How do you expand the middle class

[zeke]

When I was half way through my senior year of HS, I started my tool and die apprenticeship. At graduation from HS, I could go to work at NCR two dozen large tool and die shops or one of a half dozen GM plants. That's not even counting Dayton Tire and Rubber, McCauly Printing or GHR foundry Master Electric and on and on.

NCR furnished my high school machine shop class with the latest and greatest in equipment because they trained their apprentices at our school. All my classmates in machine shop went on to work in industry or tool and die. My apprenticeship was at WPAFB. Along with other top students in high schools around Dayton.

NONE OF THOSE PLACES EXIST TODAY. With the exception of about 8 large tool shops and a handful of guys trying to keep 2 to 5 men shops up and running. Also WPAFB, but they got rid of their machine shops and apprenticeships.

There is a demand for tool and die workers still. But you can't find the students with the math knowledge to do the work. And where as I could be hired right out of school and be a productive worker in a machine shop, the shops today have to train a rookie. And that's expensive for them.

What's the answer? We need to start building everything we need on a day to day basis, right here in America. Like we used to. When we all could have jobs that meant something. Where we could take care of a family. When we could all be productive. Have some pride in what we did. Those days are what I miss.

But they ain't coming back.

 

[The Rabbi]

The average tool and die worker is a guy in his 50s. You are right that kids dont go into that kind of work anymore. In part there's less need as automation has ended many jobs. But a lot of it is simply a mindset.

As far as making everything ourselves, that's idiotic. Once again you betray your lack of knowledge in econ. Go look up specialization as a term of economics.

 

[zeke]

The average tool and die worker is a guy in his 50s. You are right that kids dont go into that kind of work anymore. In part there's less need as automation has ended many jobs. But a lot of it is simply a mindset.

As far as making everything ourselves, that's idiotic. Once again you betray your lack of knowledge in econ. Go look up specialization as a term of economics.

So your limited knowledge of economics also applies to the machine tool industry I see.

And you think that here in the good ole USA that we didn't make appliances, cloths, shoes, etc etc., anything and everything that an American could want to buy was made in the USA. And we all had jobs making these "things". And you think that "idiotic" Wtf?

Automation as it applies to the tool and die industry is another example of your lack of knowledge. There isn't a robot running that a tool maker didn't have a hand in the building of the robot. No metal stamping operation, no matter how automated, could get by without a die builder to keep things up and running.

What is it you said you used to do for a living. Before you just sat around watching porn and bullshitting on the 'Net?

 

[The Rabbi]

The average tool and die worker is a guy in his 50s. You are right that kids dont go into that kind of work anymore. In part there's less need as automation has ended many jobs. But a lot of it is simply a mindset.

As far as making everything ourselves, that's idiotic. Once again you betray your lack of knowledge in econ. Go look up specialization as a term of economics.

So your limited knowledge of economics also applies to the machine tool industry I see.

And you think that here in the good ole USA that we didn't make appliances, cloths, shoes, etc etc., anything and everything that an American could want to buy was made in the USA. And we all had jobs making these "things". And you think that "idiotic" Wtf?

Automation as it applies to the tool and die industry is another example of your lack of knowledge. There isn't a robot running that a tool maker didn't have a hand in the building of the robot. No metal stamping operation, no matter how automated, could get by without a die builder to keep things up and running.

What is it you said you used to do for a living. Before you just sat around watching porn and bullshitting on the 'Net?

You didnt take my advice and learn what "specialization" means. You will remain ignorant because you have no desire to learn.

 

[Wyatt earp]

When I was half way through my senior year of HS, I started my tool and die apprenticeship. At graduation from HS, I could go to work at NCR two dozen large tool and die shops or one of a half dozen GM plants. That's not even counting Dayton Tire and Rubber, McCauly Printing or GHR foundry Master Electric and on and on.

NCR furnished my high school machine shop class with the latest and greatest in equipment because they trained their apprentices at our school. All my classmates in machine shop went on to work in industry or tool and die. My apprenticeship was at WPAFB. Along with other top students in high schools around Dayton.

