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Let's just amplify a part of that for any handicapped in the hall..
.......the gross misrepresentation of the findings of a recent scientific paper via press release which appears to skirt awfully close to crossing the line into research misconduct,
Marcott just decided to slap up an attempt at a GLOBAL average temp from cruddy data. HE was HONEST about the limitations. It's the Circus of MORONS that made all kind of UNFOUNDED claims about what all that means --- that was disrespectful and dishonest with science..
Those Citing garbage as a foundation for their work are working on quicksand... and they are fools.... Marcott Et Al did away with the MEW and other warm periods that were inconvenient for the CAGW alarmists.. it was a train wreck from the word go.
Let's just amplify a part of that for any handicapped in the hall..
.......the gross misrepresentation of the findings of a recent scientific paper via press release which appears to skirt awfully close to crossing the line into research misconduct,
Marcott just decided to slap up an attempt at a GLOBAL average temp from cruddy data. HE was HONEST about the limitations. It's the Circus of MORONS that made all kind of UNFOUNDED claims about what all that means --- that was disrespectful and dishonest with science..
Those Citing garbage as a foundation for their work are working on quicksand... and they are fools.... Marcott Et Al did away with the MEW and other warm periods that were inconvenient for the CAGW alarmists.. it was a train wreck from the word go.
It was a train wreck because the Church of GW HAD to have a GLOBAL average -- not just the sparse individual proxy studies that exist. Basically, a scientific suicide mission. Without GLOBAL averaged proxy data -- fools like our warmer zealots here couldn't follow the scriptures..
Unfortunately, the act of attempting to cover the Globe in 1000s of years with a G-string's worth of data -- resulted in no meaningful data at all..
Marcott Et Al did away with the MEW and other warm periods that were inconvenient for the CAGW alarmists.. it was a train wreck from the word go.
I'm sure a fellow as smart as you noticed that the long term graph was labeled "Greenland Dome". It was not global temperatures as were Cook and Nuccitelli's well known escalator graph. Here's a graph of global temperatures throughout the Holocene to the present. These data are from Shaun Marcott's work. I'm sure your familiar with Shaun Marcott.
Note that the HadCRU data to 1990 is well above any prior temperature in the Holocene.
Marcott Et Al did away with the MEW and other warm periods that were inconvenient for the CAGW alarmists.. it was a train wreck from the word go.
Jesus, you two are completely lost. I think you've lost track of your denier memes. Mann's hockeystick was supposed to have made the MEW disappear, not Marcott.
I'm sure a fellow as smart as you noticed that the long term graph was labeled "Greenland Dome". It was not global temperatures as were Cook and Nuccitelli's well known escalator graph. Here's a graph of global temperatures throughout the Holocene to the present. These data are from Shaun Marcott's work. I'm sure your familiar with Shaun Marcott.
Note that the HadCRU data to 1990 is well above any prior temperature in the Holocene.
If CO2 is driving today's temperature trends what was the CO2 level 8000 years ago?
Marcott Et Al did away with the MEW and other warm periods that were inconvenient for the CAGW alarmists.. it was a train wreck from the word go.
Jesus, you two are completely lost. I think you've lost track of your denier memes. Mann's hockeystick was supposed to have made the MEW disappear, not Marcott.
I am not the one who is lost. One of the reasons Mann's Hokey Schtick was supposed to be so dire is the fact he tried to do away with those periods. Marcott Et Al was an attempt to bolster the Hokey Schtick and affirm the lack of the MEWP.
Gawd alarmists cant remember what their talking points are..
RealClimate Response by Marcott et al.
Q: Is the rate of global temperature rise over the last 100 years faster than at any time during the past 11,300 years?
A: Our study did not directly address this question because the paleotemperature records used in our study have a temporal resolution of ~120 years on average, which precludes us from examining variations in rates of change occurring within a century. Other factors also contribute to smoothing the proxy temperature signals contained in many of the records we used, such as organisms burrowing through deep-sea mud, and chronological uncertainties in the proxy records that tend to smooth the signals when compositing them into a globally averaged reconstruction. We showed that no temperature variability is preserved in our reconstruction at cycles shorter than 300 years, 50% is preserved at 1000-year time scales, and nearly all is preserved at 2000-year periods and longer. Our Monte-Carlo analysis accounts for these sources of uncertainty to yield a robust (albeit smoothed) global record. Any small “upticks” or “downticks” in temperature that last less than several hundred years in our compilation of paleoclimate data are probably not robust, as stated in the paper.
