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Nope.. it is not to pay for you when you complain about being 'needy' while you go out and buy unnecessary luxuries
You would make them poorer by taking away their benefits; you would make the rich richer by cutting their taxes.
That is simple math. You want to increase the gap between rich and poor.
They are handouts that are derived from confiscating from others... they are not owed them for simply existing.. and if you are complaining that you cannot feed yourself when you are buying $50 shoes and paying $100 for cell phone service, you know EXACTLY what it is... BULLSHIT... when you are down, you take care of your basics... you don't look to have someone else do it for you so you can get extras...
I believe in freedom, whether it ends up giving you more than you could ever use or whether it leaves you scraping by
I want equality in treatment... period... not coddling for some and stealing from others to facilitate the coddling
USMB nutters......to a person....are fucking jealous of people who barely get by. How dare those poor people have anything nice or entertaining!
Assholes.
And I know how low their taxes are, because my taxes aren't that high, and I have no dependents, nothing to deduct whatsoever;
most of the rightwing complainers have kids that are knocking thousands off their tax bills,
they don't pay squat and still complain about it.
Let's get rid of the big handout you get for having a couple useless snot faced kids you breeders!!!!
lolol
You would make them poorer by taking away their benefits; you would make the rich richer by cutting their taxes.
That is simple math. You want to increase the gap between rich and poor.
They are handouts that are derived from confiscating from others... they are not owed them for simply existing.. and if you are complaining that you cannot feed yourself when you are buying $50 shoes and paying $100 for cell phone service, you know EXACTLY what it is... BULLSHIT... when you are down, you take care of your basics... you don't look to have someone else do it for you so you can get extras...
I believe in freedom, whether it ends up giving you more than you could ever use or whether it leaves you scraping by
I want equality in treatment... period... not coddling for some and stealing from others to facilitate the coddling
You want to increase the gap between rich and poor. You want the poor to be unaided by the government so that their poverty is experienced in full force. You want a nation of the rich and powerful on one side, and the poor and helpless on the other.
They are handouts that are derived from confiscating from others... they are not owed them for simply existing.. and if you are complaining that you cannot feed yourself when you are buying $50 shoes and paying $100 for cell phone service, you know EXACTLY what it is... BULLSHIT... when you are down, you take care of your basics... you don't look to have someone else do it for you so you can get extras...
I believe in freedom, whether it ends up giving you more than you could ever use or whether it leaves you scraping by
I want equality in treatment... period... not coddling for some and stealing from others to facilitate the coddling
You want to increase the gap between rich and poor. You want the poor to be unaided by the government so that their poverty is experienced in full force. You want a nation of the rich and powerful on one side, and the poor and helpless on the other.
No.. I want every poor person to have the same freedom to succeed or fail as everyone else...
I want people to VOLUNTARILY help others with charities that call to them, because I feel it is the RIGHT thing to do... but it is the WRONG thing to do to FORCE it upon others...
The only tool you have in this discussion is to try and assign something on me that is not what I state... because for you to 'win' you have to show the 'meanness' of the 'evil conservative'... well, sorry Charlie... that shit don't fly
They are handouts that are derived from confiscating from others... they are not owed them for simply existing.. and if you are complaining that you cannot feed yourself when you are buying $50 shoes and paying $100 for cell phone service, you know EXACTLY what it is... BULLSHIT... when you are down, you take care of your basics... you don't look to have someone else do it for you so you can get extras...
I believe in freedom, whether it ends up giving you more than you could ever use or whether it leaves you scraping by
I want equality in treatment... period... not coddling for some and stealing from others to facilitate the coddling
You want to increase the gap between rich and poor. You want the poor to be unaided by the government so that their poverty is experienced in full force. You want a nation of the rich and powerful on one side, and the poor and helpless on the other.
No.. I want every poor person to have the same freedom to succeed or fail as everyone else...
I want people to VOLUNTARILY help others with charities that call to them, because I feel it is the RIGHT thing to do... but it is the WRONG thing to do to FORCE it upon others...
The only tool you have in this discussion is to try and assign something on me that is not what I state... because for you to 'win' you have to show the 'meanness' of the 'evil conservative'... well, sorry Charlie... that shit don't fly
Sorry.. if you can afford a cell phone, an X-Box, or Nikes, you can afford ground beef rice and green beans
Like I keep saying, the primary motive in Conservative economic policy is to widen the gap between rich and poor.
Nope.. it is not to pay for you when you complain about being 'needy' while you go out and buy unnecessary luxuries
USMB nutters......to a person....are fucking jealous of people who barely get by. How dare those poor people have anything nice or entertaining!
Assholes.
And I know how low their taxes are, because my taxes aren't that high, and I have no dependents, nothing to deduct whatsoever;
most of the rightwing complainers have kids that are knocking thousands off their tax bills,
they don't pay squat and still complain about it.
Let's get rid of the big handout you get for having a couple useless snot faced kids you breeders!!!!
lolol
Exactly. They mistake their good fortune for diligence. They work hard....but no harder than the guy across town who didn't catch a break. Motherfuckers can't stand the thought of NOT being able to look down on someone and shake their arrogant heads.
Make them work for it! There are plenty of things they can do to contribute to society - work their asses off.
