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Bipartisan outrage erupted on Friday on Capitol Hill as Robert S. Mueller III, the F.B.I. director, conceded that the bureau had improperly used the USA Patriot Act to obtain information about people and businesses.
Mr. Mueller embraced responsibility for the lapses, detailed in a report by the inspector general of the Justice Department, and promised to do everything he could to avoid repeating them.
The report found many instances when national security letters, which allow the bureau to obtain records from telephone companies, Internet service providers, banks, credit companies and other businesses without a judge’s approval, were improperly, and sometimes illegally, used.
Moreover, record keeping was so slipshod, the report found, that the actual number of national security letters exercised was often understated when the bureau reported on them to Congress, as required.
One letter demanding telephone toll-billing records yielded voice messages because a recipient was overly cooperative.
Another letter demanding e-mail transaction records was answered by e-mail contents and images.
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SHOUT SHOUT SHOUT THE BATTLECRY OF FREEDOM.
Your searches aren't safe.
Your e-mails arent' safe.
Your contracts aren't safe.
You are under siege, right now, and have been for a very long time.
Get your guns and lots of ammo, shit is going to hit the fan in this nation real soon.
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Because the NSA Data Center you read about here was just opened last week. They are transferring all these files on everyone over to their main data base. It is the only data base in country big enough to hold info on everyone in USA. It is up and running. It went online this past week. Do you see what is going on now? - Jeremiah
NSA Utah ?Data Center?: Biggest-ever domestic spying lab? | Pakalert Press
I agree. Since it's such a small number it's nothing to worry about. It's not like the Government is gonna' ask for more records later on.
Well I wouldn't say exactly nothing to worry about (power and corruption and all that) but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of concern (bordering on paranoid) reached by the OP.
The government has searched tens of millions of citizens' records. So it has already risen to a level of concern. YEARS AGO.
Wake up.
Alex Jones' "website" is a hysterical example of bullshit. Any links to "Infowars" should be disregarded by rational people, just like any links to huffpo should be disregarded because they're steaming piles of bullshit with just enough truth mixed in to make it palatable to the fringe.
If the feds are truly tracking people who visit these sites it's wrong, but there certainly are some unstable idiots out there who read that shit and do dumb things because of it.
Look at the unstable moonbats we have here. They voted for obozo twice. That's an act of terrorism in my book.
Well I wouldn't say exactly nothing to worry about (power and corruption and all that) but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of concern (bordering on paranoid) reached by the OP.
The government has searched tens of millions of citizens' records. So it has already risen to a level of concern. YEARS AGO.
Wake up.
Had the story quoted 10's of millions of these type of letters then a paranoid level of concern would be warranted about this, however it was only 7200 or so. I certainly don't approve of these National Security Letters being sent without judicial review and feel that this is another part of the rapidly passed (nudge nudge) Patriot Act that need to be revised or repealed.
Well I wouldn't say exactly nothing to worry about (power and corruption and all that) but it certainly doesn't rise to the level of concern (bordering on paranoid) reached by the OP.
The government has searched tens of millions of citizens' records. So it has already risen to a level of concern. YEARS AGO.
Wake up.
Had the story quoted 10's of millions of these type of letters then a paranoid level of concern would be warranted about this, however it was only 7200 or so. I certainly don't approve of these National Security Letters being sent without judicial review and feel that this is another part of the rapidly passed (nudge nudge) Patriot Act that need to be revised or repealed.
I guess we'll be able to catch stupid criminals now. The smart ones will move on and do just fine.
The government has searched tens of millions of citizens' records. So it has already risen to a level of concern. YEARS AGO.
Wake up.
Had the story quoted 10's of millions of these type of letters then a paranoid level of concern would be warranted about this, however it was only 7200 or so. I certainly don't approve of these National Security Letters being sent without judicial review and feel that this is another part of the rapidly passed (nudge nudge) Patriot Act that need to be revised or repealed.
You are a fool. You must be clamping your hands over your eyes and ears pretty hard for over a decade to believe this latest example is happening in a vacuum.
