Human Nature Never Changes

[PoliticalChic]

The Clinton corruption proves it.
And I will in this thread.


1. The cornerstones of Leftist doctrine...
Liberalism, Communism, Nazism Fascism, Socialism, Progresivism, is

a. with just the right government, totalitarian governance, we can achieve Utopia here on earth.

and

b. said governance can alter human nature.



2. Let me document this view:
The Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature.

a. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia

b. Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] : "The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia


c. Communism: "You Capitalists always talk about 'human nature;' but there is no such thing. Human beings are what you make them. Capitalism makes them acquisitive, selfish; it inevitably produces clashes and WAR. Communism makes persons selfless, with concern not for themselves as individuals, but for the whole society-the masses. Thus, Communism won't lead to clashes-and the whole world at last will have PEACE!" The Schwarz Report | Essays


d. In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html


You won't learn this in government school.


If you were subjected to their indoctrination....do you subscribe to this ability of government to alter human nature?

If so.....pay attention to the rest of this thread.

 

[alang1216]

Is the inverse also true?

1. The cornerstones of Rightist doctrine...

a. with just the right government, meaning no government, we can achieve Utopia here on earth.

and

b. by appealing to the basest part of humanity, "I got mine, go get your own", said governance can celebrate human nature

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is the inverse also true?

1. The cornerstones of Rightist doctrine...

a. with just the right government, meaning no government, we can achieve Utopia here on earth.

and

b. by appealing to the basest part of humanity, "I got mine, go get your own", said governance can celebrate human nature

Of course not.

You desire to appear able to respond to the OP are muted by these facts:

a. you have not the eduction
b. you have not the insight
c. you have not the honesty.


I worry that even the rest of this magnificently prepared thread will help you, due to your......limitations.

 

[PoliticalChic]

3. Leftists have appealed to science to prove their belief that human nature can be altered:

"In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food.

Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour. “I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,” Lenin explained.

Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs. “Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?” he asked.

“Exactly” replied Lenin. “Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.”… "
Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733




Would it be piling on to comment on the similarity of training dogs and the Left's followers?

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. I suggested earlier that all six Leftist political doctrines are essentially the same....These:

Liberalism, Communism, Nazism Fascism, Socialism, Progressivism




The idea of creating a 'new human species' is one more proof of the consubstantial basis of both communism and Nazism...


The birth of "The New Soviet Man" was the stated aim of Marxism, breeding a new evolutionary form of human being who will think, look, and act differently. The Nazi attempt was to do exactly the same thing: in German, "We must create a new man! A new life form should appear!"


a. "In both systems we have the ideology of creating a new man. Both systems don't agree with human nature as it is...they are at war with human nature. Both are based on false biology, and false sociology."
Françoise Thom, professor of Soviet history, Sorbonne, Paris




Communism and Nazism are both forms of socialism...the former international socialism, the latter, national socialism.

The other three fit between.

 

[norwegen]

Is the inverse also true?

1. The cornerstones of Rightist doctrine...

a. with just the right government, meaning no government, we can achieve Utopia here on earth.

and

b. by appealing to the basest part of humanity, "I got mine, go get your own", said governance can celebrate human nature

Your premise, of course, is incorrect. Are you lefties honestly incapable of discerning differences between limited government and no government?

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. The very opposite view from the necessity of creating a new species of mankind, is central to American exceptionalism.
The Constitution commemorates our revolution, and, as Madison states in the ‘Federalist,’ is the greatest of all reflections on human nature…human beings are not angels.”


a. Humans are not perfectible, but are capable of self government. The republican form of government presupposes this idea of humans. Our government is not a controlling government, but must itself be controlled: by the Constitution.


b. “Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198


c. “Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.” --Thucydides



Hence, the Founders....and conservatives' view of the best governance....based on individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.

And the reason for the checks and balances of the Constitution...

." It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? " Federalist #51

 

[alang1216]

Your premise, of course, is incorrect. Are you lefties honestly incapable of discerning differences between limited government and no government?

No more absurd than PC saying that the left want totalitarian gov't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your premise, of course, is incorrect. Are you lefties honestly incapable of discerning differences between limited government and no government?

No more absurd than PC saying that the left want totalitarian gov't.

One would be astounded at how much you don't know, until one realized that you are a Leftist.



The Right
individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

The Left
the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


Collective
a unit of organization or the organization in acollectivist system.
the definition of collective


Collectivist systems:
Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism



"5 Things Marx Wanted to Abolish (Besides Private Property)
1. The Family

2. Individuality
Marx believed individuality was antithetical to the egalitarianism he envisioned. Therefore, the “individual” must “be swept out of the way, and made impossible.”

Individuality was a social construction of a capitalist society and was deeply intertwined with capital itself.

“In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality,” he wrote. “And the abolition of this state of things is called by the bourgeois, abolition of individuality and freedom! And rightly so. The abolition of bourgeois individuality, bourgeois independence, and bourgeois freedom is undoubtedly aimed at.”


3. Eternal Truths

4. Nations

5. The Past"
5 Things Marx Wanted to Abolish (Besides Private Property) | Jon Miltimore

 

[alang1216]

The Left
the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

I know many on the Left and not a single one believes any of this. You need to get out of your RW bubble and meet some real people.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Left
the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

I know many on the Left and not a single one believes any of this. You need to get out of your RW bubble and meet some real people.

The political system is binary.

If you vote Democrat/Leftist/Liberals......you are investing your political power is the totalitarian/collectivist system.


