How to sell me on socialism.

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You mean like a 401K? Do you know how many millions of 401K portfolios were wiped out or close to it by the 2008 recession?

If I could just jump in here to make one point. The stock market is up well over 200% since the recession. The S&P has more than tripled. Just saying.

Thanks for the input. It is interesting and some would say rather tempting. But can you say the bubble is never going to burst?

As mentioned in my last message, I was born at the peak of the Great Depression (1936), which made my family hungry and almost homeless. So I've been subjected to adamant warnings throughout my younger life to not trust private investments. I've been imbued with the notion that the Stock Market is analogous to a Las Vegas casino. I know my U.S. Savings Bonds do not pay off as much as some private investments do, but I also know they are immune to what happened in 1929 and 2008.

Again: Retirement Dreams Disappear With 401(k)s

????? 2008 was no problem really. All you had to do was hold on which was the standard advice at the time anyway.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Read the Federalist Papers. General welfare had NOTHING to do with the modern understanding of welfare, as much as today's progressive leftists wish it did.

If it did, there would be no point in enumerating powers. Read:

To illustrate how enumeration limits power, consider the General Welfare Clause of Article I, section 8. Were the passage containing that clause to be read simply as authorizing Congress to tax and spend for the general welfare, as some read it today, Congress would have been granted all but unlimited power and the enumeration of other powers would have been to no purpose. Thus, the passage must be read as permitting taxing only for enumerated ends; and the clause restricts such funding to the general welfare only, not to the welfare of particular parties. Similarly, the power given Congress to regulate “commerce among the states” could not have been a power to regulate anything that “affects” commerce, which in principle is everything, for that too would have made pointless any limits imposed by enumeration. Rather, the Commerce Clause was meant primarily to restrain state power: to ensure the free flow of goods and services among the states, Congress was given the power to regulate such commerce—to make it “regular.” Those limitations are reinforced by the Necessary and Proper Clause, which limits the means available to Congress to those that are “necessary” for executing enumerated powers—without such means, the enumerated powers could not be executed—and “proper” for a government dedicated to liberty.

Dear, we have a social Contract; providing for the general welfare is a Contractual term.

It is like the left claiming; there is No power delegated for the common Offense nor the general Warfare.

We have no such thing. We have a constitutional republic in which the federal government is granted few, well defined powers. Everything else falls to the people.

Screw your social contract.

dear, our social Contract is our supreme law of the land. there is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

Providing for the general welfare is in our federal Constitution.

There is no power to provide for the common offense or general warfare; as business as usual, like there is for the general welfare regarding our Commerce Clause.

You have a serious misunderstanding of history, the Constitution, and our system of government. Just wow!

Danny speaks english as a third language and apparently reads it as a third language too.

 

[P@triot]

The meals on wheels , and kids school lunch cuts really pisses me of..

Why? If you want it - you pay for it. That's how life works in the real world.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Lets just say that every fully developed country on earth is a mixture of socialism and capitalism in a system called social democracy. Dude, you're living in one and you enjoy the fruits of the balance between government regulations and capitalist success.

There's NOT one successful nation that doesn't have it....

You're living in a fantasy land if you think pure capitalism with all its abuses and massive % of poor is better.

 

[danielpalos]

Dear, we have a social Contract; providing for the general welfare is a Contractual term.

It is like the left claiming; there is No power delegated for the common Offense nor the general Warfare.

We have no such thing. We have a constitutional republic in which the federal government is granted few, well defined powers. Everything else falls to the people.

Screw your social contract.

dear, our social Contract is our supreme law of the land. there is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

Providing for the general welfare is in our federal Constitution.

There is no power to provide for the common offense or general warfare; as business as usual, like there is for the general welfare regarding our Commerce Clause.

The actual law of the land does not comport with your little fantasy.

It is the law, not fantasy; only the right wing, has nothing but fantasy, along with a majority.

Now that's funny...in a sad and pathetic sort of way.

The general social powers to provide for the general welfare and the common defense, are not the same as a power to provide for the common offense nor general warfare.