NONE OF THOSE PLACES EXIST TODAY. With the exception of about 8 large tool shops and a handful of guys trying to keep 2 to 5 men shops up and running. Also WPAFB, but they got rid of their machine shops and apprenticeships.

There is a demand for tool and die workers still. But you can't find the students with the math knowledge to do the work. And where as I could be hired right out of school and be a productive worker in a machine shop, the shops today have to train a rookie. And that's expensive for them.

What's the answer? We need to start building everything we need on a day to day basis, right here in America. Like we used to. When we all could have jobs that meant something. Where we could take care of a family. When we could all be productive. Have some pride in what we did. Those days are what I miss.

But they ain't coming back.

It only took you a year to get your journeymans card? It took me 3 years of night school and another 2 years of mold design. A trade I never even used, lol (Well I use bridgeports, laths and stuff all the time but just for maintenance work)

 

[candycorn]

which issue are you referring to that doesn't have politics attached to it....?

You keep injecting politics into it and when you're not doing that, you seem to just be a curmudgeon as to whether education is necessary at all.

i just took a look around and i believe we are still in the politics section....whatsa prob...can't handle it...?

Handling it just fine obviously. You're using it as an excuse and a piss poor one at that since I'm actually sponsoring less Federal money and that all of it would be tagged for re-payment instead of these loans we give out now based only on need and not the intelligence of the student so who knows if they are going to get repaid. In fact, you're continuously stating that somehow Federal money sponsoring student education is a federal "takeover" yet you've run away from demonstrating how the GI Bill (for one) has done that, how the Pell grants have done that or how the GSL/Stafford Loans have done that. Feel free to get to work on that sonny boy.

i never said no education is necessary.....i proposed that at age 16 kids could choose to finish high school in a trade-type school with the aim being a decent job....this could be anything from auto shop to computers...

instead of thousands of high school dropouts and going-nowhere bored students we could get lots of kids working in things they like to do and help grow the middle class instead of them doing drugs and having babies and going on welfare.... (of course this needs to be combined with sensible economic policies that help create jobs)

As stated about a dozen times, I thought that was a good idea. But learning how to turn a wrench only takes you so far. If you're happy with how far it takes you...splendid. More power to you and God bless you.

However, if you want to open your own shop and need to put together a business plan, convince the bank that you're a good bet for a line of business credit, find suppliers to issue you those lines of credit, etc... you probably will need something other than perfect attendance and the ability to install an altenator. To advance in an established field as an entrepreneuer, you'll either need to be incrediby lucky in terms of knowing the right people or you'll need to be able to do all of the above....this is where education comes in. If you want to advance only where you currently work, the odds are against you insofar as your qualifications matched up against someone with equal qualifications AND advanced education. Sorry, I just took a look around and saw that this is the reality.

I want those doors open in terms of no-qualification loans; a "red carpet option" to learning at UTI (Universal Technical Institute--I see their commercials during the day) or University of Phoenix or, hell Arizona State for that matter. Maybe the guy who turns a wrench decides he likes poetry...or figures out there is more money to be made in being the manufacturer of tools than the guy who works with them and wants to take more classes in the machine shop...

I think you want those doors to remain just as open as they are now...if you don't qualify for a Pell grant, you have to take out a loan--just as I'm suggesting by the way--the only difference is that the creditor is Uncle Sam, not Chase Bank. The difference is that for the Student, you have it deducted pre-tax from your future earnings in a painless sort of way that actually reduces your tax liability. You don't have to pay Chase from your net-pay.

And what do you say to the workers who had good jobs but got replaced by automation, shifting demographics, improved technologies, or their employer makes a business decision to close--what do you say to them who had the skills necessary to compete in the auts but will likely be outgunned in 2020?

 

[The Rabbi]

I've seldom seen so much uninformed illogical drivel condensed into one post. That wins some kind of award.

 

[kaz]

How do those jobs get created...by government or by entrepreneurs?