Im just going to come out and say it.. This isn't 1776, we aren't taking guns to church anymore and tyranny isn't really a problem.. No Law abiding citizen should be concerned about the gov't checking out google searches, because if you aren't searching "how to make a bomb" they really don't give a shit. What do you think theyre going to do? Plant info on your tool bar and give you a McCarthy style beat down?
Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, Paul Pot weren't 1776 either. Communist China isn't 1776 either.
TYranny isn't a problem?
Wtf is NDAA? Wtf is Patriot Act? Wtf is... wait where is it (I wrote this BEFORE the IRS and AP scandals):
Title of Bill:
Federal and State Tyranny Prevention Act
Be It Enacted By The Suffolk County Legislature
Preamble:
We, the people of Suffolk County, do solemnly declare that the Creator, not Government, has bestowed each individual with certain unalienable rights, and that each individual is sovereign, free to communicate, interact and contract with other sovereigns, and by nature are free to defend themselves from all threats to their life, liberty and property.
The people of Suffolk County also reject the principle of unlimited submission to their federal government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of the Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they ratified a federal government for special purposes delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State and County to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the federal government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: and that the government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the Constitution, the measure of its powers; but that, as in all other cases of compact among powers having no common judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.
However, New York State has failed in her responsibility to shield and protect her citizens from the usurpations of the federal government, and has, itself, assumed powers that are prohibited to New York State through the New York State Constitution and has both endorsed and enforced the tyrannical actions of the Federal Government. Therefore the Suffolk County Legislature must erect a bulwark shielding her citizens against the tyranny of the wicked and malicious federal and state governments.
Section I:
a. In respect to the arbitrary and monstrous nature of the Patriot Act (and other similar laws), both the United States and New York State are denied the ability to spy on any citizen of Suffolk County, unless they obtain a Warrant, supported by Oath or affirmation, particularly describing the things to be searched or seized. This Warrant must be presented to the Sheriff of Suffolk County, so that he or she has knowledge of the existence and nature of the Warrant, and may challenge the constitutional validity of the Warrant in the appropriate Suffolk County Court.
b. Any evidence obtained by the United States or New York State that circumvents the above processes, shall be inadmissible in court, and Suffolk County will shield its citizens from being arrested or detained or summoned before a state or federal tribunal, on evidence that is obtained contrary to this SECTION.
d. A federal or state Warrant that is challenged in a Suffolk County Court (by the sheriff) is rendered inoperative and is considered suspended, unless the appropriate Suffolk County Court approves the Warrant.
e. Local police and authorities reserve the right to exempt themselves from executing a federal or state search, regardless of the validity of the Warrant.
Section II:
a. In respect to the heinous implications of the National Defense Authorization Act (and other similar laws), the United States is denied the ability to kidnap any person within the boundaries of Suffolk County. The United States must obtain written permission from the Sheriff of Suffolk County before detaining or arresting an individual within Suffolk County, for any crime or violation of law thereof.
b. The failure of federal or state authorities to obtain written permission from the Sheriff of Suffolk County may be met with lethal force from either the local police or the person to be detained or arrested.
Section III:
a. Suffolk County recognizes the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States as a legitimate article of the Constitution; however, the Constitution does not authorize the use of paper fiat currency, therefore Suffolk County will cease to enforce the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, unless the federal taxes are being collected in Lawful gold or silver Coin, as prescribed by Article I, Section 10, of the United States Constitution.
b. Suffolk County will also shield any of its inhabitants from detention or arrest or being forced to appear before a federal or state tribunal for failing to pay federal or state taxes in any Thing other than gold or silver Coin.
c. All federal taxes will be collected by Suffolk County and held in a Federal Escrow Tax Account, as the Constitution of United States does not grant the Federal Government the power to collect Federal Taxes or delegate that power to any other agency. As such, the IRS is prohibited from operating within Suffolk County immediately following the enactment of this bill.
b. All states taxes will be collected by Suffolk County and held in a State Escrow Tax Account.
