DiamondDave
Army Vet
- Jun 30, 2008
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Even though most cannot see the hand up the ventriloquist dummy's ass, does not mean it is not being controlled behind the scenes
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Sign me up for the class action lawsuit.Loophole Lets Dozens of Minnesota Congressional Staff Opt Out of Key Health Care Reform Requirement - Big Government
Now isn't that interesting that they have a loophole that their staff doesn't have to go on Obamacare.
If Obamacare is sooooooooooooooooooo wonderful, why give an opt out for your "elite" staff.
Wouldn't that staff be clammoring to be on Obamacare if it's so great?
The devil is in the details. When liberals tell YOU that something they are passing is just going to be utopia but they put in a loophole where they can opt out, you know they are LYING to you.
How do you know a Democrat/liberal is lying? Their lips are moving.
My state (Run by Democrats, dammit) have opted out of the states leading the law suit.
Pisses me off. I wish I knew a way to start a movement to force my state to get in on the law suit.
The only way I see is VOTE IN MORE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS AND GET RID OF THESE DAMN DEMOCRATS IN OHIO.
We also need to get rid of the RINOs like Voinivich. I want to see them both gone. Democrats and RINOs.
Excuse me but the only one controlling those insurance companies NOW is the government NOT the market.
Insuracne companies have had to petition the state governments to up their premiums all along, TP.
So the market forces you apparently thought were in play?
They really weren't.
Not that I love this bill, or Obama's adim generally, but you've been misinformed.
You guys need to do a bit more research than just talking points.
Yes, a loophole exists that exempts a number of commitee staffers from purchasing their insurance from an exchange. The point that everyone seems to be missing is that congressional staffers are the ONLY people mandated by this bill to buy their insurance from the exchange.
Yes, the loophole is unfair. But only to the other congressional staffers - you or I are NOT mandated to buy insurance through an exchange.
PolitiFact | Health bill appears to exempt some congressional staff
Yeah BS!
There would not be a loophole in the first place allowing staffers to opt out, IF the law were not compulsory.
Why need a loophole if the bill is voluntary?
You want to try that double talk again?
Read the damn bill.
Cause you're wrong.
So you managed to ignore the fact that your statement was proven wrong. Congressman are NOT exempt - in fact they're the only ones who are required to buy from an exchange.
BTW, the "government controlled" exchange that you speak of is a marketplace where various private insurance plans compete with a number of different priced plans, with different benefits.
Sounds more like free market capitalism than "socialism".
Excuse me but the only one controlling those insurance companies NOW is the government NOT the market.
It does so deliberately to put them out of business.
And the reason being, they the government will be "forced" to provide healthcare.
"Oh gee, I guess the market place doesn't work, I guess we will have to offer that government healthcare."
This is all by design.
Kill the thread my butt.
So.... Since I killed your OP, you're moving the goalposts. Ok.
Sign me up for the class action lawsuit.
My state (Run by Democrats, dammit) have opted out of the states leading the law suit.
Pisses me off. I wish I knew a way to start a movement to force my state to get in on the law suit.
The only way I see is VOTE IN MORE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS AND GET RID OF THESE DAMN DEMOCRATS IN OHIO.
We also need to get rid of the RINOs like Voinivich. I want to see them both gone. Democrats and RINOs.
Omg, you are so stupid. Voinovich is retiring this year. Sherrod Brown is the best thing that has happened to Ohio in a long time, another Dem will be joining him in the senate next year.
Yeah BS!
There would not be a loophole in the first place allowing staffers to opt out, IF the law were not compulsory.
Why need a loophole if the bill is voluntary?
You want to try that double talk again?
Read the damn bill.
Cause you're wrong.
No I'm not.
NO ONE HAS READ THE BILL!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2iiirr5KI8&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Phil Hare doesn't care.[/ame]
Even Nancy Pelosi said they needed to pass the bill, so we would know what's in it?
Remember that one?
I'm sorry, but I'm not wrong.
And you know damn well you liberals are playing a game. You are claiming none of this stuff is true, KNOWING FULL WELL IT WILL BE TRUE BY 2014!
So stop BSing everyone.
Yes, it is true, and Democrats would not be exempting themselves if it was otherwise.
