How TV murderer was reprimanded for wearing an Obama badge to report on elections

[2aguy]

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

The CDC has been banned from studying guns since 1996 after Kellerman blew a hole in the NRA's reasoning.

But these numbers are absurd on their face.

Besides the fact that you have numbers that range from 65,000 to 3,000,000, which should make you think.

"Well, I have 3 million dollars. Or maybe just $65,000. One of those!" Any accountant would be FIRED for an inability to nail things down to that degree.

But let's take it a step further. What we do know is that according to the FBI, only 200 gun homicides by civilians are ruled "Justified".

That would mean out of 65,000 cases of a situation where a gun nut felt the need to pull out his penis compensator to feel all safe and stuff, they only shot someone who had it coming 200 times. That would mean they showed restraint 99.7% of the time. Absolutely absurd when you listen to the gun nuts here rubbing one out talking about all the people they just can't wait to shoot.

The numbers become more ludicrous if you use the 3,000,000 DGU Number. 3 million times gun nuts have thrown down, and they only kill the bad guy .0067% of the time?

Why is it that you anti gun extremists say 200 gun homicides are the only time guns are used to stop crime, and they always result in killing the criminal.....do you guys actually use the brains in your head? Wait, don't answer that....we know you don't.

 

[2aguy]

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

The CDC has been banned from studying guns since 1996 after Kellerman blew a hole in the NRA's reasoning.

But these numbers are absurd on their face.

Besides the fact that you have numbers that range from 65,000 to 3,000,000, which should make you think.

"Well, I have 3 million dollars. Or maybe just $65,000. One of those!" Any accountant would be FIRED for an inability to nail things down to that degree.

But let's take it a step further. What we do know is that according to the FBI, only 200 gun homicides by civilians are ruled "Justified".

That would mean out of 65,000 cases of a situation where a gun nut felt the need to pull out his penis compensator to feel all safe and stuff, they only shot someone who had it coming 200 times. That would mean they showed restraint 99.7% of the time. Absolutely absurd when you listen to the gun nuts here rubbing one out talking about all the people they just can't wait to shoot.

The numbers become more ludicrous if you use the 3,000,000 DGU Number. 3 million times gun nuts have thrown down, and they only kill the bad guy .0067% of the time?

The CDC was banned from propagandizing against guns...gun research has continued and kellerman, the liar is still lying....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer

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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[Darkwind]

this horrific murder would of never happened if we had a President Romney! remember what that dude said before he took out nine people in South Carolina?

WRONG.....These disgusting Murders would never have happened if you had NO GUNS.....................theliq Australia......LIKE US SAY NO TO GUNS.

lmao

 

[JoeB131]

Why is it that you anti gun extremists say 200 gun homicides are the only time guns are used to stop crime, and they always result in killing the criminal.....do you guys actually use the brains in your head? Wait, don't answer that....we know you don't.

That isn't what I said.

I said it UNLIKELY you could have 65,000 to 3,000,000 incidents a year where guns are drawn and only end up with 200 dead bodies on the ground. People just aren't that capable of self control when they are stressed and scared.

The CDC was banned from propagandizing against guns...gun research has continued and kellerman, the liar is still lying....

You mean they told you someting you didn't want to hear.

Hypothetical situation. Let's say that we revisited Kellerman's topic, we all agreed on a methodology, and lo and behold, you came up with the exact same figures Kellerman did. That for every time a crook was killed by a homeowner, you had 43 suicides, accidents and domestic murders.

Would it change your mind? Somehow I doubt it. Your devotion to guns is faith based, not fact based.

 

[2aguy]

Why is it that you anti gun extremists say 200 gun homicides are the only time guns are used to stop crime, and they always result in killing the criminal.....do you guys actually use the brains in your head? Wait, don't answer that....we know you don't.

That isn't what I said.

I said it UNLIKELY you could have 65,000 to 3,000,000 incidents a year where guns are drawn and only end up with 200 dead bodies on the ground. People just aren't that capable of self control when they are stressed and scared.

The CDC was banned from propagandizing against guns...gun research has continued and kellerman, the liar is still lying....

You mean they told you someting you didn't want to hear.

Hypothetical situation. Let's say that we revisited Kellerman's topic, we all agreed on a methodology, and lo and behold, you came up with the exact same figures Kellerman did. That for every time a crook was killed by a homeowner, you had 43 suicides, accidents and domestic murders.

Would it change your mind? Somehow I doubt it. Your devotion to guns is faith based, not fact based.

