How come Lincoln got away with shutting down hundreds of newspapers and jailed journalists

[gipper]

Lincoln would have put Pulitiser in jail with no bail.

Slavery ended everywhere in the West, without bloodshed...except for you know who. Thanks to Dishonest Abe.

Slavery would have ended in the US peacefully too, if only Dishonest Abe hadn't existed.

That's true. Every other country ended racism without a so-called civil war.

There was actually a constitutional amendment introduced to abolish slavery prior to the warm but it didn't get support from Lincoln. Around 1860, I think it was. Nobody ever talks about that, though.

There's a really good book out there that I think many could benefit from reading. The Real Abraham Lincoln, by Tom DiLorenzo.

The Real Lincoln - Wikipedia

Nobody cares..Lincoln is dead..The Civil War is over. The South lost. It's now 2018.

And he has his massive memorial to be adored and worshipped by the masses in DC, along with his partner in crime FDR.

All other Presidents are crap it seems.

We should organize a Dishonest Abe protest and all urinate on the bastard’s Memorial.

Bring Dishonest Abe back and see if he takes the knee during the National Anthem.

He would have the kneelers imprisoned or worse, just as he did those who opposed the HIS war.

 

[TNHarley]

"How come Lincoln got away with shutting down hundreds of newspapers and jailed journalists"
Because it was done to not let traitors get away with destroying their nation.
Otherwise, it wouldn't have been done.

I just find it crazy how you dont bash his tyranny. I really do eye.
Any other time you seem to be against violence. Especially rape and murder

 

[JoeB131]

About 1% of them owned slaves. In fact, poor Southern whites hated and resented the slave owners because they couln't compete with them.

Um, yeah, they still ran off and died for them by the thousands because they couldn't stand the thought of free black men fucking their sisters.

Thing about 'racism' as a word is like I said in the other thread. It's just an ugly form of collectivism. People are viewed and judged as members of groups rather than Individuals. Which is precisely how people get away with lumping the whole south together as 'racists' as a consequence of the actions of the smallest 1%.

Because the other 70% who werent' slaves went along with it... that's the thing.

I don't think most Germans were Nazis... but man, they fought for Hitler to the last old man and little boy...

And at least the Germans felt SOME shame about it afterwards. No one is putting up a statue to Hitler or Rommel and saying what great guys they were.

There's a lot of hstory out there to be read which never sees a textbook in a government school. Just reading the large majority of the available letters written by confederate soldiers clearly indicates tha tthey were fighting against an oppressive government. Not for slavery.

What Cleetus the Redneck thought he was fighting for is kind of irrelevent. I'm sure nobody saves the letter from Bubba who said he was fighting to keep the darkies in their place.

The Civil War was about Slavery... period. All the shit that came later was people wanting to believe their family members who did awful things were good people.

 

[oreo]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

It says right in your article that Lincoln DID NOT interfere into the free press. The problem was that everyone was at WAR especially in the South, and there was no one there to man the press's. You're not going to take a prisoner of war, and send him back home to write his paper.

During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln tried to preserve the tenets of a constitutional democratic republic as set forth by the founders in the Constitution. This proved to be a daunting challenge. After all, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, a power given explicitly to Congress, and his administration arrested more than 14,000 political prisoners and suppressed more than 300 newspapers. Lincoln may not have signed any of the orders that led to the actions taken against critical journalists,

http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf

The free press is what keeps this country free, and it's dictators like Kim Jung Un that will do away with it to take control over the People. And then there's Trump who wants to eliminate the Free Press because they write about him, and with 19 Federal Grand Jury Indictments, 5 guilty plea's, and another 90 Federal Grand Jury criminal charges, that are certain to produce more, OF COURSE he doesn't want media coverage. He wants to control the media instead. Why do you think he's got his own tweety news feed You run for POTUS WTF did you expect?

I don't think I would be comparing Lincoln to Trump.

 

[bripat9643]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

It says right in your article that Lincoln DID NOT interfere into the free press. The problem was that everyone was at WAR especially in the South, and there was no one there to man the press's. You're not going to take a prisoner of war, and send him back home to write his paper.

During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln tried to preserve the tenets of a constitutional democratic republic as set forth by the founders in the Constitution. This proved to be a daunting challenge. After all, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, a power given explicitly to Congress, and his administration arrested more than 14,000 political prisoners and suppressed more than 300 newspapers. Lincoln may not have signed any of the orders that led to the actions taken against critical journalists,

http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf

The free press is what keeps this country free, and it's dictators like Kim Jung Un that will do away with it to take control over the People. And then there's Trump who wants to eliminate the Free Press because they write about him, and with 19 Federal Grand Jury Indictments, 5 guilty plea's, and another 90 Federal Grand Jury criminal charges, that are certain to produce more, OF COURSE he doesn't want media coverage. He wants to control the media instead. Why do you think he's got his own tweety news feed You run for POTUS WTF did you expect?

