I don't really understand the Dems' "need," for lack of a better word, for a national $15 min wage.

[pknopp]

That's fine. When all the production leaves and people far exceed jobs, as I said, we will pay people to not work.

You don't think we won't protect ourselves with Tariffs before that happens? Which... We could do RIGHT NOW to help the dollar stay strong and give the people more buying power... Why do you choose the worst option to do?

And then give the corporations it harms billions more?

Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop

I don't really understand the Dems' "need," for lack of a better word, for a national $15 min wage.

Just because... I can't sleep. I will shortly I'm sure... https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/cost-of-living-index-by-state Good example of what I'm trying to say about Micro State economies. Cali has a Cost of Living Index of 151.7 This means that the average is 100, and to...

www.usmessageboard.com

I didn't read the link because I do not care about the "Dems".

This is a major issue in this country. Too many who only care about how something affects their politics. Its become a cult.

 

[Andylusion]

Then again... If I had to be on welfare, I sure as hell don't want to be in a place that has a high cost of living.

I don't know. Seems too speculative to me.

Maybe people are flocking to these particular states because the cost of living is lower or maybe these states just have a comparatively large amount of people on food stamps due to poor economic planning. It could be both, but I would guess it's much more of the latter.

This chart is specifically dealing with food stamps, which I don't think varies too much and wouldn't be a huge cost-of-living variable. The big difference is housing and, to my understanding, there are other state programs that help provide assistance for that anyway.

Read Hillbilly Elegy, or watch the film. The problem with those places, is the exact same problem with inner city blacks.

The only reasons we talk more about inner city blacks, and less about Hillbilly Elegy, is because there are in pure numbers of them, they are out in rural areas, and they are white.

But regardless of which group we talk about more, the actual problems with both groups are absolutely identical.

This is one of the reasons I frustrate the left-wing socialist black idiots on this forum, is because I don't fit their racists stereotyping when I say that the problem is cultural. If you take a white person, and have them with the same culture as blacks, they end up with the exact same results.

And what is that culture?

A culture of immorality, laziness, and defeatism.

Drugs. Unemployment. And a belief that everything is hopeless, so why bother?

There is where the statement "the little man can't get ahead".

And the problem is, government assistance promotes this. Because it allows people to live in their Defeatist Culture, without making the changes required to win.

Quick story: BBC out of the UK, had a radio program that was simply all about people sending in their stories. One story was a guy that got laid off, and started living in an airport. He talks about taking half eaten food from the stores, because people would order something, have their plane called, and ditch most of their meal, and he would just casually come in and eat the food. He talks about dodging the police.

Finally after living in the airport for 2 full years, the police catch him, and kick his butt out of the airport, and warn him that if they find him again in the next 12 months, they'll send him to jail.

So without any other option, he calls up some friends, and they let him sleep at their place, while he goes to an apprentice ship for a trade skill, and now he has a wife and kids and a stable job.

Now of course, he at the end thanks the lady who let him stay with her while he went through the apprenticeship. But who should he really have thanked? The police officer. The officer that kicked his butt out. The officer is who forced him to make the hard choices to move on with this life. If that officer had not kicked him out, he'd still be at that airport to this day. If you think about it, he could have called that lady up, and started an apprenticeship, before he even went to the airport two years prior. But he didn't... because he was able to live that way, and not make the hard choices. The police officer is who forced him to improve himself.

Similarly, government welfare does the same thing. It allows people to avoid the hard choices.

For thousands of years, when there was a famine or a lack of work, people moved to where the work is. If there is no work in Appalachia.... why are they still living there? Because of welfare and food stamps and government assistance. If we ended all government assistance for able bodied people, millions of people would move to where there was work, start working, and improving their lives.

How do I know this? That is exactly what happened in 1996 with the Welfare Reform part of the GOP contract with America.

 

[Andylusion]

McDonald's is a job for a teenager or a retired guy to keep busy, It is a job, not a career.

Why does it have to be a "career"?

If you work, you should make a living wage, period.

Really? So if I do nothing for you, but remove a few sticks from your yard, you have to pay me $50,000 a year? Or whatever arbitrary amount you consider a living wage?

See, this is the problem with claims like that. You can say that, as long as it doesn't involve you. But if *YOU* had to pay someone a living wage, for doing extremely low value work, you wouldn't be saying that.