Entreprenuers, corporations, small businesses, etc. Not government. Government doesn't create jobs, they buy them with our money.

Try cutting from the budget any Dept of Defense supplier that has a presence in a GOPer's congressional district. The government-created jobs will be defended at all costs.

Do the same with unions and you could be onto something

 

[Wyatt earp]

You keep injecting politics into it and when you're not doing that, you seem to just be a curmudgeon as to whether education is necessary at all.

i just took a look around and i believe we are still in the politics section....whatsa prob...can't handle it...?

Handling it just fine obviously. You're using it as an excuse and a piss poor one at that since I'm actually sponsoring less Federal money and that all of it would be tagged for re-payment instead of these loans we give out now based only on need and not the intelligence of the student so who knows if they are going to get repaid. In fact, you're continuously stating that somehow Federal money sponsoring student education is a federal "takeover" yet you've run away from demonstrating how the GI Bill (for one) has done that, how the Pell grants have done that or how the GSL/Stafford Loans have done that. Feel free to get to work on that sonny boy.

i never said no education is necessary.....i proposed that at age 16 kids could choose to finish high school in a trade-type school with the aim being a decent job....this could be anything from auto shop to computers...

instead of thousands of high school dropouts and going-nowhere bored students we could get lots of kids working in things they like to do and help grow the middle class instead of them doing drugs and having babies and going on welfare.... (of course this needs to be combined with sensible economic policies that help create jobs)

As stated about a dozen times, I thought that was a good idea. But learning how to turn a wrench only takes you so far. If you're happy with how far it takes you...splendid. More power to you and God bless you.

However, if you want to open your own shop and need to put together a business plan, convince the bank that you're a good bet for a line of business credit, find suppliers to issue you those lines of credit, etc... you probably will need something other than perfect attendance and the ability to install an altenator. To advance in an established field as an entrepreneuer, you'll either need to be incrediby lucky in terms of knowing the right people or you'll need to be able to do all of the above....this is where education comes in. If you want to advance only where you currently work, the odds are against you insofar as your qualifications matched up against someone with equal qualifications AND advanced education. Sorry, I just took a look around and saw that this is the reality.

I want those doors open in terms of no-qualification loans; a "red carpet option" to learning at UTI (Universal Technical Institute--I see their commercials during the day) or University of Phoenix or, hell Arizona State for that matter. Maybe the guy who turns a wrench decides he likes poetry...or figures out there is more money to be made in being the manufacturer of tools than the guy who works with them and wants to take more classes in the machine shop...

I think you want those doors to remain just as open as they are now...if you don't qualify for a Pell grant, you have to take out a loan--just as I'm suggesting by the way--the only difference is that the creditor is Uncle Sam, not Chase Bank. The difference is that for the Student, you have it deducted pre-tax from your future earnings in a painless sort of way that actually reduces your tax liability. You don't have to pay Chase from your net-pay.

And what do you say to the workers who had good jobs but got replaced by automation, shifting demographics, improved technologies, or their employer makes a business decision to close--what do you say to them who had the skills necessary to compete in the auts but will likely be outgunned in 2020?

Candy I know 1st hand it was done all the time in the 60's~80's..A few of the owners I knew started out as wrentch turners, maintenace guys, tool and die makers. So much harder now because of the government and ISO type programs. The owner I have now was just a salesman a few years back, but he recieved a $2 million buy out package from his old company. so that dont hurt

 

[deltex1]

Another way to expand the middle class would have been to be holding 60000 shares of Siri on 01/07/2012.... Thank you Jesus...recouped all the money that asshole Obabble lost me on coal stocks....

 

[Wyatt earp]

The average tool and die worker is a guy in his 50s. You are right that kids dont go into that kind of work anymore. In part there's less need as automation has ended many jobs. But a lot of it is simply a mindset.

As far as making everything ourselves, that's idiotic. Once again you betray your lack of knowledge in econ. Go look up specialization as a term of economics.

So your limited knowledge of economics also applies to the machine tool industry I see.