I don't think I would be comparing Lincoln to Trump.

"If you want to test a man's character, give him power."

- A Lincoln -

Lincoln failed his own test.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Obama supposedly admired Lincoln. While he did not jail journalists, he spied on them

 

[bripat9643]

Obama supposedly admired Lincoln. While he did not jail journalists, he spied on them

Hilter and Josph Stalin also admire Lincoln. He taught them how to run a police state.

 

[oreo]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

It says right in your article that Lincoln DID NOT interfere into the free press. The problem was that everyone was at WAR especially in the South, and there was no one there to man the press's. You're not going to take a prisoner of war, and send him back home to write his paper.

During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln tried to preserve the tenets of a constitutional democratic republic as set forth by the founders in the Constitution. This proved to be a daunting challenge. After all, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, a power given explicitly to Congress, and his administration arrested more than 14,000 political prisoners and suppressed more than 300 newspapers. Lincoln may not have signed any of the orders that led to the actions taken against critical journalists,

http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf

The free press is what keeps this country free, and it's dictators like Kim Jung Un that will do away with it to take control over the People. And then there's Trump who wants to eliminate the Free Press because they write about him, and with 19 Federal Grand Jury Indictments, 5 guilty plea's, and another 90 Federal Grand Jury criminal charges, that are certain to produce more, OF COURSE he doesn't want media coverage. He wants to control the media instead. Why do you think he's got his own tweety news feed You run for POTUS WTF did you expect?

I don't think I would be comparing Lincoln to Trump.

"If you want to test a man's character, give him power."

- A Lincoln -

Lincoln failed his own test.

That's a matter of your racist opinion. The overwhelming majority in this country believe Abraham Lincoln to be one of the greatest Presidents. Second to him many hold Ronald Reagan in high regard.

You elected a man with no honor, no respect, no dignity, no humilty, no decency and the only loyalty he has ever shown to anyone was to himself & Vladimir Putin.

The Republican party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of hate, bigotry, anger, misogyny and ignorance. That's why moderate Republicans are leaving this party in droves. There's really no saving it. It is so divided into sub groups that are continually fighting within themselves they can't get anything done. You have the far right, the ALT right, the Evangelical Wing, the anti establishment wing, & the Tea Party wing. There is room in this party for moderates anymore. So moderates are changing their party status to independent or unaffiliated.
The Number Of Republicans Jumping Ship Thanks To Trump Continues To Rise | HuffPost
Trump is so bad, Hawaii Republicans are leaving the party in droves

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By electing Trump you have effectively killed the Republican party. Click on this link on this board to see the stats on the special elections over the last year, with links and pictures.
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[Natural Citizen]

The Civil War was about Slavery... period.

You're in dire need of reeducation. Respectfully speaking.

 

[Syriusly]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuousA

Well.....lets see......

Lincoln was President during the American Civil War......and the greatest 'war' Trump has faced was his battle against STD's.

I have no problem with anyone pointing out that Lincoln did in fact act unconstitutionally. Congress could have absolutely impeached him for it. I guess they put winning the war ahead at the time.

Trump of course hasn't shut down any newspapers.....yet. Trump just creates fake news- and then lies about the media. In order to convince his gullible followers that they can't believe the media- but they should believe Lying Donny.

 

[Syriusly]

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Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts[/QUOTE]

Please share with us Lincoln's order to rape anyone.

Looking forward to you sharing that- because I am confident you wouldn't be lying.

LOL

 

[Syriusly]

So the end justifies the means? Even when it involves trashing civil, human and constitutional rights?
ONE MAN trashed our rule of law to do what ONE MAN thought was right. Which begs the question; why didnt congress suspend Habeas corpus? I mean, he was in a civil war!!!
If any other ruler does that in todays standards, he is a dictator. A tyrant. He is probably getting overthrown by the CIA and MI6 too..

It begs the question- why didn't Congress impeach him?

Because Congress thought he was doing the right thing at the time. It is pretty easy to sit back now and judge Lincoln- of course we don't have enemy troops less than a hundred miles and the benefit of knowing how it will all turn out.

 

[Syriusly]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

Good links, TN

Our most beloved president was a murderous tyrant.
!

By that standard- virtually all of our President's have been murderers.

 

[Syriusly]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

In May 1864, a New York newspaper published a proclamation signed by President Lincoln calling for the draft of 400,000 more men.

Except it was a total fake intended to incite the people of that city to riot.

And so the forgers were arrested.

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!

He shut down 100s of newspapers and jailed thousands of journalists
BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE
Dont act like that mother fucker was decent or something. Look at what Sherman did!

Sherman won the war.

I certainly don't agree with everything Lincoln did- but he certainly had the balls to get rid of generals who couldn't figure out how to win a war.

