fuck do they know who these people are? Most of them were little kids when the government lost control, and don't tell me intelligence services that could preempt the attack on Paris have any clue whatsoever.

Some people are idiotic in their self-righteousness.

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

Surly you know that without verifiable facts it is impossible to vet anyone... Don't you? It wont matter what system is in place, without facts you cant. As a retired LEO this one point glares like a spot light in you eyes.

What makes you think nothing is verifiable? The FBI and Homeland Security haven't said that.

Experience and training... That is what I use to determine what is fact and what is fiction. I used to investigate people and actions for a living.

I would think that the people doing this are similarly trained and experienced. I can't imagine they would be going on with it if they did not feel reasonably confident that security concerns were not adequately addressed.

 

[Coyote]

Good then you shouldn't be throwing a tantrum that us American's want a few months to double check what's up with the vetting program right?

Depends on whether it's really "a few months" or simpy a means to halt it altogether. Now it's become politicized with the election antics coming up.

 

[Meathead]

Syria hasn't had an effective government in about 10 years. How the fuck do they know who these people are? Most of them were little kids when the government lost control, and don't tell me intelligence services that could preempt the attack on Paris have any clue whatsoever.

Some people are idiotic in their self-righteousness.

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

Surly you know that without verifiable facts it is impossible to vet anyone... Don't you? It wont matter what system is in place, without facts you cant. As a retired LEO this one point glares like a spot light in you eyes.

What makes you think nothing is verifiable? The FBI and Homeland Security haven't said that.

Experience and training... That is what I use to determine what is fact and what is fiction. I used to investigate people and actions for a living.

I would think that the people doing this are similarly trained and experienced. I can't imagine they would be going on with it if they did not feel reasonably confident that security concerns were not adequately addressed.

Hopefully they will be. the intent of the bill that was passed in the House was to ensure it. What is your objection to it then? It clearly seems to be a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Jroc]

Maybe these are the refugees that hate America:
Syrian refugees grateful for haven in Memphis
Disabled Syrian refugee 'so grateful' after special US soap scene - BBC News
Syrian refugees find obstacles in U.S., but also hope
Syrian refugees in Orange County grateful for new life, worry about millions of displaced countrymen

And of course you omit those articles showing the Syrians threatening their hosts in LA and other countries if they dont invoke Sharia law and force all to be Muslims..

Muslim countries refuse to take Muslim refugees, fear terrorism | Pamela Geller

Surely you can find something besides Pam Geller, who has a reputation for posting lies?

Syria hasn't had an effective government in about 10 years. How the fuck do they know who these people are? Most of them were little kids when the government lost control, and don't tell me intelligence services that could preempt the attack on Paris have any clue whatsoever.

Some people are idiotic in their self-righteousness.

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

You need information to vet. Except for a few of their leaders and some guys with British accents, we haven't got a clue. It's not like the have the sign of Cain on their foreheads. Only Obama and his idiot minions would think that.

The FBI acknowledges that there is a risk and they will work hard to mitigate it - no one wants to let in terrorists, but we, as a country should also try to do the right thing and not turn them away as we did with the Jewish refugees. Where's the right balancing point?

Things to know about Syrian refugees and the vetting process

Administration officials have acknowledged that checking the accuracy or authenticity of documents provided by refugee applicants against foreign government records can be especially difficult involving countries that don't cooperate with the U.S. government, such as Syria. It can also complicate U.S. efforts to check foreign government records for local arrests or lesser bureaucratic interactions, such as bank records, business licenses or civil filings. "We do the best we can with the information we have," one U.S. official said.


FBI Director James Comey told Congress weeks ago that the FBI sees a risk with Syrian refugees and "we will work hard to mitigate it." He said the biggest challenge is that a background check is as only as good as the information available. "That's the challenge we are all talking about, is that we can only query against that which we have collected. And so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home but ... there will be nothing show up because we have no record on that person," Comey said.​

There are also alot of lies promoted about this group of refugees - that they are mostly "fighting age men", that they have no documentation, that they are mostly uneducated rubes. According to this articles, the Syrians, as a group tend to have extensive documentation and the vetting process itself is time consuming and pretty extensive.