And you think that here in the good ole USA that we didn't make appliances, cloths, shoes, etc etc., anything and everything that an American could want to buy was made in the USA. And we all had jobs making these "things". And you think that "idiotic" Wtf?

Automation as it applies to the tool and die industry is another example of your lack of knowledge. There isn't a robot running that a tool maker didn't have a hand in the building of the robot. No metal stamping operation, no matter how automated, could get by without a die builder to keep things up and running.

What is it you said you used to do for a living. Before you just sat around watching porn and bullshitting on the 'Net?

Yea auttomation can go only so far in tool and die and mold making and 3d printiing only makes plastic copys.

 

[Wyatt earp]

i just took a look around and i believe we are still in the politics section....whatsa prob...can't handle it...?

Handling it just fine obviously. You're using it as an excuse and a piss poor one at that since I'm actually sponsoring less Federal money and that all of it would be tagged for re-payment instead of these loans we give out now based only on need and not the intelligence of the student so who knows if they are going to get repaid. In fact, you're continuously stating that somehow Federal money sponsoring student education is a federal "takeover" yet you've run away from demonstrating how the GI Bill (for one) has done that, how the Pell grants have done that or how the GSL/Stafford Loans have done that. Feel free to get to work on that sonny boy.

i never said no education is necessary.....i proposed that at age 16 kids could choose to finish high school in a trade-type school with the aim being a decent job....this could be anything from auto shop to computers...

instead of thousands of high school dropouts and going-nowhere bored students we could get lots of kids working in things they like to do and help grow the middle class instead of them doing drugs and having babies and going on welfare.... (of course this needs to be combined with sensible economic policies that help create jobs)

As stated about a dozen times, I thought that was a good idea. But learning how to turn a wrench only takes you so far. If you're happy with how far it takes you...splendid. More power to you and God bless you.

However, if you want to open your own shop and need to put together a business plan, convince the bank that you're a good bet for a line of business credit, find suppliers to issue you those lines of credit, etc... you probably will need something other than perfect attendance and the ability to install an altenator. To advance in an established field as an entrepreneuer, you'll either need to be incrediby lucky in terms of knowing the right people or you'll need to be able to do all of the above....this is where education comes in. If you want to advance only where you currently work, the odds are against you insofar as your qualifications matched up against someone with equal qualifications AND advanced education. Sorry, I just took a look around and saw that this is the reality.

I want those doors open in terms of no-qualification loans; a "red carpet option" to learning at UTI (Universal Technical Institute--I see their commercials during the day) or University of Phoenix or, hell Arizona State for that matter. Maybe the guy who turns a wrench decides he likes poetry...or figures out there is more money to be made in being the manufacturer of tools than the guy who works with them and wants to take more classes in the machine shop...

I think you want those doors to remain just as open as they are now...if you don't qualify for a Pell grant, you have to take out a loan--just as I'm suggesting by the way--the only difference is that the creditor is Uncle Sam, not Chase Bank. The difference is that for the Student, you have it deducted pre-tax from your future earnings in a painless sort of way that actually reduces your tax liability. You don't have to pay Chase from your net-pay.

And what do you say to the workers who had good jobs but got replaced by automation, shifting demographics, improved technologies, or their employer makes a business decision to close--what do you say to them who had the skills necessary to compete in the auts but will likely be outgunned in 2020?

Candy I know 1st hand it was done all the time in the 60's~80's..A few of the owners I knew started out as wrentch turners, maintenace guys, tool and die makers. So much harder now because of the government and ISO type programs. The owner I have now was just a salesman a few years back, but he recieved a $2 million buy out package from his old company. so that dont hurt

Also just rememberd the old manager of the 1st part time job I had at Arbys owns 5 stores or did last time I talked to him in the late 90's.

 

[ScienceRocks]

1. Allow businesses to hire or fire workers
2. Kill free trade and replace it with fair
3. Lower the corporate.
4. Raise the income taxes 3% on all people making more then 1.5 million per year. This discourages ceo's from fucking over their corporations at the cost of the corporation. Taking away from the asshole within this way prevents him from passing it on to the consumer.
5. Consider we're a hybrid economic system and that's why we're a super power! Did pure capitalism get us where we're today? Did Pure capitalism make China what it is? South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, or Germany????