 

[Syriusly]

[QU

Obama supposedly admired Lincoln. While he did not jail journalists, he spied on them

Hilter and Josph Stalin also admire Lincoln. He taught them how to run a police state.

Actually Lincoln is admired in countries all over the world. Hell even Lying Donnie considers Lincoln to be our finest President- well after himself.
Donald Trump ranked himself 2nd on a list of most 'presidential' presidents - CNNPolitics

 

[Syriusly]

"How come Lincoln got away with shutting down hundreds of newspapers and jailed journalists"
Because it was done to not let traitors get away with destroying their nation.
Otherwise, it wouldn't have been done.

You have it backwards. Dishonest Abe destroyed the nation. His philosophy was we will kill you and destroy your property to keep you. Most illogical and tyrannical.

Yep- because of President Lincoln- the United States was destroyed- by remaining intact and becoming the most powerful nation on Earth, and bringing our citizens to hither unknown levels of prosperity.

I think most nations on earth would love the chance to be destroyed like that.

 

[Syriusly]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

It says right in your article that Lincoln DID NOT interfere into the free press. The problem was that everyone was at WAR especially in the South, and there was no one there to man the press's. You're not going to take a prisoner of war, and send him back home to write his paper.

During the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln tried to preserve the tenets of a constitutional democratic republic as set forth by the founders in the Constitution. This proved to be a daunting challenge. After all, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, a power given explicitly to Congress, and his administration arrested more than 14,000 political prisoners and suppressed more than 300 newspapers. Lincoln may not have signed any of the orders that led to the actions taken against critical journalists,

http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf

The free press is what keeps this country free, and it's dictators like Kim Jung Un that will do away with it to take control over the People. And then there's Trump who wants to eliminate the Free Press because they write about him, and with 19 Federal Grand Jury Indictments, 5 guilty plea's, and another 90 Federal Grand Jury criminal charges, that are certain to produce more, OF COURSE he doesn't want media coverage. He wants to control the media instead. Why do you think he's got his own tweety news feed You run for POTUS WTF did you expect?

I don't think I would be comparing Lincoln to Trump.

"If you want to test a man's character, give him power."

- A Lincoln -

Lincoln failed his own test.

Lincoln issues Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction - Dec 08, 1863 - HISTORY.com

The proclamation addressed three main areas of concern. First, it allowed for a full pardon for and restoration of property to all engaged in the rebellion with the exception of the highest Confederate officials and military leaders. Second, it allowed for a new state government to be formed when 10 percent of the eligible voters had taken an oath of allegiance to the United States. Third, the Southern states admitted in this fashion were encouraged to enact plans to deal with the freed slaves so long as their freedom was not compromised

 

[Marion Morrison]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

In May 1864, a New York newspaper published a proclamation signed by President Lincoln calling for the draft of 400,000 more men.

Except it was a total fake intended to incite the people of that city to riot.

And so the forgers were arrested.

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!

He shut down 100s of newspapers and jailed thousands of journalists
BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE
Dont act like that mother fucker was decent or something. Look at what Sherman did!

Sherman won the war.

I certainly don't agree with everything Lincoln did- but he certainly had the balls to get rid of generals who couldn't figure out how to win a war.

Sherman was a douchebag.

 

[Syriusly]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

In May 1864, a New York newspaper published a proclamation signed by President Lincoln calling for the draft of 400,000 more men.

Except it was a total fake intended to incite the people of that city to riot.

And so the forgers were arrested.

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!

He shut down 100s of newspapers and jailed thousands of journalists
BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE
Dont act like that mother fucker was decent or something. Look at what Sherman did!

Sherman won the war.

I certainly don't agree with everything Lincoln did- but he certainly had the balls to get rid of generals who couldn't figure out how to win a war.

Sherman was a douchebag.

A winning douchebag.

 

[Marion Morrison]

and trump cant whine about fake news without being accused of being a tyrant? Lincoln actually WAS a tyrant.
Geez, americans are so disingenuous
America's Greatest President: Abraham Lincoln
http://ocean.otr.usm.edu/~w304644/ajha/americanjournalism/fall09.pdf
Im not even going to get started on lincoln sending out sherman to rape, murder pillage and kill livestock and all of his other unconstitutional acts
Im very interested. TIA

In May 1864, a New York newspaper published a proclamation signed by President Lincoln calling for the draft of 400,000 more men.

Except it was a total fake intended to incite the people of that city to riot.

And so the forgers were arrested.

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!

He shut down 100s of newspapers and jailed thousands of journalists
BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE
Dont act like that mother fucker was decent or something. Look at what Sherman did!

Sherman won the war.

I certainly don't agree with everything Lincoln did- but he certainly had the balls to get rid of generals who couldn't figure out how to win a war.

Sherman was a douchebag.

A winning douchebag.

A raping, murdering douchebag.