 

[MikeK]

The meals on wheels , and kids school lunch cuts really pisses me of..

Why? If you want it - you pay for it. That's how life works in the real world.

I believe the majority of Americans, probably including you, are perfectly willing to provide food and other basic needs to those who are truly deserving. But exploitation of the Meals-On-Wheels, food-stamps, and other similarly charitable programs by those who have no real need for them is what promotes the kind of disapproval you've expressed.

 

[PredFan]

You want to get me to support the idea of socialism? Here's how you do it.

The essential idea is that everyone has the same as everyone else, there are no rich and no poor.

1. The rich, like Gates, the Clintons, Warren Buffet, Al Gore, Michael Moore, Cher, Meryl Streep, and also the Koch Brothers, all of them must give up their riches.

2. The government controls the means of production, everyone gets paid the same.

3. The law of the land is that you must work. Unless it is medically impossible for you to do so, you have to have a job. Severe penalties for those who do not. You can and will get fired if you do not work to standards, and severe penalties for that as well.

4. As production and GDP increases, everyone gets raises.

The problem with socialism as Crazy Bernie and Hollywood and the DNC want is that they have no intention of giving up their riches. The rest of us little people will, but they won't. It will fail as it always has.

Bernie went way too far with his free everything...but it is fair to make sure that the mega rich pay taxes honestly

The meals on wheels , and kids school lunch cuts really pisses me of..

The federal government has no authority to feed people. It's not among the enumerated powers.

Start a charity if you feel strongly about it. Better yet, make lunch for a neighbor's kid.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Are you really that ignorant or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

do you always appeal to ignorance of the law to try to make a point you don't have, with a valid argument you couldn't come up with?

Hmmm...must be the latter.

 

[danielpalos]

Bernie went way too far with his free everything...but it is fair to make sure that the mega rich pay taxes honestly

The meals on wheels , and kids school lunch cuts really pisses me of..

The federal government has no authority to feed people. It's not among the enumerated powers.

Start a charity if you feel strongly about it. Better yet, make lunch for a neighbor's kid.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Are you really that ignorant or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

do you always appeal to ignorance of the law to try to make a point you don't have, with a valid argument you couldn't come up with?

Hmmm...must be the latter.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

 

[MikeK]

You mean like a 401K? Do you know how many millions of 401K portfolios were wiped out or close to it by the 2008 recession?

If I could just jump in here to make one point. The stock market is up well over 200% since the recession. The S&P has more than tripled. Just saying.

Thanks for the input. It is interesting and some would say rather tempting. But can you say the bubble is never going to burst?

As mentioned in my last message, I was born at the peak of the Great Depression (1936), which made my family hungry and almost homeless. So I've been subjected to adamant warnings throughout my younger life to not trust private investments. I've been imbued with the notion that the Stock Market is analogous to a Las Vegas casino. I know my U.S. Savings Bonds do not pay off as much as some private investments do, but I also know they are immune to what happened in 1929 and 2008.

Again: Retirement Dreams Disappear With 401(k)s

????? 2008 was no problem really. All you had to do was hold on which was the standard advice at the time anyway.

That might be true for some but certainly not for the majority.
2008 financial crisis impact still hurting states

 

[P@triot]

I believe the majority of Americans, probably including you, are perfectly willing to provide food and other basic needs to those who are truly deserving.

You are correct - with one caveat. I'm perfectly willing at my own will. I vehemently oppose being forced to "help" at the barrel of a gun.

 

[P@triot]

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

I've debunked this lie several dozen times over the past two days alone. No matter how many times you post this lie, it doesn't cease to be a lie.

 

[P@triot]

The general social powers to provide for the general welfare and the common defense, are not the same as a power to provide for the common offense nor general warfare.

Yes folks...he really did just say that.

 

[P@triot]

Lets just say that every fully developed country on earth is a mixture of socialism and capitalism in a system called social democracy. Dude, you're living in one and you enjoy the fruits of the balance between government regulations and capitalist success.

There's NOT one successful nation that doesn't have it....