 

[The Rabbi]

1. Allow businesses to hire or fire workers
2. Kill free trade and replace it with fair
3. Lower the corporate.
4. Raise the income taxes 3% on all people making more then 1.5 million per year. This discourages ceo's from fucking over their corporations at the cost of the corporation. Taking away from the asshole within this way prevents him from passing it on to the consumer.
5. Consider we're a hybrid economic system and that's why we're a super power! Did pure capitalism get us where we're today? Did Pure capitalism make China what it is? South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, or Germany????

Ever consider sticking your head in the oven to burn off the stupid?

How is restricting trade going to benefit anyone?
How will raising income taxes on anyone going to benefit anyone?
Yes, purer capitalism made all those countries prosperous. China was a basket case until the late 80s when it instituted market reforms. Germany post WW2 experienced the German miracle until they had more gov't control in the 70s and on. Japan is a basket case and has been for 20 years, mainly because of zero interest rates and gov't stimulus spending on infrastructure.

 

[Wyatt earp]

1. Allow businesses to hire or fire workers
2. Kill free trade and replace it with fair
3. Lower the corporate.
4. Raise the income taxes 3% on all people making more then 1.5 million per year. This discourages ceo's from fucking over their corporations at the cost of the corporation. Taking away from the asshole within this way prevents him from passing it on to the consumer.
5. Consider we're a hybrid economic system and that's why we're a super power! Did pure capitalism get us where we're today? Did Pure capitalism make China what it is? South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, or Germany????

Ever consider sticking your head in the oven to burn off the stupid?

How is restricting trade going to benefit anyone?
How will raising income taxes on anyone going to benefit anyone?
Yes, purer capitalism made all those countries prosperous. China was a basket case until the late 80s when it instituted market reforms. Germany post WW2 experienced the German miracle until they had more gov't control in the 70s and on. Japan is a basket case and has been for 20 years, mainly because of zero interest rates and gov't stimulus spending on infrastructure.

Dude kind of like you but you really have to reaserch before you post....Germany has like a 5% UE right now...like some one said lay off the porn in your second screen.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You keep injecting politics into it and when you're not doing that, you seem to just be a curmudgeon as to whether education is necessary at all.

i just took a look around and i believe we are still in the politics section....whatsa prob...can't handle it...?

Handling it just fine obviously. You're using it as an excuse and a piss poor one at that since I'm actually sponsoring less Federal money and that all of it would be tagged for re-payment instead of these loans we give out now based only on need and not the intelligence of the student so who knows if they are going to get repaid. In fact, you're continuously stating that somehow Federal money sponsoring student education is a federal "takeover" yet you've run away from demonstrating how the GI Bill (for one) has done that, how the Pell grants have done that or how the GSL/Stafford Loans have done that. Feel free to get to work on that sonny boy.

i never said no education is necessary.....i proposed that at age 16 kids could choose to finish high school in a trade-type school with the aim being a decent job....this could be anything from auto shop to computers...

instead of thousands of high school dropouts and going-nowhere bored students we could get lots of kids working in things they like to do and help grow the middle class instead of them doing drugs and having babies and going on welfare.... (of course this needs to be combined with sensible economic policies that help create jobs)

As stated about a dozen times, I thought that was a good idea. But learning how to turn a wrench only takes you so far. If you're happy with how far it takes you...splendid. More power to you and God bless you.

However, if you want to open your own shop and need to put together a business plan, convince the bank that you're a good bet for a line of business credit, find suppliers to issue you those lines of credit, etc... you probably will need something other than perfect attendance and the ability to install an altenator. To advance in an established field as an entrepreneuer, you'll either need to be incrediby lucky in terms of knowing the right people or you'll need to be able to do all of the above....this is where education comes in. If you want to advance only where you currently work, the odds are against you insofar as your qualifications matched up against someone with equal qualifications AND advanced education. Sorry, I just took a look around and saw that this is the reality.