Section IV:
a. Suffolk County does not recognize that the United States is being Invaded, or is experiencing Rebellion; therefore in accordance to Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended for any person within the boundaries of Suffolk County.
Section V:
The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution of the United State shall be fully enforced as follows:
· No person within the boundaries of Suffolk County shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless upon a presentment of a Grand Jury.
· No person shall be charged for the same crimes in either federal or state Courts; Suffolk County shall have sole jurisdiction over crimes that overlap with federal and state jurisdiction.
· No person may be compelled to testify against themselves, whether inside or outside of Court, for any reason.
· No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.
· Private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation in gold or silver Coin.
· The enumeration of certain Fifth Amendment rights and procedures in this SECTION shall not be construed to deny or disparage other Fifth Amendment rights retained by the people.
Section VI:
The Sixth Amendment of the Constitution shall be fully enforced as follows:
· The Jury shall be fully informed of their right to judge both the law and the facts.
· If the accused challenges the jurisdiction of the Court, the Court has the burden to prove its jurisdiction.
· The accused must be explicitly informed of the law of which they have violated, and how they have violated that particular law, before being asked to enter a plea.
· The accused has the right to confront all Witnesses against him or her.
· There must be at least one Witness, which may include the aggrieved person or party, in order for the court (federal, state or county) to have criminal jurisdiction.
· The accused may present any evidence on their behalf, and argue the constitutionality and fairness of the law itself.
· In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, and may therefore have cameras or any other external recording device present during their hearing or trial, and may broadcast or stream (live uploading) to any television, radio or internet website, or any other form of existing and future media.
· The enumeration of certain Sixth Amendment rights and procedures in this SECTION shall not be construed to deny or disparage other Sixth Amendment rights retained by the people.
Section VII:
The Seventh Amendment of the Constitution of the United States shall be fully enforced as follows:
· The Twenty Dollar Clause shall be strictly applied, regardless of inflation.
· The Jury shall be fully informed of their right to judge both the law and the facts.
· No fact determined by a Jury in Suits at common law shall be re-examined, regardless of subsequent and existing Case law which says otherwise, other than according to the rules of the common law.
Section VIII:
The Eighth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States shall be fully enforced as follows:
· Bail cannot exceed more than the average monthly income of the defendant.
· In cases where flight risk or public danger are a concern (preventive dentition), the accused shall be held by the local Suffolk County authorities, regardless of the jurisdiction of the crime.
· Any citizen, resident or other inhabitant of Suffolk County, who experiences cruel or unusual punishment from federal or state authorities, shall be immediately transferred to Suffolk County authorities to serve the rest of their sentence, if not acquitted during a local re-trial.
· Failure of the federal or state governments to transfer any tortured or severely mistreated prisoner will result in Suffolk County withholding federal taxes or state taxes.
Section IX:
Resolved, that the people of Suffolk County accept that each individual is endowed by the Creator with equal and unalienable rights, and that government is not God; therefore government does not create nor grant rights, but instead is solely designed to protect those rights.
The Ninth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States shall be fully enforced as follows:
· Any operation of law by the Federal or State government, that operates outside the boundaries of their enumerated powers, shall be null and void, absent of authority and force.
· The Necessary and Proper Clause is only to grant the General (Federal) Government subsidiary abilities in order to carry out their enumerated powers. For instance, if the Federal Government needs to build a Fort, it has the ability to purchase the required materials to build that fort.
Section X:
The Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States shall be fully enforced as follows:
· All powers not delegated to the Federal government in the Constitution of the United States, nor to the government of New York State in the New York State Constitution, are reserved to Suffolk County, or to the town governments.
· Any attempt to enforce unconstitutional law shall be met with equal force.
Section XI:
The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States shall be fully enforced as follows:
· Any law by Congress which imposes a religious ideology or prohibits the practice of a religion, or persecutes a certain religion, shall be null and void, absent of authority and force.
· All licenses and requirements to operate radio, television or any and all other forms of mass media communication, including any future attempt to license and control newspapers or other physically printed articles, shall be null and void, absent of authority and force.
· Any attempt to define seditious or libelous information, shall by null and void, absent of authority and force.
