How we know Hitler was right wing.

[SSDD]

again, when you are talking about socialism, right wing and left wing simply talk about opposite ends of the same house.

That is simply gibberish.

Randomly assembling political terms into a row does not amount to an argument of any form.

And you think putting them on a horseshoe is somehow different.

National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany ANY definition of these terms will help you to understand that left wing politics extend across a massive spectrum from Stalinism at one extreme, to Centrist Capitalism at the other. [/quote]

Nazis were socialists...marxists were socialist...communists were socialists...fascists were socialists....right and left wing is nothing more than a description of how they went about making the population subservient to the state.

From left to right along that line we move from Stalinism to Marxism & Socialism to Greens to Social Democrats to Centrists.

And they are all socialists.

Look, it is completely fine that you don't understand these terms, but what is hugely annoying is your complete and constant refusal to actually read and research. In 10 minutes on google you could have spared the board 100 posts of nonsense.

I understand them fine. It is you who is trying to defend the claim that the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany were not socialists.

And I have done the research which is why I don't need google and whatever revisionist history I might find there. All one need do is look at the social programs hitler instituted in germany to see that he was, in fact, a socialist.

 

[bripat9643]

I am really trying to be patient with you on this, SSDD, really I am.

The Nazis used the word 'socialist' in an entirely different way from what you and I use and understand the term. Socialism is inherently left wing - Nazism is inherently right wing. Thus, 'Nazism' used the term 'socialist', but not the philosophy you are thinking of.

You're begging the question. You're using what you are trying to conclude as a premise in your syllogism. You have to prove Nazism was right-wing. You can't just assume it.

If we go back to the origins of the term 'Nazi' and its usage in Italy, then there were genuinely socialist influences mixed in with extreme right wing concepts, but few of these ever found their way into Nazism. Nazism jumped some distance to the right as it moved from Italy to Germany.

You mean fascism. The Nazis didn't exist in Italy.

I would be delighted to recommend three or four books which would explain why and how and when and give you as much info as might like.

There's no shortage of Marxist literature on the subject of the Nazis. It's all propaganda.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I don't understand how so many people can think fascism is extreme left. You open a dictionary and it defines fascism as politically right. Open a history book, take a class. Does no one here remember history 101 in high school?

The left, meaning socialists, have been trying since the 40's to distance themselves from the reality that nazis were socialist. It is patently rediculous to know that the party identified themselves as nationalist socialists and then claim that they were not socialists.

That is utter nonsense, of course - historians working during WWII also record Fascism as being right wing - check Hildebrand, for one. I can list another half dozen if you are genuinely interested.

As I mentioned earlier - PLEASE check what political terms mean before you using them. Just posting them at random - and right now that is EXACTLY what you are doing - makes discussion impossible.

You did not pay any attention to Hitlers 25 points did you?

 

[bripat9643]

The left, meaning socialists, have been trying since the 40's to distance themselves from the reality that nazis were socialist. It is patently rediculous to know that the party identified themselves as nationalist socialists and then claim that they were not socialists.

That is utter nonsense, of course - historians working during WWII also record Fascism as being right wing - check Hildebrand, for one. I can list another half dozen if you are genuinely interested.

As I mentioned earlier - PLEASE check what political terms mean before you using them. Just posting them at random - and right now that is EXACTLY what you are doing - makes discussion impossible.

You did not pay any attention to Hitlers 25 points did you?

Of course he didn't. When do left-wingers pay attention to any facts the pop their delusions?

 

[francoHFW]

If Hitler was a socialist, how come he didn't socialize any industry? And you don't count seizing jewish assets...DER!

His 25 points AND socialist in the name of the party were Hitler's PROPAGANDA!! Which you swallow as easily as all the Pubcrappe that makes the GOP the laughingstock of the world. Beck is a HS grad cokehead dj charlatan A-hole...your hero...ay caramba. Change the channel and read a history book.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Thanks to editec, we now know what Hitler was talking about when he opposed liberalism.

LIBERALISMAn ideology that upholds private property, individual rights, legal equality, freedom of choice and democratic government. Liberalism suggests that the essence of freedom is to be free from constraint. Liberalism is an ideology that supports capitalism and advocates the principle of free markets, left largely undirected by governments. While liberalism upholds free markets, it also places great value on equal of opportunity and is strongly opposed to ascriptive processes in society, since they restrict individual choice and deny equal access to satisfaction. In the twentieth century, a more active view of the state's role in creating improved equality of opportunity in society became important within liberalism. (This trend in liberalism was also a reaction to the development of trade unions and of socialist and populist movements.) There was a massive expansion in state -provided education, social programs etc. from the end of the 19th century until the 1960's and 1970's. In the 1980's and 1990's a more classical view of liberalism has returned to prominence, one that advocates a much smaller role for the state and increased reliance on the workings of the free market. In making this argument, classical liberals claim that intervention in the market rarely, if ever, promotes choice, but frustrates the market adjustments that ultimately improve efficiency, the wealth of society and the ability of individuals to make choices. See: CLASSICAL LIBERALISM / NEO-LIBERALISM / .