I want those doors open in terms of no-qualification loans; a "red carpet option" to learning at UTI (Universal Technical Institute--I see their commercials during the day) or University of Phoenix or, hell Arizona State for that matter. Maybe the guy who turns a wrench decides he likes poetry...or figures out there is more money to be made in being the manufacturer of tools than the guy who works with them and wants to take more classes in the machine shop...

I think you want those doors to remain just as open as they are now...if you don't qualify for a Pell grant, you have to take out a loan--just as I'm suggesting by the way--the only difference is that the creditor is Uncle Sam, not Chase Bank. The difference is that for the Student, you have it deducted pre-tax from your future earnings in a painless sort of way that actually reduces your tax liability. You don't have to pay Chase from your net-pay.

And what do you say to the workers who had good jobs but got replaced by automation, shifting demographics, improved technologies, or their employer makes a business decision to close--what do you say to them who had the skills necessary to compete in the auts but will likely be outgunned in 2020?

Stop and think....

If colleges knew that all their tuition costs came basically DIRECTLY from the Federal government don't you think that would make them even more beholden to the Feds....?and don't you think that the Feds would then start creating more 'requirements' in order for colleges to meet certain 'standards' to qualify for the student's use of that money....? if the Feds were the direct source of all tuition as well as the tons of R&D money they dish out today this would put them firmly in the driver's seat...

Also....why (despite rising costs on everything) do you think college costs have already gotten so out of line....?
because college tuition costs are driven by Fed subsidies....when colleges decide what to charge for tuition they base it on how much money they believe they can get from all the government loans and Pell Grants....it's like an endless pit of guaranteed money from the faceless taxpayers at large...so they charge as much as they think they can get away with...

I actually think we should stop all Fed government aid....this would of course reduce the number of students going to college and pop the tuition bubble.....and colleges would either have to go out of business or cut their costs in order to survive....those classes on queers and witchcraft would disappear in a flash.....and in order to attract paying students they would have to reduce tuition costs to a reasonable level where it made financial sense to pay the price of attending college...

of course good students that still needed aid could obtain scholarships from private endowments...as well as other sources from the community such as private loans...this would also give business a bigger voice in what schools teach....so instead of so much of the liberal arts PC crap that schools are pushing today you would see lots more STEM-type students geared toward business and positive pursuits...this would of course help create more jobs and expand the middle class...

 

[candycorn]

i just took a look around and i believe we are still in the politics section....whatsa prob...can't handle it...?

Handling it just fine obviously. You're using it as an excuse and a piss poor one at that since I'm actually sponsoring less Federal money and that all of it would be tagged for re-payment instead of these loans we give out now based only on need and not the intelligence of the student so who knows if they are going to get repaid. In fact, you're continuously stating that somehow Federal money sponsoring student education is a federal "takeover" yet you've run away from demonstrating how the GI Bill (for one) has done that, how the Pell grants have done that or how the GSL/Stafford Loans have done that. Feel free to get to work on that sonny boy.

i never said no education is necessary.....i proposed that at age 16 kids could choose to finish high school in a trade-type school with the aim being a decent job....this could be anything from auto shop to computers...

instead of thousands of high school dropouts and going-nowhere bored students we could get lots of kids working in things they like to do and help grow the middle class instead of them doing drugs and having babies and going on welfare.... (of course this needs to be combined with sensible economic policies that help create jobs)

As stated about a dozen times, I thought that was a good idea. But learning how to turn a wrench only takes you so far. If you're happy with how far it takes you...splendid. More power to you and God bless you.

However, if you want to open your own shop and need to put together a business plan, convince the bank that you're a good bet for a line of business credit, find suppliers to issue you those lines of credit, etc... you probably will need something other than perfect attendance and the ability to install an altenator. To advance in an established field as an entrepreneuer, you'll either need to be incrediby lucky in terms of knowing the right people or you'll need to be able to do all of the above....this is where education comes in. If you want to advance only where you currently work, the odds are against you insofar as your qualifications matched up against someone with equal qualifications AND advanced education. Sorry, I just took a look around and saw that this is the reality.