· Any attempt to arrest or detain or torture or otherwise harm an individual for speaking their mind and thoughts, shall be met with equal force by Suffolk County.
· Any attempt to sabotage, electronically alter (hack) or destroy information held by individuals or companies or corporations in Suffolk County, will result in Suffolk County withholding federal or state taxes.
· The right of people to peacefully assemble, at any public location, or private location (upon Consent of the Owner), shall not be abridged in any way, nor shall any permit or license be required. Any attempt to disrupt peaceful assembly may be met with lethal force by either individual citizens or local authorities.
· The right to petition the Federal and States Governments a redress of grievances, shall not be punishable by any means, and any punishment shall be met with either lethal force (if within Suffolk County) or will result in Suffolk County withholding federal or state taxes.
· Suffolk County has exclusive jurisdiction over all the definitions and prosecutions and punishments of internet crimes.
Section XII:
The Third Amendment to the Constitution of the United States was written to deter the establishment of a police state through the use of standing armies. Today, the federal government can impose a police state without the use of standing armies, the federal government need only to fly surveillance drones, armed or unarmed, over our skies.
We, the people of Suffolk County, recognize the quartering of drones over our skies, without our Consent, as a violation of the Third Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, and shall not Consent to their presence hovering above households, threatening the security of our persons and homes, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment.
The Third Amendment of the Constitution of the United States shall be fully enforced as follows:
· The United States is denied from flying drones over Suffolk County.
· Any drones flying over Suffolk County may be dismantled, disabled or destroyed by local authorities or regular citizens.
· Any attempt to fly manned aircraft over our skies shall result in the withholding of federal or state taxes.
· Any attempt to quarter Soldiers among the inhabitants of Suffolk County, shall be met with lethal force.
· Any attempt to station naval ships to blockade or otherwise obstruct our ports, shall result in immediate secession from the Union and New York State.
Section XIII:
There is only one logical interpretation of the Second Amendment, and that is that it shall not be infringed. Any other practice is a paradox, for it contradicts the very purpose of the Second Amendment in its entirety; it is the ultimate form of popular recourse against tyranny, and thus no potential tyrants may restrict it. The Second Amendment is the Supreme Sovereign; to surrender the Second Amendment, is to surrender the sovereignty of self-government, therefore:
The Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States shall be fully enforced as follows:
· Suffolk County recognizes that no criminal will abide any firearm regulation.
· All federal, state and local laws governing the possession and usage of any and all firearms, are hereby null and void, without authority or force.
Any attempt by the United States or the State of New York to impose tyrannical measures to control the supply, distribution, possession or usage of any and all firearms in Suffolk County, shall result in immediate secession from the Union and New York State.
Section XIV:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Resolved, that among these unalienable rights, is the right to contract, therefore no person shall be forced into contract with any other person or entity, therefore the Health Insurance Mandate, and all other similar mandates are null and void, without authority or force. Any attempt to enforce such laws repugnant to the natural rights of man shall result in immediate secession from the Union and New York State.
Section XV:
· This bill shall be enacted 91 days after its passage.
Let me rephrase, tyranny in America isn't a problem. The Patriot act is not a problem, it is a solution. One that I fully support. This is why the constitution should be considered a living document. The founding fathers could not imagine the world we live in today and we shouldn't assume that the words they wrote can be applicable to modern issues like these. The minute you sign on to the internet you are vanquishing any right to personal privacy. The internet is public domain. What are you so afraid of? The U.S. Government going Joseph Stalin on its people? Are you joking?
Let me rephrase, tyranny in America isn't a problem. The Patriot act is not a problem, it is a solution. One that I fully support. This is why the constitution should be considered a living document. The founding fathers could not imagine the world we live in today and we shouldn't assume that the words they wrote can be applicable to modern issues like these. The minute you sign on to the internet you are vanquishing any right to personal privacy. The internet is public domain. What are you so afraid of? The U.S. Government going Joseph Stalin on its people? Are you joking?