One of your problems is that you don't understand what you are supporting.


But....a conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to educate a Liberals....

I've had enough 'shooting fish in a barrel!!'


As one eventually becomes weary of having the dull, the uneducated, the ignorant, offer what they consider rebuff to intelligent and informed posts, and in the interests of better debate milieu.....I strongly suggest that no Leftists.....e.g., Democrat, Liberal, Socialist, Communist, Nazi, Progressive, or Fascist.....


....nor any combination or permutation of same, embarrass themselves by offering any post until such time that they complete a study of these three works:


1. "Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline,"
by Robert H. Bork

2. "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change,"
by Jonah Goldberg

3. "American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation's Character,"
by Diana West



They provide the context for the world you live in.

And, please do study the vast and scholarly documentation provided in each tome.





Without having digested the three above, and carefully decided whether they are correct or not, your posts reek of stupidity and a lack of understanding.

I mean that in only the kindest way.









I fully understand the difficulties that this course (pun intended) of action entails....

...as elucidated by the great mind herself...

"Liberals don’t read books- they don’t read anything. That’s why they’re liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."

Coulter







But!!!

Having completed the above assignment, you will find that your experience.....and mine....here on the board will be greatly enhanced.

Begin immediately!!!

Forthwith!!!!!!





4. Extra Credit:

 

[alang1216]

The political system is binary.

Politics is a reflection of human nature. It is most certainly NOT binary (can you spell RINO?). Until you can understand that you'll never understand the danger that people like you pose to the very nation you profess to love.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The political system is binary.

Politics is a reflection of human nature. It is most certainly NOT binary (can you spell RINO?). Until you can understand that you'll never understand the danger that people like you pose to the very nation you profess to love.

Why are you back so soon,,,???

You can't have read those books already.

 

[alang1216]

The political system is binary.

Politics is a reflection of human nature. It is most certainly NOT binary (can you spell RINO?). Until you can understand that you'll never understand the danger that people like you pose to the very nation you profess to love.

Why are you back so soon,,,???

You can't have read those books already.

Why should I have to read what others say, can't you speak for yourself?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The political system is binary.

Politics is a reflection of human nature. It is most certainly NOT binary (can you spell RINO?). Until you can understand that you'll never understand the danger that people like you pose to the very nation you profess to love.

Why are you back so soon,,,???

You can't have read those books already.

Why should I have to read what others say, can't you speak for yourself?

And once again we find a Liberal responding to 'books' the way Vampires respond to a cross.

 

[alang1216]

Why should I have to read what others say, can't you speak for yourself?

And once again we find a Liberal responding to 'books' the way Vampires respond to a cross.

I'll take that as a 'No'.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Is the inverse also true?

1. The cornerstones of Rightist doctrine...

a. with just the right government, meaning no government, we can achieve Utopia here on earth.

and

b. by appealing to the basest part of humanity, "I got mine, go get your own", said governance can celebrate human nature

STRAWMAN ALERT! There are few if any anarchist on this board. Let me know when you find a post here that endorses the complete absence of a government. So transparent and weak, in other words, very very liberal of you.

 

[alang1216]

Is the inverse also true?

1. The cornerstones of Rightist doctrine...

a. with just the right government, meaning no government, we can achieve Utopia here on earth.

and

b. by appealing to the basest part of humanity, "I got mine, go get your own", said governance can celebrate human nature

STRAWMAN ALERT! There are few if any anarchist on this board. Let me know when you find a post here that endorses the complete absence of a government. So transparent and weak, in other words, very very liberal of you.

PC had said the left desired "totalitarian governance". I took "no government" as being the inverse. I was attempting to highlight PC's strawman.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Two event that prove the thesis of thread.


First, we have just learned of the greed and desire for personal aggrandizement, is deeply set in human nature:

a. The Russians paid $145 million to the Clinton Crime Family, and in return appropriated a large portion of our uranium.
They have energy....so it in to be used for weapons......
Against whom?
Us.

b. Bill was slipped $500,000 to give a fake speech.
See a. above.

c. " Former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta exits after ... a company that received $35 million from the Russian government..."
http://nypost.com/2017/07/05/uncovering-the-russia-ties-of-hillarys-campaign-chief/

d. "WASHINGTON — Tony Podesta and the Podesta Group are now the subjects of a federal investigation being led by Special Counsel Robert Mueller,...violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act, known as FARA."
Mueller now investigating Democratic lobbyist Tony Podesta
Russian spies influencing the Obama/Clinton administration via bribes.






Second, coincidentally....The day this thread began, was the anniversary of an earlier revolt against corruption of the sort we have discovered in the Democrat Party:

October 31st, 1517 Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the church door at Wittenberg. He thought that the Church selling indulgences (get out of purgatory free cards) was wrong.



The desire for money and power...

.....human nature never changes

 

[alang1216]

a. The Russians paid $145 million to the Clinton Crime Family, and in return appropriated a large portion of our uranium.
They have energy....so it in to be used for weapons......
Against whom?
Us.

This is a long-debunked lie. Either you are too lazy to research it, too ignorant to understand it, or you are just plain dishonest. Which is it?

For example, a key fact ignored in criticisms of Clinton’s supposed involvement in the deal is that the uranium was not — nor could it be — exported, and remained under the control of U.S.-based subsidiaries of Uranium One, according to a statement by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

If I'm wrong about you maybe you can explain how the uranium could be used as a weapon against us?