I want those doors open in terms of no-qualification loans; a "red carpet option" to learning at UTI (Universal Technical Institute--I see their commercials during the day) or University of Phoenix or, hell Arizona State for that matter. Maybe the guy who turns a wrench decides he likes poetry...or figures out there is more money to be made in being the manufacturer of tools than the guy who works with them and wants to take more classes in the machine shop...

I think you want those doors to remain just as open as they are now...if you don't qualify for a Pell grant, you have to take out a loan--just as I'm suggesting by the way--the only difference is that the creditor is Uncle Sam, not Chase Bank. The difference is that for the Student, you have it deducted pre-tax from your future earnings in a painless sort of way that actually reduces your tax liability. You don't have to pay Chase from your net-pay.

And what do you say to the workers who had good jobs but got replaced by automation, shifting demographics, improved technologies, or their employer makes a business decision to close--what do you say to them who had the skills necessary to compete in the auts but will likely be outgunned in 2020?

Candy I know 1st hand it was done all the time in the 60's~80's..A few of the owners I knew started out as wrentch turners, maintenace guys, tool and die makers. So much harder now because of the government and ISO type programs. The owner I have now was just a salesman a few years back, but he recieved a $2 million buy out package from his old company. so that dont hurt

Do you think that is the rule or the exception?

 

[boedicca]

4. Raise the income taxes 3% on all people making more then 1.5 million per year. This discourages ceo's from fucking over their corporations at the cost of the corporation. Taking away from the asshole within this way prevents him from passing it on to the consumer.

Please explain how that will work, exactly.

 

[The Rabbi]

1. Allow businesses to hire or fire workers
2. Kill free trade and replace it with fair
3. Lower the corporate.
4. Raise the income taxes 3% on all people making more then 1.5 million per year. This discourages ceo's from fucking over their corporations at the cost of the corporation. Taking away from the asshole within this way prevents him from passing it on to the consumer.
5. Consider we're a hybrid economic system and that's why we're a super power! Did pure capitalism get us where we're today? Did Pure capitalism make China what it is? South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, or Germany????

Ever consider sticking your head in the oven to burn off the stupid?

How is restricting trade going to benefit anyone?
How will raising income taxes on anyone going to benefit anyone?
Yes, purer capitalism made all those countries prosperous. China was a basket case until the late 80s when it instituted market reforms. Germany post WW2 experienced the German miracle until they had more gov't control in the 70s and on. Japan is a basket case and has been for 20 years, mainly because of zero interest rates and gov't stimulus spending on infrastructure.

Dude kind of like you but you really have to reaserch before you post....Germany has like a 5% UE right now...like some one said lay off the porn in your second screen.

Dude, you need to get an education and stop confusing one factoid with the total picture.
German GDP growth is less than 3%, about like ours, but has been under 3% for 20 years. Our growth rate has exceed theirs many many times over the last 25 years.

 

[pvsi]

Here;s a better idea:
Get the fucking government out of the education business where they have no right to be. Someone wants to go to school? They can apply for scholarships from the school. If that isn't enough, they can go to the bank and borrow money, like any otehr asset. Knowing they have to pay the money back will encourage people to do well and finish school. People will be more determined when they are spending their own money.
Currently way too many people go to college. This has led to a glut in BAs, with the result that the degree is nearly worthless. And how many people currently have jobs they didnt need a college degree for?

Although I am not a supporter of Zionism, international bankers, fed, religions or Rabbis, I do believe you have a point - schools should be supported by the parents, and not even by working class people like me who do not have and do not want kids in this idiot filled world. I pay school tax to educate some morons who will likely not do anything useful but become some government bureaucrats collecting more taxes, more fees, creating more regulations and so on. Why can't parents of those kids get off their asses, get off their television sets and go build schools for their kids and learn something and take turns TEACHING their kids stuff instead of demanding government funding?