Keep telling me about how Hitler was right wing.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If Hitler was a socialist, how come he didn't socialize any industry? And you don't count seizing jewish assets...DER!

His 25 points AND socialist in the name of the party were Hitler's PROPAGANDA!! Which you swallow as easily as all the Pubcrappe that makes the GOP the laughingstock of the world. Beck is a HS grad cokehead dj charlatan A-hole...your hero...ay caramba. Change the channel and read a history book.

Gee, thanks for proving how well informed you are.

 

[francoHFW]

and "classical Liberalism" is ANOTHER brand new RW Propaganda piece, for dupes only...

The political spectrum has nothing to do with the size of gov't- it's about policy- RW = capitalist, LW = amount of gov't ownership of industry...Dems and socialists, not so much- communists all of it- that's why they're the totalitarians...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If Hitler was a socialist, how come he didn't socialize any industry? And you don't count seizing jewish assets...DER!

His 25 points AND socialist in the name of the party were Hitler's PROPAGANDA!! Which you swallow as easily as all the Pubcrappe that makes the GOP the laughingstock of the world. Beck is a HS grad cokehead dj charlatan A-hole...your hero...ay caramba. Change the channel and read a history book.

the government doesn't have to take control when numb nuts like you are willing to give it free and clear

 

[bigrebnc1775]

and "classical Liberalism" is ANOTHER brand new RW Propaganda piece, for dupes only...

The political spectrum has nothing to do with the size of gov't- it's about policy- RW = capitalist, LW = amount of gov't ownership of industry...Dems and socialists, not so much- communists all of it- that's why they're the totalitarians...

Hitler was one of yours.

 

[Oddball]

and "classical Liberalism" is ANOTHER brand new RW Propaganda piece, for dupes only...

F.A. Hayek used the term to differentiate libertarians from the fake progressive/socialist "liberals" nearly 70 years ago, you blooming dope.

 

[francoHFW]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz SO? lol

Born yesterday on Beck, now knows everything...

 

[Political Junky]

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."
Benito Mussolini

 

[Pogo]

Intense -

Not all tyrants and dictators share the same philosophy and ideology. Yes, Stalin, Mao and Hitler were tyrants and dictators, but no, Hitler was not a communist.

The funny thing is, I have never seen a left wing poster attempt to re-write history and claim Stalin was right wing. And yet this week we have seen TWO right-wing posters attempt to re-write history and pretend Hitler was left wing.

Tyrants, are pretty much by nature, Totalitarian, Left, Right, is as insignificant as the label on the bullet aimed at one's head. The end result is the same. Hitler was a Socialist. It's a label. When absolute power and control is the end game, when people are looked at as nothing more than property, possessions, commodities, when the concept of Rights is sacrificed for the convenience of the State, the Collective, the Party, the Few, it's the same end. Maybe the clearer focus is Justice V.S. Injustice, as opposed to Left V.S. Right. What ever the brand, when power becomes extreme, there is a disconnect from knowing what is correct action, and being a minister of it. No construct is of more value than it's Prime Purpose. It's when we close our eyes to that, that the atrocities start, both Right and Left.

Hitler was no "socialist". The term was in the party's name before he came to power and he disapproved of it (the name as well as the ideology). He considered socialists to be enemies of the state and locked them up.

Saigon, I have seen several posters, here and elsewhere on the Net, try to float this revisionism. I'll repost some old stuff if I get the time. As I keep telling them, to conclude "Hitler's a leftist" based on the presence of the word "socialist" in the party's name is going to make it hard to explain the Democratic Republic of Congo, the DPRK, and of course the GDR. A name is a name, and a political name is propaganda. And propagana of course never lies

Historical revisionism is unfortunately a popular pastime of late. They seem to think if a lie is repeated often enough, some people will eventually believe it. Hard to see where they get that idea.

 

[Oddball]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz SO? lol

So, you're a goddamn idiot.

Next idiotic question?

 

[Antares]

Prove it kid.

...and disprove my earlier post

and "classical Liberalism" is ANOTHER brand new RW Propaganda piece, for dupes only...

The political spectrum has nothing to do with the size of gov't- it's about policy- RW = capitalist, LW = amount of gov't ownership of industry...Dems and socialists, not so much- communists all of it- that's why they're the totalitarians...

 

[francoHFW]

read a history book...

 

[Antares]

Deflecting won't work kid, its in your best interest to ignore me...you won't like the outcome if you don't....


Prove Bush said it...c'mon....

read a history book...

 

[francoHFW]

actually Polisci textbook.

 

[francoHFW]

Bush said what?