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How do you know they are not innate?And what you’re saying is wrong.I'm saying if one believes the material world is all that exists I don't see how someone can derive universal morals while remaining logically consistent.It sounds like the OP needs to meet more atheists. I can't think of another atheist I have met that could be described as materialistic. The same can't be said for religious people. Regardless, I don't stereotype them as more interested in their possessions and physical comfort than what is right or wrong. Since when are humans not animals? Morality, like many other things, was co-opted by religion.
Humans are perfectly capable of developing and adhering to morals and values absent a ‘higher source.’
Morals and values are created by man
If created by man then I would assume they can easily be changed on a whim, and values and rights have no objective worth; so the moral code of Hitler is no "worse" than that of Ghandi.– what’s confusing for so many is that those moral beliefs and values were created behind the façade of religious doctrine and dogma, creating the illusion that morals and values come from a ‘higher source.’
Understanding and acknowledging this fact is perfectly consistent and logical.
where is einstein according to your faith?
Einstein was a cultural Jew like me, My grandparents knew Doctor Einstein, since when his escaped from Germany, he thought the goyim who believed that christian crap were simple minded. I also have a picture and of me at 3 years old and my grandparents and Dr Einsteinwhere is einstein according to your faith?
as i remember, according to jews all people are going to hell?Einstein was a cultural Jew like me, My grandparents knew Doctor Einstein, since when his escaped from Germany, he thought the goyim who believed that christian crap were simple minded. I also have a picture and of me at 3 years old and my grandparents and Dr Einsteinwhere is einstein according to your faith?
Religious belief is subjective and personal – where there is no 'proof' of the existence of a 'higher source.'
Nor is one’s religious belief in of itself ‘proof.’
Your thread premise has failed as a result of a number of logical fallacies and poor reasoning.How do you know they are not innate?And what you’re saying is wrong.I'm saying if one believes the material world is all that exists I don't see how someone can derive universal morals while remaining logically consistent.It sounds like the OP needs to meet more atheists. I can't think of another atheist I have met that could be described as materialistic. The same can't be said for religious people. Regardless, I don't stereotype them as more interested in their possessions and physical comfort than what is right or wrong. Since when are humans not animals? Morality, like many other things, was co-opted by religion.
Humans are perfectly capable of developing and adhering to morals and values absent a ‘higher source.’
Morals and values are created by man
If created by man then I would assume they can easily be changed on a whim, and values and rights have no objective worth; so the moral code of Hitler is no "worse" than that of Ghandi.– what’s confusing for so many is that those moral beliefs and values were created behind the façade of religious doctrine and dogma, creating the illusion that morals and values come from a ‘higher source.’
Understanding and acknowledging this fact is perfectly consistent and logical.
Your thread premise has failed as a result of a number of logical fallacies and poor reasoning.How do you know they are not innate?And what you’re saying is wrong.I'm saying if one believes the material world is all that exists I don't see how someone can derive universal morals while remaining logically consistent.It sounds like the OP needs to meet more atheists. I can't think of another atheist I have met that could be described as materialistic. The same can't be said for religious people. Regardless, I don't stereotype them as more interested in their possessions and physical comfort than what is right or wrong. Since when are humans not animals? Morality, like many other things, was co-opted by religion.
Humans are perfectly capable of developing and adhering to morals and values absent a ‘higher source.’
Morals and values are created by man
If created by man then I would assume they can easily be changed on a whim, and values and rights have no objective worth; so the moral code of Hitler is no "worse" than that of Ghandi.– what’s confusing for so many is that those moral beliefs and values were created behind the façade of religious doctrine and dogma, creating the illusion that morals and values come from a ‘higher source.’
Understanding and acknowledging this fact is perfectly consistent and logical.
Hasty Generalization fallacy: the few are not ‘representative’ of an entire class of persons.
Straw Man fallacy: you contrive the lie that those free from faith “have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal,” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
Appeal to Ignorance fallacy: that there is no evidence that ‘god’ as perceived by theists doesn’t exist is not ‘evidence’ of its existence.
I suppose it's possible for an atheist to believe values come from a higher source than the material world, but to me that just seems logically inconsistent.Straw Man fallacy: you contrive the lie that those free from faith “have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal,” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
I'm an atheist and I don't screw people over because its a dick thing to doMost atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.
This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?
How so? What if they believe values come from spirits or mother nature?I suppose it's possible for an atheist to believe values come from a higher source than the material world, but to me that just seems logically inconsistent.Straw Man fallacy: you contrive the lie that those free from faith “have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal,” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
That still sounds like a "supernatural" explanation, and an atheist believing in anything supernatural just sounds odd to me.How so? What if they believe values come from spirits or mother nature?I suppose it's possible for an atheist to believe values come from a higher source than the material world, but to me that just seems logically inconsistent.Straw Man fallacy: you contrive the lie that those free from faith “have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal,” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
That still sounds like a "supernatural" explanation, and an atheist believing in anything supernatural just sounds odd to me.
Most atheists seem to be against supernatural beliefs entirely, not just beliefs in God specifically.
The seem to be vastly over-represented online tooThat still sounds like a "supernatural" explanation, and an atheist believing in anything supernatural just sounds odd to me.
Most atheists seem to be against supernatural beliefs entirely, not just beliefs in God specifically.
Most Atheists border on insanity, if not teetering over completely.
And I say this as an agnostic.
Jehovah's Witnesses are less pushy with their proselytizing than Atheists are.
Nope. Atheists dont believe in gods. Mother nature isnt a god.That still sounds like a "supernatural" explanation, and an atheist believing in anything supernatural just sounds odd to me.How so? What if they believe values come from spirits or mother nature?I suppose it's possible for an atheist to believe values come from a higher source than the material world, but to me that just seems logically inconsistent.Straw Man fallacy: you contrive the lie that those free from faith “have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal,” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
Most atheists seem to be against supernatural beliefs entirely, not just beliefs in God specifically.
Not nearly as many as the bible thumpersThe seem to be vastly over-represented online tooThat still sounds like a "supernatural" explanation, and an atheist believing in anything supernatural just sounds odd to me.
Most atheists seem to be against supernatural beliefs entirely, not just beliefs in God specifically.
Most Atheists border on insanity, if not teetering over completely.
And I say this as an agnostic.
Jehovah's Witnesses are less pushy with their proselytizing than Atheists are.
Most atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.
This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?
Sounds like a goddess to me. Isn't nature worship animism, a form of belief?Nope. Atheists dont believe in gods. Mother nature isnt a god.That still sounds like a "supernatural" explanation, and an atheist believing in anything supernatural just sounds odd to me.How so? What if they believe values come from spirits or mother nature?I suppose it's possible for an atheist to believe values come from a higher source than the material world, but to me that just seems logically inconsistent.Straw Man fallacy: you contrive the lie that those free from faith “have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal,” when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.
Most atheists seem to be against supernatural beliefs entirely, not just beliefs in God specifically.
Materialism meaning the belief that truth only comes from natural or scientific evidence.Most atheists I have talked to in this day and age more or less have a strictly materialist view of the world, and typically say that man is no different than an animal.
This makes me wonder how atheists can logically justify having morals; for example if rape, torture, or murder aided one's own survival or the survival of one's group why should they be off the table?
I know plenty of materialistic religioius people.
You might not be too familiar with history, but many of our morals and ethics came from non-religious philosophies as well as religious ones.
Makes me wonder what you know about morals.