Kellerman was show to have been wrong..and admitted it....he included criminals breaking into homes as "aquaintances" moron.

 

[2aguy]

Try this..

https://www.saf.org/wp-content/uploads/journals/JFPP11.pdf

For example, it is a useful exercise to contrast Hemenway’s assessment of the NSDS results with his uncritical citation (Hemenway 1997b, p. 1442) of findings from a bizarre study (Kellermann et al. 1995) in which the authors assessed the frequency of DGUs linked with home invasion crimes entirely on the basis of the number of times victims volunteered information about such DGUs to Atlanta police.

According to the Atlanta Police Department, the offense report forms that their officers fill out do not include a box or other place calling for information about victim weapon use, nor are officers trained or required to ask crime victims about such things. Thus, information about victim weapon use, no matter how common it might in fact be, would almost never appear in police offense reports (a fact reported in the journal that published the Kellermann article––see Fotis 1996; confirmed by Kooi 1997).

Nevertheless, solely on the basis of Atlanta Police Department offense reports, Kellermann and his colleagues concluded that DGUs almost never occurred in connection with home invasion crimes, because they were almost never mentioned in the offense reports!

Having made no effort to uncover any DGUs in a way likely to locate any, Kellermann et al. saw nothing wrong with concluding that they almost never occur. Hemenway likewise treated the results of this study as if they indicate something about how often DGUs actually occur in connection with this sort of crime (“in only 3 cases [1.5%] was a victim able to use a firearm in self-defense”––p. 1442). He evidently either could not see any flaws in Kellermann’s reasoning, or did not feel obliged to point them out to readers, if uncritically citing these obviously non sequitur conclusions could be used to advance his arguments. Apparently no study could be too transparently and fatally flawed, if it supported the rare DGU thesis.

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For example, Kellermann and his colleagues discussed the issue of DGU in a recent paper, but omitted any mention of any of the surveys indicating large numbers of DGUs. Instead they cited only the NCVS estimate (1995, p. 1761). Even if Kellermann and his colleagues did not know of all 15 of the other surveys that had been conducted by the time their article was written, they clearly knew of the existence of at least six contradictory surveys, since these early surveys were reviewed in a source that Kellermann et al. cited and presumably had read (see their note 24, citing Kleck 1988). Thus it is fair to say that Kellermann and his colleagues knowingly withheld from their readers information from at least six surveys contradicting their low-DGU claims.

 

[2aguy]

And more on why kellerman is a hack....

Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home

Who's at higher risk for homicide?
(The percentages in this paragraph are based on an examination of Kellermann's ICPSR dataset.)
As mentioned, a reasonable estimate of gun victims killed by a gun from the victim's home is 34%. However, this number drops to 12.6% when households having a prior arrestee are excluded, and drops further to 7% when households with prior arrests, illicit drug use, or a history of violence are excluded. (That's 3.5% of all matched cases. Likewise, the previously mentioned 4½ percent figure of all homicides involving a victim killed by a gun in the home falls to 2.1%.)

These percentages indicate Kellermann's study essentially shows that households with guns in the hands of residents having criminal records, illicit drug use, or prior histories of violence, are at a higher risk of experiencing domestic homicides.

As a Dr. Pat Baranello writes in a letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine, "What the article failed to address is that gun ownership by responsible people is not a risk factor (source)." Kellermann's response (contained in the same source) although a true statement, sidesteps the letter writer's point. Kellerman's response was, "Although we noted a degree of association among several behavioral risk factors, each contributed independently to the risk of homicide."

Households with persons having a criminal history or violence prone personality are at an increased risk for homicide, and a gun in the hands of these kinds of persons also most likely independently increases homicide risk more so than it does for law-abiding gun owning households.

 

[JoeB131]

Kellerman was show to have been wrong..and admitted it....he included criminals breaking into homes as "aquaintances" moron.

No he didn't. Even if he had, it wouldn't have skewed his numbers that much. of the 43 aquantenince deaths, 39 were suicides, a .5 were accidents. No dispute on those, a gun in the house caused a death.

So in the 3.5 that were homicides, guess what, most of those really, really were people who knew each other. 80% of murders, the victim and killer know each other.

 

[2aguy]

Kellerman was show to have been wrong..and admitted it....he included criminals breaking into homes as "aquaintances" moron.

No he didn't. Even if he had, it wouldn't have skewed his numbers that much. of the 43 aquantenince deaths, 39 were suicides, a .5 were accidents. No dispute on those, a gun in the house caused a death.

