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Is there evidence any of these punks were out on bail? If not, the new bail laws have nothing to do with this.
Is there evidence any of these punks were out on bail? If not, the new bail laws have nothing to do with this.
Right cause-effect challenged PROG, right.
Is there evidence any of these punks were out on bail? If not, the new bail laws have nothing to do with this.
Right cause-effect challenged PROG, right.
No. Facts.
Unless you can confirm otherwise, none of them were on bail, so the new laws had nothing to do with this swarming. That's the fact. I could tell you cameras in your home monitored by the state via wifi would prevent domestic crimes, would all Americans sign up for that? If this is your cause-effect argument, no cameras in your home, more domestic crimes?
I'm not making excuses for them, find them, arrest them and charge them. I'm refuting the claim which too many make that somehow early bail, which by the way, philosophically I disagree with and have stated so in Canada (and I've never required bail in my life), is related to this case, or, added crime. There are cases of serious crime in which keeping someone in jail makes sense, not all cases.
Here is the problem with holding people in prison without a crime it defies logic to assume guilt before it being proven in court. That's basic due process. It might be inconvenient and I'm sure it's frustrating to a cop who might have seen the crime, but that's how we ensure freedom and less govt abuse. Otherwise you will let media and the state decide your fate.
Second, what if someone sits in a jail cell for 2 months awaiting trial and the judge just fines them, gives them community service or puts them on probation? They already did jail time that no judge agreed to and which the judge didn't see fit for the crime they committed.
Democracy and liberty are difficult. No question. Sometimes a guy is going to be paroled and he will commit another crime. There is no system that is perfect, you try and do what's right and hope for redemption (a little more religion in citizens lives would help here, but I digress), but, sometimes you will fail. You can't lock up people for life for parking tickets, jay walking or even assaults. That's the only option you have left, and don't be surprised if people are arrested for their political views if you agree with this approach...
Is there evidence any of these punks were out on bail? If not, the new bail laws have nothing to do with this.
Right cause-effect challenged PROG, right.
No. Facts.
Unless you can confirm otherwise, none of them were on bail, so the new laws had nothing to do with this swarming. That's the fact. I could tell you cameras in your home monitored by the state via wifi would prevent domestic crimes, would all Americans sign up for that? If this is your cause-effect argument, no cameras in your home, more domestic crimes?
I'm not making excuses for them, find them, arrest them and charge them. I'm refuting the claim which too many make that somehow early bail, which by the way, philosophically I disagree with and have stated so in Canada (and I've never required bail in my life), is related to this case, or, added crime. There are cases of serious crime in which keeping someone in jail makes sense, not all cases.
Here is the problem with holding people in prison without a crime it defies logic to assume guilt before it being proven in court. That's basic due process. It might be inconvenient and I'm sure it's frustrating to a cop who might have seen the crime, but that's how we ensure freedom and less govt abuse. Otherwise you will let media and the state decide your fate.
Second, what if someone sits in a jail cell for 2 months awaiting trial and the judge just fines them, gives them community service or puts them on probation? They already did jail time that no judge agreed to and which the judge didn't see fit for the crime they committed.
Democracy and liberty are difficult. No question. Sometimes a guy is going to be paroled and he will commit another crime. There is no system that is perfect, you try and do what's right and hope for redemption (a little more religion in citizens lives would help here, but I digress), but, sometimes you will fail. You can't lock up people for life for parking tickets, jay walking or even assaults. That's the only option you have left, and don't be surprised if people are arrested for their political views if you agree with this approach...
Gosh you're right. With exception of this occasion they're all responsible members of the community.
Charged? Oh sure, charged, released and a PROG-scolding they were naughty.
In my world the kid who stole her shoes loses a hand, and the rest lose toes and fingers. Then we set them free.
Then one of these animals stole the guy's shoes.
Is there evidence any of these punks were out on bail? If not, the new bail laws have nothing to do with this.
Right cause-effect challenged PROG, right.
No. Facts.
Unless you can confirm otherwise, none of them were on bail, so the new laws had nothing to do with this swarming. That's the fact. I could tell you cameras in your home monitored by the state via wifi would prevent domestic crimes, would all Americans sign up for that? If this is your cause-effect argument, no cameras in your home, more domestic crimes?
I'm not making excuses for them, find them, arrest them and charge them. I'm refuting the claim which too many make that somehow early bail, which by the way, philosophically I disagree with and have stated so in Canada (and I've never required bail in my life), is related to this case, or, added crime. There are cases of serious crime in which keeping someone in jail makes sense, not all cases.
Here is the problem with holding people in prison without a crime it defies logic to assume guilt before it being proven in court. That's basic due process. It might be inconvenient and I'm sure it's frustrating to a cop who might have seen the crime, but that's how we ensure freedom and less govt abuse. Otherwise you will let media and the state decide your fate.
Second, what if someone sits in a jail cell for 2 months awaiting trial and the judge just fines them, gives them community service or puts them on probation? They already did jail time that no judge agreed to and which the judge didn't see fit for the crime they committed.
Democracy and liberty are difficult. No question. Sometimes a guy is going to be paroled and he will commit another crime. There is no system that is perfect, you try and do what's right and hope for redemption (a little more religion in citizens lives would help here, but I digress), but, sometimes you will fail. You can't lock up people for life for parking tickets, jay walking or even assaults. That's the only option you have left, and don't be surprised if people are arrested for their political views if you agree with this approach...
Gosh you're right. With exception of this occasion they're all responsible members of the community.
You conflate two different issues.
Do you think somehow if the law were "hey, if you commit an assault we are going to hold you" had any impact on this crime?
That girl could have been killed. Do you think any of these kids considered that they might do life in prison? If they didn't consider this, they aren't concerned about changes to bail laws.
I didn't say they were responsible members of the community, stop putting words in my mouth. There are PLENTY of really really bad people walking the streets. Some steal the life savings of the elderly, others commit violent crimes, some go into communities and drum up crime for their budgets, we could go on and on. If they are caught, they deserve due process and judgement by a fair and impartial process.
As I said, freedom and civil liberty is difficult. There have been arrests, it's just a matter of time before all or most of them are charged. This attacked wasn't caused because of the bail release law in my opinion.
Then one of these animals stole the guy's shoes.
Her....They were beating on a teenage girl.
Then one of these animals stole the guy's shoes.
Her....They were beating on a teenage girl.
the girl's shoes------special sneakers
Then one of these animals stole the guy's shoes.
Her....They were beating on a teenage girl.
the girl's shoes------special sneakers
Jesus Christ, lets track these thugs down and bring back public stoning.
Then one of these animals stole the guy's shoes.
Her....They were beating on a teenage girl.
the girl's shoes------special sneakers
Jesus Christ, lets track these thugs down and bring back public stoning.
try to control yourself-----jail-time
so, I RARELY disagree with you, but I do on thisIs there evidence any of these punks were out on bail? If not, the new bail laws have nothing to do with this.
Charged? Oh sure, charged, released and a PROG-scolding they were naughty.
In my world the kid who stole her shoes loses a hand, and the rest lose toes and fingers. Then we set them free.
Then one of these animals stole the guy's shoes.
Her....They were beating on a teenage girl.
the girl's shoes------special sneakers
Jesus Christ, lets track these thugs down and bring back public stoning.
try to control yourself-----jail-time
That was attempted murder imo.