How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm not certain how you would use work to make net radiative flow go from cold to hot.

You couldn't, but I'm just highlighting another problem with his epicycles.

I have to ask. What does that mean: "his epicycles"? I know what an epicycle is. I just don't know what his are.

His original claim was,
"There is no back radiation, because cool air simply won't radiate toward the warmer surface....2nd Law".
Every idiotic claim he's made since then just piles more idiocy onto the original idiotic claim.

except you can't prove back radiation exists. now that's funny.

except you can't prove back radiation exists.

You can't even define back radiation.

you are exactly right. cause it doesn't exist.

DURR...….2nd Law.

 

[jc456]

I have to ask. What does that mean: "his epicycles"? I know what an epicycle is. I just don't know what his are.

His original claim was,
"There is no back radiation, because cool air simply won't radiate toward the warmer surface....2nd Law".
Every idiotic claim he's made since then just piles more idiocy onto the original idiotic claim.

except you can't prove back radiation exists. now that's funny.

except you can't prove back radiation exists.

You can't even define back radiation.

you are exactly right. cause it doesn't exist.

DURR...….2nd Law.

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

His original claim was,
"There is no back radiation, because cool air simply won't radiate toward the warmer surface....2nd Law".
Every idiotic claim he's made since then just piles more idiocy onto the original idiotic claim.

except you can't prove back radiation exists. now that's funny.

except you can't prove back radiation exists.

You can't even define back radiation.

you are exactly right. cause it doesn't exist.

DURR...….2nd Law.

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

flow goes from warm to cold.

Radiation goes from everywhere to everywhere.

 

[jc456]

except you can't prove back radiation exists. now that's funny.

except you can't prove back radiation exists.

You can't even define back radiation.

you are exactly right. cause it doesn't exist.

DURR...….2nd Law.

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

flow goes from warm to cold.

Radiation goes from everywhere to everywhere.

only when it is warm to cold. but don't let that fact slap you in the face.

 

[Crick]

Are you threatening violence against another poster?

The second law does NOT say that radiation cannot flow from cold to warm. SSDD says that and he is the only one who does so. You say it because he says it. But, as you have been told more than once, you are following the WRONG fellow.

Multiple physical laws more fundamental than the Second Law of Thermodynamics tell us that all matter radiates thermal energy all the time in all directions. The only reason you're not seemingly aware of Planck's Law is that SSDD doesn't spout some abortion of its intent so he can try to refute greenhouse warming.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

except you can't prove back radiation exists.

You can't even define back radiation.

you are exactly right. cause it doesn't exist.

DURR...….2nd Law.

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

flow goes from warm to cold.

Radiation goes from everywhere to everywhere.

only when it is warm to cold. but don't let that fact slap you in the face.

only when it is warm to cold

Prove it, with measurements.

 

[SSDD]

Are you threatening violence against another poster?

You really are turning into a little girl aren't you? And is your ability to comprehend what you read really that poor that you construe that statement as a threat to another poster?

The second law does NOT say that radiation cannot flow from cold to warm. SSDD says that and he is the only one who does so. You say it because he says it. But, as you have been told more than once, you are following the WRONG fellow.

Of course it does...sorry that you aren't bright enough to read...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Are you making the claim that radiation is not energy? Is that what you are saying skidmark...go ahead and admit it...you think radiation is something different from energy...

engineer my shiny metal ass..

Multiple physical laws more fundamental than the Second Law of Thermodynamics tell us that all matter radiates thermal energy all the time in all directions.

Which laws would those be skidmark...you have made that claim before but when pressed, you couldn't seem to name a single one of them...care to try again?

The only reason you're not seemingly aware of Planck's Law is that SSDD doesn't spout some abortion of its intent so he can try to refute greenhouse warming.

How about you skip on over to the AGW library and bring us back a two way energy exchange version of Planck's law...never mind...there isn't one...even over in that steaming pile...

 

[SSDD]

Your turning and twisting to thermodynamics doesn't make your point. The 2nd law makes no predictions about radiation exchange. It only puts constraints on radiation exchange.

Of course it does...when it says that it is not possible for heat to flow from a cooler body to a warmer body without doing work to make it happen, that is a prediction about which way heat moves....

And when it says that energy will not flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warmer object, that is a prediction on which way energy moves...

It is quantum mechanics that makes predictions about radiation exchange

predictions..but not a single observed, measured instance of spontaneous energy movement from cool to warm...