You're living in a fantasy land if you think pure capitalism with all its abuses and massive % of poor is better.

What you've always failed to realize Matthew is that you opinion on this matter is irrelevant. Hell - even if what you are saying were proven fact, it still be irrelevant.

The issue is that the U.S. Constitution protects me from the bat-shit crazy communism you left-wingers desire. You are breaking the law every single moment you are engaged in this nonsense.

You have two choices: implement all of it at the state level or amend the U.S. Constitution to make it the legal responsibility of the federal government. Outside of those two options, everything you support is illegal and everything you state is ridiculous.

 

[PredFan]

The federal government has no authority to feed people. It's not among the enumerated powers.

Start a charity if you feel strongly about it. Better yet, make lunch for a neighbor's kid.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Are you really that ignorant or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

do you always appeal to ignorance of the law to try to make a point you don't have, with a valid argument you couldn't come up with?

Hmmm...must be the latter.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

 

[eflatminor]

You mean like a 401K? Do you know how many millions of 401K portfolios were wiped out or close to it by the 2008 recession?

If I could just jump in here to make one point. The stock market is up well over 200% since the recession. The S&P has more than tripled. Just saying.

Thanks for the input. It is interesting and some would say rather tempting. But can you say the bubble is never going to burst?

As mentioned in my last message, I was born at the peak of the Great Depression (1936), which made my family hungry and almost homeless. So I've been subjected to adamant warnings throughout my younger life to not trust private investments. I've been imbued with the notion that the Stock Market is analogous to a Las Vegas casino. I know my U.S. Savings Bonds do not pay off as much as some private investments do, but I also know they are immune to what happened in 1929 and 2008.

Again: Retirement Dreams Disappear With 401(k)s

Markets have always experienced booms and busts. It's the nature of markets.

No investment is immune to loss.

 

[eflatminor]

We have no such thing. We have a constitutional republic in which the federal government is granted few, well defined powers. Everything else falls to the people.

Screw your social contract.

dear, our social Contract is our supreme law of the land. there is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

Providing for the general welfare is in our federal Constitution.

There is no power to provide for the common offense or general warfare; as business as usual, like there is for the general welfare regarding our Commerce Clause.

The actual law of the land does not comport with your little fantasy.

It is the law, not fantasy; only the right wing, has nothing but fantasy, along with a majority.

Now that's funny...in a sad and pathetic sort of way.

The general social powers to provide for the general welfare and the common defense, are not the same as a power to provide for the common offense nor general warfare.

Step away from the vodka and paint chips comrade.

 

[danielpalos]

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

I've debunked this lie several dozen times over the past two days alone. No matter how many times you post this lie, it doesn't cease to be a lie.

dude; you have nothing but fantasy. Providing for the general welfare is in Article 1, Section 8.

This is why I routinely as if by custom and habit until it becomes indistinguishable from a moral, don't take the right wing seriously about the law, or economics.

 

[danielpalos]

The general social powers to provide for the general welfare and the common defense, are not the same as a power to provide for the common offense nor general warfare.

Yes folks...he really did just say that.

Yes, I did. And, you have no, Constitutional rebuttal, like usual, only fantasy.

 

[danielpalos]

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Are you really that ignorant or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

do you always appeal to ignorance of the law to try to make a point you don't have, with a valid argument you couldn't come up with?

Hmmm...must be the latter.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

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nothing but fallacy from the right wing?

 

[danielpalos]

dear, our social Contract is our supreme law of the land. there is no appeal to ignorance of the law.

Providing for the general welfare is in our federal Constitution.

There is no power to provide for the common offense or general warfare; as business as usual, like there is for the general welfare regarding our Commerce Clause.

The actual law of the land does not comport with your little fantasy.

It is the law, not fantasy; only the right wing, has nothing but fantasy, along with a majority.

Now that's funny...in a sad and pathetic sort of way.

The general social powers to provide for the general welfare and the common defense, are not the same as a power to provide for the common offense nor general warfare.

Step away from the vodka and paint chips comrade.

too incompetent to understand social Contract law?