Marcott Et Al did away with the MEW and other warm periods that were inconvenient for the CAGW alarmists.. it was a train wreck from the word go.
Jesus, you two are completely lost. I think you've lost track of your denier memes. Mann's hockeystick was supposed to have made the MEW disappear, not Marcott.
I am not the one who is lost. One of the reasons Mann's Hokey Schtick was supposed to be so dire is the fact he tried to do away with those periods. Marcott Et Al was an attempt to bolster the Hokey Schtick and affirm the lack of the MEWP.
Gawd alarmists cant remember what their talking points are..
Have you ever run across this gem @BillieBob ? Interview with Marcott.
RealClimate Response by Marcott et al.
Q: Is the rate of global temperature rise over the last 100 years faster than at any time during the past 11,300 years?
A: Our study did not directly address this question because the paleotemperature records used in our study have a temporal resolution of ~120 years on average, which precludes us from examining variations in rates of change occurring within a century. Other factors also contribute to smoothing the proxy temperature signals contained in many of the records we used, such as organisms burrowing through deep-sea mud, and chronological uncertainties in the proxy records that tend to smooth the signals when compositing them into a globally averaged reconstruction. We showed that no temperature variability is preserved in our reconstruction at cycles shorter than 300 years, 50% is preserved at 1000-year time scales, and nearly all is preserved at 2000-year periods and longer. Our Monte-Carlo analysis accounts for these sources of uncertainty to yield a robust (albeit smoothed) global record. Any small “upticks” or “downticks” in temperature that last less than several hundred years in our compilation of paleoclimate data are probably not robust, as stated in the paper.
Marcott ADMITS there's not a PRAYER of ever seeing (or comparing) the MWP in his data result... THAT'S why I don't fault him personally...
Show us a reliable source that says Marcott is discredited. His paper below is cited by 136 related articles. And, coming from a man who doesn't seem to have a single link to anything, it's a bit hard to take.
Bullshit. The data is good. The people are good. The logic is good. The processing is good. You - oh believer in needless magic - saying otherwise, doesn't mean diddly-squat.
The blind leading the blind.... Alarmist drivel.. Homogenized crap is still crap..Bullshit. The data is good. The people are good. The logic is good. The processing is good. You - oh believer in needless magic - saying otherwise, doesn't mean diddly-squat.
Does anyone actually give two cents worth of credence to warmy "science" any longer? They've been caught cooking the books so many times you need asbestos gloves just to pick them up.
As I've stated previously in this forum, Dr. Patrick Moore, founder of Greenpeace
idiots like Al Gore for instance,
The fact the guy deletes comments shows he disingenuous.
Does anyone actually give two cents worth of credence to warmy "science" any longer? They've been caught cooking the books so many times you need asbestos gloves just to pick them up.
Just another of your cult's many lies. That's why nearly the entire planet correctly considers you to be an acolyte of a liars' cult. Of course, you probably don't realize you're repeating lies, given the thoroughness of your brainwashing. And at this point, you're too emotionally invested in all the lies you've been fed, so you'll react with venom at anyone who points out the lies.
To start your recovery, you should try looking at actual science, instead of restricting yourself exclusively to your cult's websites. Baby steps.
As I've stated previously in this forum, Dr. Patrick Moore, founder of Greenpeace
A fine example of a lie that you've been fed. Moore is not a founder of Greenpeace.
idiots like Al Gore for instance,
Gore Rule invoked. Anyone bringing up Gore forfeits the thread for their side. Better luck in the next thread. Those who can discuss the science, do. Those who can't, they rave about political figures.
IT is not a science website.. it is a propaganda website and he is not any form of scientist. WUWT allows both assenting and dissenting opinions as long as they are civil. The fact that Cook deletes all posts not praising his point of view tells the story..The fact the guy deletes comments shows he disingenuous.
So you're upset because a science blog won't let you come in and shit on the carpet. Don't expect any sympathy.
It's not a discussion blog. It's a science website. Dishonest deniers trying to stink up the place with outright fabrications and temper tantrums get their comments deleted. The grownups won't put up with it. If you crybabies have to throw your tantrums somewhere, you can do it here.
WOW... total ignorance of Patrick Moore's founding participation in Greenpeace. You must be a rabid reader of SKS or Media Splatters.. They like to mislead people. As for science, you really need to stop playing with models and get back into observational science and facts..