Been through all this before and you lost the point every single time...the tedium never ends....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you threatening violence against another poster?

You really are turning into a little girl aren't you? And is your ability to comprehend what you read really that poor that you construe that statement as a threat to another poster?

The second law does NOT say that radiation cannot flow from cold to warm. SSDD says that and he is the only one who does so. You say it because he says it. But, as you have been told more than once, you are following the WRONG fellow.

Of course it does...sorry that you aren't bright enough to read...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Are you making the claim that radiation is not energy? Is that what you are saying skidmark...go ahead and admit it...you think radiation is something different from energy...

engineer my shiny metal ass..

Multiple physical laws more fundamental than the Second Law of Thermodynamics tell us that all matter radiates thermal energy all the time in all directions.

Which laws would those be skidmark...you have made that claim before but when pressed, you couldn't seem to name a single one of them...care to try again?

The only reason you're not seemingly aware of Planck's Law is that SSDD doesn't spout some abortion of its intent so he can try to refute greenhouse warming.

How about you skip on over to the AGW library and bring us back a two way energy exchange version of Planck's law...never mind...there isn't one...even over in that steaming pile...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

And yet you have no sources that say "no photons will flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object" or "no photons will flow spontaneously between objects at equilibrium"

It's like you're making it up again.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your turning and twisting to thermodynamics doesn't make your point. The 2nd law makes no predictions about radiation exchange. It only puts constraints on radiation exchange.

Of course it does...when it says that it is not possible for heat to flow from a cooler body to a warmer body without doing work to make it happen, that is a prediction about which way heat moves....

And when it says that energy will not flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warmer object, that is a prediction on which way energy moves...

It is quantum mechanics that makes predictions about radiation exchange

predictions..but not a single observed, measured instance of spontaneous energy movement from cool to warm...

Been through all this before and you lost the point every single time...the tedium never ends....

Predictions..but not a single observed, measured instance of zero energy movement between objects at equilibrium...

 

[Wuwei]

Your turning and twisting to thermodynamics doesn't make your point. The 2nd law makes no predictions about radiation exchange. It only puts constraints on radiation exchange.

Of course it does...when it says that it is not possible for heat to flow from a cooler body to a warmer body without doing work to make it happen, that is a prediction about which way heat moves....

And when it says that energy will not flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warmer object, that is a prediction on which way energy moves...

It is quantum mechanics that makes predictions about radiation exchange

predictions..but not a single observed, measured instance of spontaneous energy movement from cool to warm...

Been through all this before and you lost the point every single time...the tedium never ends....

Yes we have been through this before. Your problem is not tedium your problem is not believing physics. You have not stated why you think black body radiation fails near a warmer object. Let's hear it. You have been stalling too long with an excuse of tedium which is now tedious itself.


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[jc456]

Are you threatening violence against another poster?

The second law does NOT say that radiation cannot flow from cold to warm. SSDD says that and he is the only one who does so. You say it because he says it. But, as you have been told more than once, you are following the WRONG fellow.

Multiple physical laws more fundamental than the Second Law of Thermodynamics tell us that all matter radiates thermal energy all the time in all directions. The only reason you're not seemingly aware of Planck's Law is that SSDD doesn't spout some abortion of its intent so he can try to refute greenhouse warming.

well dude, just post the observed behavior of cold flowing to warm on it's own. you still can't pass that test. too fking funny.

 

[jc456]

you are exactly right. cause it doesn't exist.

DURR...….2nd Law.

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

flow goes from warm to cold.

Radiation goes from everywhere to everywhere.

only when it is warm to cold. but don't let that fact slap you in the face.

only when it is warm to cold

Prove it, with measurements.

prove what? start a fire and watch the heat rise to the atmosphere. it's quite simple. you must not understand fire.
ever watch steam on hot asphalt? only goes up, never side to side except when there is wind.

take a hot cup of coffee and watch the steam off of it. always straight up.

 

[jc456]

Are you threatening violence against another poster?

You really are turning into a little girl aren't you? And is your ability to comprehend what you read really that poor that you construe that statement as a threat to another poster?

The second law does NOT say that radiation cannot flow from cold to warm. SSDD says that and he is the only one who does so. You say it because he says it. But, as you have been told more than once, you are following the WRONG fellow.