As for concerns about potential refugees lacking documents to prove who they are, the administration officials said Syrians as a population tend to provide extensive documents involving their day-to-day lives. They often arrive with family histories, military records and other information that can be useful for American authorities investigating them.​

Refugees who spent years waiting for approval to come to the United States said authorities asked detailed questions repeatedly in multiple interviews, including pressing them about their backgrounds and reasons for fleeing Syria. Nedal Al-Hayk, who was resettled in suburban Detroit with his family after a three-year wait, said officials interviewed him and his wife in separate rooms, asking repeatedly and in different ways where they were born, where their parents were born, what they did before and during the war or whether they were armed, part of a rebel group, supportive of the government or even politically outspoken.​

In addition- the refugee process to come into America is the least likely avenue for a potential ISIS jihadist to pursue:

The process has no guarantee of approval and takes so long - Syrians wait nearly three years for approval to come to the U.S. - that experts said it would be a longshot for an extremist group to rely on the refugee program as a way to sneak someone into the United States. The Islamic State group has had far more success appealing to people already living inside the United States to commit or conspire to commit violence.​

I think when you look at all that - and yes, reexamining each step of the way is appropriate - it's a pretty good program. It's inaccurate to compare to refugees entering Europe because the system is very different.

And what would be the real effect of this proposed legislation....? Given the virulent political rhetoric coming out of this, I think this is what is desired.

House Republicans are proposing changes to the refugee vetting process that would include more background checks from the FBI. The proposed legislation, which could be voted on as early as Thursday, would halt refugee processing while the new protocol is established. The bill would require that the heads of the FBI, Homeland Security Department and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence certify that each refugee being admitted would not pose a threat. It could have the practical effect of keeping refugees out of the United States entirely.


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They aren't Jews CAIR girl get through your head

 

[Coyote]

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

Surly you know that without verifiable facts it is impossible to vet anyone... Don't you? It wont matter what system is in place, without facts you cant. As a retired LEO this one point glares like a spot light in you eyes.

What makes you think nothing is verifiable? The FBI and Homeland Security haven't said that.

Experience and training... That is what I use to determine what is fact and what is fiction. I used to investigate people and actions for a living.

I would think that the people doing this are similarly trained and experienced. I can't imagine they would be going on with it if they did not feel reasonably confident that security concerns were not adequately addressed.

Hopefully they will be. the intent of the bill that was passed in the House was to ensure it. What is your objection to it then? It clearly seems to be a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction.

My objection is that what the bill may in fact put a halt to the acceptance of all Syrian immigrants by demanding impossible guarantees. Particularly given we are in an election cycle.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Syria hasn't had an effective government in about 10 years. How the fuck do they know who these people are? Most of them were little kids when the government lost control, and don't tell me intelligence services that could preempt the attack on Paris have any clue whatsoever.

Some people are idiotic in their self-righteousness.

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

Surly you know that without verifiable facts it is impossible to vet anyone... Don't you? It wont matter what system is in place, without facts you cant. As a retired LEO this one point glares like a spot light in you eyes.

What makes you think nothing is verifiable? The FBI and Homeland Security haven't said that.

Experience and training... That is what I use to determine what is fact and what is fiction. I used to investigate people and actions for a living.

I would think that the people doing this are similarly trained and experienced. I can't imagine they would be going on with it if they did not feel reasonably confident that security concerns were not adequately addressed.

Given the Obama Administrations historical ignorance and willful ignoring of facts, this is not a safe bet. Just like Benghazi, are you willing to stake your life and that of your family members on these peoples historical incompetence and agenda driven BS?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

They aren't Jews CAIR girl get through your head

Same hatred, and just as wrong, and of course, from the same types of mental infants.

 

[Coyote]

Speaking of idiotic people, you do realize that we have a completely different vetting process for accepting refugees than Europe...yes?

Surly you know that without verifiable facts it is impossible to vet anyone... Don't you? It wont matter what system is in place, without facts you cant. As a retired LEO this one point glares like a spot light in you eyes.

What makes you think nothing is verifiable? The FBI and Homeland Security haven't said that.

Experience and training... That is what I use to determine what is fact and what is fiction. I used to investigate people and actions for a living.

I would think that the people doing this are similarly trained and experienced. I can't imagine they would be going on with it if they did not feel reasonably confident that security concerns were not adequately addressed.

Given the Obama Administrations historical ignorance and willful ignoring of facts this is not a safe bet.

We're talking about people in Homeland Security and the FBI - they certainly wouldn't stay silent if they felt there was significant risk.

 

[Meathead]

My objection is that what the bill may in fact put a halt to the acceptance of all Syrian immigrants by demanding impossible guarantees. Particularly given we are in an election cycle.

Be a little more liberal with your use of verbs and relative pronouns and a little less knee-jerky liberal politically.

Thank you.

 

[Jroc]

They aren't Jews CAIR girl get through your head

Same hatred, and just as wrong, and of course, from the same types of mental infants.

Jew aren't terrorist. The Jewish religion and later the Christen have went through a reformation. Islam has yet to do that

 

[EverCurious]

We're talking about people in Homeland Security and the FBI - they certainly wouldn't stay silent if they felt there was significant risk.

You're right, that's why they we're stressed that they'd come out and said flat out "we can't vet the Syrian Refugee's" - this is an issue that needs looking into.