If they don't have a work ethic, they don't deserve assistance! Welfare is suppose to be a temporary safety net - not a generational reality.
You want to increase the gap between rich and poor. You want the poor to be unaided by the government so that their poverty is experienced in full force. You want a nation of the rich and powerful on one side, and the poor and helpless on the other.
No.. I want every poor person to have the same freedom to succeed or fail as everyone else...
I want people to VOLUNTARILY help others with charities that call to them, because I feel it is the RIGHT thing to do... but it is the WRONG thing to do to FORCE it upon others...
The only tool you have in this discussion is to try and assign something on me that is not what I state... because for you to 'win' you have to show the 'meanness' of the 'evil conservative'... well, sorry Charlie... that shit don't fly
But you willing to force women to carry unwanted babies, your also willing to force people to UN equal if they are homosexual, why do you conservatives say you don't force people to do stuff. You do!
This was a common battle cry during the beginning years of the Great Depression: the poor are lazy, drink a lot, and won't work. FDR made the ablebodied work for their welfare, WPA, PWA, and even for the teenagers the CCC's. When war time spending came along it seems that almost all the lazy, the drunkards went to work at regular jobs, and the relief programs died. The secret was not humiliation, not hunger but jobs. The kinds of jobs all those Republican House members promised for America if they were elected. The same House members that now fight every bill, every suggestion and are content to see America go over the cliff, if they can't have their way.
Why don't you get a better job?
Yeah, let's mock the working poor because they have a car...
...this is what the Right in this country has been reduced to.
I dont need a better job, I'm not on the dole.
I studied, worked hard, got an engineering degree and a good job, and support myself. Government support to me was limited to student loans which I paid/am paying back. a $500 pell grant, and the free rail/bus transit I got as a student in NYC.
Considering I have lived in NYC my whole life, I have paid back the free transit, and I have more than paid back the pell grant.
You choose to live in the high tax state of NY, in the high tax city of NYC,
and you're crying about taxes???
You're an ass.
Can the millions of Americans now accustomed to food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches be weaned from this dependency? In principle the answer is yes and the cost would be minimal; in practice the answer is no given that the solution is anathema to Americas burgeoning therapeutic state.
Lets begin by disposing of the usual solutions to combat dependency. Forget about cold turkey, no matter how slow the withdrawal period. A 10% reduction in food stamps per month would only invite mayhem.
What about a robust economy to cure dependency? After all, nobody could possibly resist a fresh supply of well-paid jobs. The opposite is more likely: Prosperity boosts tax revenue, and this means more money to buy votes with handouts. With the Democrats in power, prosperity will promote the addiction, not cure it.
Avoidance of dependency, even for those in dire straits, historically rested on personal aversion to being a freeloader. It was the fear of dishonor, humiliation, embarrassment, shame, and disgrace for taking handouts that deterred future dependency. Any job, no matter how menial, was better than the ignominy of publicly lining up for ones allotment of government-supplied free cheese.
These feelings are probably still part of human nature and hopefully can be reawakened. It would not take much. Food-stamp recipients, for example, could be required to use clearly identified supermarket checkout lines so contemptuous full-pay customers can stare at them. Even better, return to the days when food stamps resembled colorful oversized 10,000-lira notes so everybody saw them, not todays EBT card indistinguishable from a bank-issued credit or debit card.
But restoring humiliation as the price for government handouts will be difficult. In todays world everybody except hatemongers must be shielded from any ego damage. Reversing vassalage requires making people feel bad psychologicallydemeaned, stigmatized, and humiliatedand the One Commandment of todays deeply perverse moral cosmology is Thou Shalt Not Deflate Thy Neighbors Ego.
In the past, independence rather than servility was prized. Occasional handouts were necessary but viewed as emergency measures to be quickly ended lest the habit of helplessness take root. Aid was to be given but made as distasteful as possible (e.g., recipients would split logs at the towns woodpile). The medical parallel would be paregoric, an opium-based stomach medicine purposely formulated to be foul-tasting so as to prevent addiction.
By contrast, todays welfare philosophy might be described as making the recipient as comfortable as possible while government fixes the lingering recession, terrible schools, racism and discrimination, structural economic shifts, and whatever else can be used to explain why youngsters must be fed by Uncle Sam rather than their parents. Moms inability to make lunch is not her fault, so why should junior suffer?
Removing the stigma from being on the dole parallels the trend toward normalizing other once condemned behaviors: homosexuality, out-of-wedlock childbirth, guilt-free promiscuity (the hook-up culture), piling on debt that cannot be repaid, and stigma-free personal bankruptcy.
In the name of making people feel normal about what was once deplorable servility, the United States is not only sinking deeper into national debt but also banishing a key building block of civil society. Perhaps it is time to bring back some scarlet letters.
How to Wean the Dependent - Taki's Magazine
Everybody who sups at Uncle Sams table would be clearly and instantly and publicly identifiable. Physically segregate recipients of free school breakfasts and lunches, offering only healthy but unappetizing basics while excluding soft drinks and desserts. Let those humiliated children plead with mom to make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, even if that means downgrading her deluxe cell-phone plan. Residents of Section 8 housing might have to paint their entry door bubblegum-pink to let the whole building forever see their shame.