And do you know why Tyranny isn't a problem in the US (at least as bad as it is in totalitarian countries)? Because our Founding Fathers gave us a document called the Constitution, but the Constitution cannot ENFORCE ITSELF, in the end it is a piece of paper. It is our job to maintain it via Elections, Juries and, in the worst case scenario, force (Battle of Athens, Tennessee, 1946))
Let me rephrase, tyranny in America isn't a problem. The Patriot act is not a problem, it is a solution. One that I fully support. This is why the constitution should be considered a living document. The founding fathers could not imagine the world we live in today and we shouldn't assume that the words they wrote can be applicable to modern issues like these. The minute you sign on to the internet you are vanquishing any right to personal privacy. The internet is public domain. What are you so afraid of? The U.S. Government going Joseph Stalin on its people? Are you joking?
And do you know why Tyranny isn't a problem in the US (at least as bad as it is in totalitarian countries)? Because our Founding Fathers gave us a document called the Constitution, but the Constitution cannot ENFORCE ITSELF, in the end it is a piece of paper. It is our job to maintain it via Elections, Juries and, in the worst case scenario, force (Battle of Athens, Tennessee, 1946))
Tyranny isn't a problem today in America because it just isn't. Do you think that if tomorrow we took the constitution away Obama would enforce martial law and we would be forced into the gulags if we didn't abide? The internet is not a private place and if the government thinks it can be a more efficient protector of my safety by checking out my Google searches then I have no issue. Why do you?
And do you know why Tyranny isn't a problem in the US (at least as bad as it is in totalitarian countries)? Because our Founding Fathers gave us a document called the Constitution, but the Constitution cannot ENFORCE ITSELF, in the end it is a piece of paper. It is our job to maintain it via Elections, Juries and, in the worst case scenario, force (Battle of Athens, Tennessee, 1946))
Tyranny isn't a problem today in America because it just isn't. Do you think that if tomorrow we took the constitution away Obama would enforce martial law and we would be forced into the gulags if we didn't abide? The internet is not a private place and if the government thinks it can be a more efficient protector of my safety by checking out my Google searches then I have no issue. Why do you?
Yes, at best it would take a few generations.
I just cant see that as possible. As the time passes it just seems that the Constitution cant answer all of the problems that we have to deal with. It isn't the founders fault. They couldn't envision semiautomatic rifles or the internet. We cant assume that what they wrote is applicable to modern issues like those.
Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.
I just cant see that as possible. As the time passes it just seems that the Constitution cant answer all of the problems that we have to deal with. It isn't the founders fault. They couldn't envision semiautomatic rifles or the internet. We cant assume that what they wrote is applicable to modern issues like those.
The muskets of 1776 were the M4's of today. Would the colonists have surrendered their muskets for bows and arrows?
Here is Federalist 46:
Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.
But there wasn't the inner city problem that we deal with today. it is a different world. The second amendment is in place in order to keep the govt in line, today we do not have that ability and guns are just killing people like no other civilized nation.
But there wasn't the inner city problem that we deal with today. it is a different world. The second amendment is in place in order to keep the govt in line, today we do not have that ability and guns are just killing people like no other civilized nation.
And more than 99% of the gun murders are done by handguns, not rifles in the inner cities.
Also, gun violence is the EFFECT of crime, not the Cause.
The cause is this fictitious war on drugs --- which primiarly aimed at imprisoning black and latinos so they can't get a job, vote or a have a firearm, to keep them slaves forever, continuously dependent of big government, so their children are born to single mothers, who struggle to make ends meet, with less than half the median income, causing their local school districts to go to shit, so they don't' get properly educated, so they end up being criminals and ... drugs.
Now it's spilling into low income white communities as well. Most food stamp users are white last I recall. Open your eyes, this government is facade, its the big corporations that want to own you, patent you, [gun] CONTROL you.
OK...I only read the first two pages....but how come our Conservative, freedom loving brethren had/have no problem with Google having all this personal information to begin with?
Oh...yeah....that's right...because they're a corporation....they're allowed to do anything. Tyranny, invasion of privacy and oppression is not exclusive to "gubmint".