What lie would that be?Excuse me but the only one controlling those insurance companies NOW is the government NOT the market.
It does so deliberately to put them out of business.
And the reason being, they the government will be "forced" to provide healthcare.
"Oh gee, I guess the market place doesn't work, I guess we will have to offer that government healthcare."
This is all by design.
Kill the thread my butt.
So.... Since I killed your OP, you're moving the goalposts. Ok.
Refuting your lie is moving the goalposts?
Once again, what lie would that be?
I'm sorry but the only thing I'm doing is refuting your lie.
I think the point would be that YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BILL, so YOU DON'T KNOW what will or will not happen in 2014.You are playing, "That doesn't happen now" game, knowing full well the worst of this bill doesn't happen until 2014.
You know the bill mandates that EVERYONE in the country buy insurance, right? How exactly will that put insurance companies out of business? To me it seems that that will make them more money.But I'm sorry, what I'm saying is true, and it is designed INTENTIONALLY to make sure insurance companies can't keep running, so the Democrats long waited for dreaming of forcing us into single payer will become a reality.
What exactly has Obama done to "mess" with insurance companies that will make them go bankrupt?"Oh gee, guess capitalism doesn't work, after all."
When the truth is, capitalism wasn't the problem it was Obama meddling with the insurance companies.
But he wants to take them over, just like the car companies and the banks.
This is all by design.
Kill my thread or refute your lie?
Read the damn bill.
Cause you're wrong.
No I'm not.
NO ONE HAS READ THE BILL!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2iiirr5KI8&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Phil Hare doesn't care.[/ame]
Even Nancy Pelosi said they needed to pass the bill, so we would know what's in it?
Remember that one?
I'm sorry, but I'm not wrong.
And you know damn well you liberals are playing a game. You are claiming none of this stuff is true, KNOWING FULL WELL IT WILL BE TRUE BY 2014!
So stop BSing everyone.
Yes, it is true, and Democrats would not be exempting themselves if it was otherwise.
You really need an update on your talking points. The bill has been passed. It's part of the congressional record.
Just because you haven't read it, doesn't mean that no one has.
In fact, here it is: Health Care Bill Text - H.R. 4872 - Reconciliation Act of 2010 - OpenCongress
Your arguments are based on your supposition of what might happen - whereas mine are based on the actual bill.
I suggest that you read the bill, rather than just rely on your outdated talking points from last year.
No I'm not.
NO ONE HAS READ THE BILL!
YouTube - Phil Hare doesn't care.
Even Nancy Pelosi said they needed to pass the bill, so we would know what's in it?
Remember that one?
I'm sorry, but I'm not wrong.
And you know damn well you liberals are playing a game. You are claiming none of this stuff is true, KNOWING FULL WELL IT WILL BE TRUE BY 2014!
So stop BSing everyone.
Yes, it is true, and Democrats would not be exempting themselves if it was otherwise.
You really need an update on your talking points. The bill has been passed. It's part of the congressional record.
Just because you haven't read it, doesn't mean that no one has.
In fact, here it is: Health Care Bill Text - H.R. 4872 - Reconciliation Act of 2010 - OpenCongress
Your arguments are based on your supposition of what might happen - whereas mine are based on the actual bill.
I suggest that you read the bill, rather than just rely on your outdated talking points from last year.
Outdated my ass.
I suggest you supply where in the bill backs up your BS. You think you can play games by only posting the reconcilliation as if that's the only thing that went into law?
What I find interesting, is I have not been able to find the actual LAW online.
You guys need to do a bit more research than just talking points.
Yes, a loophole exists that exempts a number of commitee staffers from purchasing their insurance from an exchange. The point that everyone seems to be missing is that congressional staffers are the ONLY people mandated by this bill to buy their insurance from the exchange.
Yes, the loophole is unfair. But only to the other congressional staffers - you or I are NOT mandated to buy insurance through an exchange.
PolitiFact | Health bill appears to exempt some congressional staff
Yeah BS!
There would not be a loophole in the first place allowing staffers to opt out, IF the law were not compulsory.
Why need a loophole if the bill is voluntary?
You want to try that double talk again?