So in the 3.5 that were homicides, guess what, most of those really, really were people who knew each other. 80% of murders, the victim and killer know each other.

You are a moron.....suicides don't count, but thanks for pointing out another fact...anti gun extremists have to bring in suicides to push up their numbers because actual gun deaths are tiny in comparison to our population and even to othe ways people die, including falling and car accidents.......

Suicides don't count joe, you moron, because half of the suicides in this country happen without guns, which means that without guns, the other half would simply use the other methods.....

And Japan, china, South korea, Hungary, Poland and any other number of countries with strict gun control all have higher suicide rates than we do......

 

[2aguy]

Kellerman was show to have been wrong..and admitted it....he included criminals breaking into homes as "aquaintances" moron.

No he didn't. Even if he had, it wouldn't have skewed his numbers that much. of the 43 aquantenince deaths, 39 were suicides, a .5 were accidents. No dispute on those, a gun in the house caused a death.

So in the 3.5 that were homicides, guess what, most of those really, really were people who knew each other. 80% of murders, the victim and killer know each other.

Yes....the drug user, or the gang bangers knew the other drug users and gang bangers.....but that isn't what you morons imply...you imply that the average joe citizen, sitting at home, suddenly decides to murder everyone in the home..........you guys are a joke.....

Who's at higher risk for homicide?
(The percentages in this paragraph are based on an examination of Kellermann's ICPSR dataset.)
As mentioned, a reasonable estimate of gun victims killed by a gun from the victim's home is 34%.


However, this number drops to 12.6% when households having a prior arrestee are excluded, and drops further to 7% when households with prior arrests, illicit drug use, or a history of violence are excluded. (That's 3.5% of all matched cases. Likewise, the previously mentioned 4½ percent figure of all homicides involving a victim killed by a gun in the home falls to 2.1%.)

These percentages indicate Kellermann's study essentially shows that households with guns in the hands of residents having criminal records, illicit drug use, or prior histories of violence, are at a higher risk of experiencing domestic homicides.

As a Dr. Pat Baranello writes in a letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine, "What the article failed to address is that gun ownership by responsible people is not a risk factor (source)."

Kellermann's response (contained in the same source) although a true statement, sidesteps the letter writer's point. Kellerman's response was, "Although we noted a degree of association among several behavioral risk factors, each contributed independently to the risk of homicide."

Households with persons having a criminal history or violence prone personality are at an increased risk for homicide, and a gun in the hands of these kinds of persons also most likely independently increases homicide risk more so than it does for law-abiding gun owning households.

 

[2aguy]

Kellerman was show to have been wrong..and admitted it....he included criminals breaking into homes as "aquaintances" moron.

No he didn't. Even if he had, it wouldn't have skewed his numbers that much. of the 43 aquantenince deaths, 39 were suicides, a .5 were accidents. No dispute on those, a gun in the house caused a death.

So in the 3.5 that were homicides, guess what, most of those really, really were people who knew each other. 80% of murders, the victim and killer know each other.

And even more ways to show why kellerman doesn't know what he is talking about....

Unaccounted confounders


Kleck believes the 2.7 association is at least partly attributable to confounding factors known to be strongly associated with both gun ownership and homicide victimization. "For example, Kellermann et al. failed to control for whether subjects were drug dealers or members of street gangs, persons who are both much more likely to own guns and far more likely to become victims of homicide."

Kleck cites research claiming, "street gang members were 8.8 times more likely to own handguns than other youths, and that those who sold illicit drugs were 3.7 times more likely to own a handgun.

In turn, gang members are 19 times more likely, and drug dealers at least six times more likely to be homicide victims. These risk factors would easily be large enough to create a spurious odds ratio..."

(Targeting Guns, pp. 244-45.) Another source cites a paper finding "gang members are 60 times more likely than members of the general population to die through homicide." (Hutson, H. Range, et al. Feb. 3, 1994. "Adolescents and children injured or killed in drive-by shootings in Los Angeles." The New England Journal of Medicine. Vol 330, no. 5. P. 326.)

 

[JoeB131]

Yes....the drug user, or the gang bangers knew the other drug users and gang bangers.....but that isn't what you morons imply...you imply that the average joe citizen, sitting at home, suddenly decides to murder everyone in the home..........you guys are a joke.....

Guy, I've known three people who've died from gun violence. One lived right next door to me. None of them were gang-bangers or drug users.

one was a husband who shot his wife during an argument, then cut up the body and tried to dispose of it. Up to that point, he was a law-abiding citizen.