Of course it does...sorry that you aren't bright enough to read...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Are you making the claim that radiation is not energy? Is that what you are saying skidmark...go ahead and admit it...you think radiation is something different from energy...

engineer my shiny metal ass..

Multiple physical laws more fundamental than the Second Law of Thermodynamics tell us that all matter radiates thermal energy all the time in all directions.

Which laws would those be skidmark...you have made that claim before but when pressed, you couldn't seem to name a single one of them...care to try again?

The only reason you're not seemingly aware of Planck's Law is that SSDD doesn't spout some abortion of its intent so he can try to refute greenhouse warming.

How about you skip on over to the AGW library and bring us back a two way energy exchange version of Planck's law...never mind...there isn't one...even over in that steaming pile...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

And yet you have no sources that say "no photons will flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object" or "no photons will flow spontaneously between objects at equilibrium"

It's like you're making it up again.

wash rinse repeat.

 

[jc456]

Your turning and twisting to thermodynamics doesn't make your point. The 2nd law makes no predictions about radiation exchange. It only puts constraints on radiation exchange.

Of course it does...when it says that it is not possible for heat to flow from a cooler body to a warmer body without doing work to make it happen, that is a prediction about which way heat moves....

And when it says that energy will not flow spontaneously from a cool object to a warmer object, that is a prediction on which way energy moves...

It is quantum mechanics that makes predictions about radiation exchange

predictions..but not a single observed, measured instance of spontaneous energy movement from cool to warm...

Been through all this before and you lost the point every single time...the tedium never ends....

Yes we have been through this before. Your problem is not tedium your problem is not believing physics. You have not stated why you think black body radiation fails near a warmer object. Let's hear it. You have been stalling too long with an excuse of tedium which is now tedious itself.


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just post the observed material requested and call it a day? you seem to always fall back on physics. well fine, but now produce the observed evidence of that to which you speak. yet you don't. destroys the physics line.

 

[Muhammed]

How do we know that humans are causing climate change?

Because we are warm blooded mammals.

 

[jc456]

except you can't prove back radiation exists. now that's funny.

except you can't prove back radiation exists.

You can't even define back radiation.

you are exactly right. cause it doesn't exist.

DURR...….2nd Law.

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

flow goes from warm to cold.

Radiation goes from everywhere to everywhere.

I don't disagree with that. it does however maintain the 2nd law restrictions as it happens.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

DURR...….2nd Law.

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

flow goes from warm to cold.

Radiation goes from everywhere to everywhere.

only when it is warm to cold. but don't let that fact slap you in the face.

only when it is warm to cold

Prove it, with measurements.

prove what? start a fire and watch the heat rise to the atmosphere. it's quite simple. you must not understand fire.
ever watch steam on hot asphalt? only goes up, never side to side except when there is wind.

take a hot cup of coffee and watch the steam off of it. always straight up.

start a fire and watch the heat rise to the atmosphere. it's quite simple. you must not understand fire.

Now you're confusing conduction with radiation again.
Is that because you're stupid?

Remember when you claimed that the Sun was hot because of fire?
That was funny.

 

[jc456]

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

flow goes from warm to cold.

Radiation goes from everywhere to everywhere.

only when it is warm to cold. but don't let that fact slap you in the face.

only when it is warm to cold

Prove it, with measurements.

prove what? start a fire and watch the heat rise to the atmosphere. it's quite simple. you must not understand fire.
ever watch steam on hot asphalt? only goes up, never side to side except when there is wind.

take a hot cup of coffee and watch the steam off of it. always straight up.

start a fire and watch the heat rise to the atmosphere. it's quite simple. you must not understand fire.

Now you're confusing conduction with radiation again.
Is that because you're stupid?

Remember when you claimed that the Sun was hot because of fire?
That was funny.

you remain confused derp. we were discussing warm to cold flow. it's obvious you can't answer the problems I stated cause I'm right.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

except you can't prove back radiation exists.

You can't even define back radiation.

you are exactly right. cause it doesn't exist.

DURR...….2nd Law.

flow goes from warm to cold. every one of your cartoons says so.

flow goes from warm to cold.

Radiation goes from everywhere to everywhere.

I don't disagree with that. it does however maintain the 2nd law restrictions as it happens.

I don't disagree with that

Don't tell SSDD you know he's wrong.

it does however maintain the 2nd law restrictions as it happens.

Sounds interesting! Can you post the part of the 2nd Law that mentions restrictions on photons?