 

[JoeB131]

Kleck believes the 2.7 association is at least partly attributable to confounding factors known to be strongly associated with both gun ownership and homicide victimization. "For example, Kellermann et al. failed to control for whether subjects were drug dealers or members of street gangs, persons who are both much more likely to own guns and far more likely to become victims of homicide."

So you say it's okay if people are murdered if they have bad relatives? Is this what you are saying?

Why don't you just go ahead and say, "Those murder victims don't count, they're darkies!" It would be substationally more honest and then we can move on.

I guess that's why you are horrified by THIS shooting. Those are nice pretty white people getting killed, and someone might start askign questions, like, "Why do we let crazy people buy guns?"

 

[2aguy]

Yes....the drug user, or the gang bangers knew the other drug users and gang bangers.....but that isn't what you morons imply...you imply that the average joe citizen, sitting at home, suddenly decides to murder everyone in the home..........you guys are a joke.....

Guy, I've known three people who've died from gun violence. One lived right next door to me. None of them were gang-bangers or drug users.

one was a husband who shot his wife during an argument, then cut up the body and tried to dispose of it. Up to that point, he was a law-abiding citizen.

Odds are moron if he shot his wife he had deeper psychological problems that you didn't see, and more than likely was physically abusive for a long time before he shot her....considering he cut up the body.......yeah, deep psychological problems that were there a long time before the gun was in the picture.

 

[Buzz Jenkins]

Well you didn't expect him to be anything else, now the proof he was a fucking Obuma DemocRAT!

dailymail.co.uk ^ | 8/27/2015 | Ben Ashford
Warped TV reporter Vester Lee Flanagan exasperated bosses with his 'stiff and nervous' delivery, his inability to use a teleprompter - and by wearing a President Obama badge during an election report, Daily Mail Online can reveal. Management at WDBJ dubbed the failed newsman the 'human tape recorder' because he frequently parroted what interviewees had told him rather than doing his own journalism. Flanagan, 41, clashed repeatedly with photojournalists, belittling them in public and intimidating them with his violent temper, according to internal reports. He was also censured for wearing an Obama sticker while recording a segment at a polling...

Sounds like he needed a good ass beating.

 

[mudwhistle]

this horrific murder would of never happened if we had a President Romney! remember what that dude said before he took out nine people in South Carolina?

WRONG.....These disgusting Murders would never have happened if you had NO GUNS.....................theliq Australia......LIKE US SAY NO TO GUNS.

These murders wouldn't be happening if we didn't have alot of things:

1. A president that doesn't follow the law or the Constitution
2. A president that is actively trying to divide this country along racial lines
3. A society that doesn't lock people up that pose a threat to their community until after they commit heinous crimes
4. A president who is releasing criminals into our streets by the hundreds of thousands
5. A president that has more in common with thugs and drug dealers than law-abiding citizens
6. A court system filled with liberal judges that give criminals a slap on the wrist
7. Cities that are being run by racists that want to give thugs room to destroy
8. Politicians that are only interested in making themselves rich....not making life better for their constituency
9. Political-correctness that makes deviance something to admire and loving God a crime
10. A society that punishes success and rewards failure

 

[JoeB131]

Odds are moron if he shot his wife he had deeper psychological problems that you didn't see, and more than likely was physically abusive for a long time before he shot her....considering he cut up the body.......yeah, deep psychological problems that were there a long time before the gun was in the picture.

Ummm, no. Actually, he was kind of a regular guy from the hood. Who just happened to have a gun during an argument that went wrong.

Hey, guy, do you know what would have happened in Japan. Argument go wrong, no one has a gun, everyone gets to live.

 

[2aguy]

Odds are moron if he shot his wife he had deeper psychological problems that you didn't see, and more than likely was physically abusive for a long time before he shot her....considering he cut up the body.......yeah, deep psychological problems that were there a long time before the gun was in the picture.

Ummm, no. Actually, he was kind of a regular guy from the hood. Who just happened to have a gun during an argument that went wrong.

Hey, guy, do you know what would have happened in Japan. Argument go wrong, no one has a gun, everyone gets to live.

And then they hang themselves....or haven't you heard of the problem with family murder in Japan.....

 

[JoeB131]

And then they hang themselves....or haven't you heard of the problem with family murder in Japan.....

Japen has nowhere near or crime rates. They have nowhere near our murder rates.

 

[turtledude]

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DGU are a fantasy.

And I amgoing with my figures, but your figures are STILL way too high.

actually to scum sucking gun banners like you they are a nightmare.