How do I know this? Because anyone that actually has to deal with it from their own money, suddenly doesn't believe that all work is worth a living wage.

Remember TYT, where Cenk Uygur had his employees plan to Unionize, and he completely flipped out on them, and told them off?

Remember when Bernie Sanders had complaints from his employees about being paid $15/hour, and instead of increasing their wages, he cut their hours?

It's pretty easy to say everyone should get a living wage, no matter what they do.... when *YOU* are not the one paying it.

But if you were the one running a business (unless it was an extremely profitable business), you wouldn't be saying that when it impacts your money.

If you were running a restaurant, you would never claim that.

 

[Andylusion]

McDonald's is a job for a teenager or a retired guy to keep busy, It is a job, not a career.

Why does it have to be a "career"?

If you work, you should make a living wage, period.

Bingo!

This is 2021 and $15 an hour is not a lot of money in this day and age.

That's not relevant. It doesn't matter what you consider to be a lot of money. If your business can't afford to pay $15/hour... then it won't. It will simply hire fewer people, or it will close.

Thanks To The Fight For $15 Minimum Wage, Small Businesses Close And Employees Are Laid Off

Just in time for the next round of nationwide fast food protests, new Labor department disclosures reveal just how much the Service Employees International Union has spent on its Fight for $15 campaign. The real faces of this campaign are the small business owners and the people they employ.

www.forbes.com

It does not matter what you consider to be a lot, or a little money. If the business can't afford it, then people lose their jobs.



Most of the car washes that unionized with higher wages.... just closed. The rest automated. They replaced workers with machines, and sent them home unemployed.

That's how life works. You saying "$15/hour is not a lot", doesn't mean everyone can afford it.

If you want to earn more money, do higher value work. Trying to force others to do what you think, only results in unemployment.

 

[Andylusion]

You say it's worse, I say it isn't,

I explained what would happen and why... You say that wouldn't be worse. We disagree. Again... if you give me an "oh shit moment" I didn't think of that. I'll thank you.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.



(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. central bank should not prematurely withdraw pandemic support for the U.S. economy just because some people are getting rich in the stock market, said San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank President Mary Daly.

“We’re building this bridge, which is barely having many communities hang on, and the stock market is running pretty good and many people who already have money are getting more money,” she said Friday during a virtual discussion hosted by the Stanford Graduate School of Business.

Fed’s Daly Pushes Back Against Pulling Policy Aid to Curb Stocks

But the working poor shouldn't get anything. Screw that.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

No that is a stupid claim. Absolutely stupid.

What makes the working poor fall further behind, is you jacking up the cost of labor, so they end up unemployed, and can't find a job.

You are the one who wants the working poor to be out of work, and fall further behind.

Every single time they raise the minimum wage, people lose their jobs. No exception.

As long as people like you, do not force people out of jobs with your idiotic policies, people can advance up the income ladder.

No one anywhere wants people to stay poor.

The difference is, we believe the solution to being poor, and people moving themselves up the income ladder.

You believe that people are incapable of doing that, because you are smug arrogant jerks... so you think you need government to fix the lives of other people.

But that never works. What works, is people working their way up. Not sitting around waiting for your fake savior government, to somehow make a law saying your life is better.

Did that work for Greece? They had a minimum wage indexed to inflation. Unemployment got so bad, that they CUT the minimum wage, and what a shock.... unemployed fell, as employers were able to higher people. Crazy how that works.

Almost like we on the right wing have predicted that for almost a hundred years.

Circles. We have already covered this. When they are out of jobs you will pay them a living wage for not working.

The welfare whores are already getting paid for not working

Welfare.

Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop

What's your point? I agree, Trump did in fact pass some policies I disagree with.

Regardless, I stand true to my position. This is bad.

What is weird is that you are making my point, and thinking that's an argument against me. Did you think through what you were posting?

 

[Nova78]

Calif is stupid,is a leech sucking the Country dry,15.00 is ridiculous for throwing some fries in a bag ,Calif needs to crack off and float away in the Ocean. Why do you think anyone with any sense is moving out.

 

[danielpalos]

Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage

Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…

thehill.com

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

I agree that this would be a moot point if the right wing stops complaining about the cost of social services. Go ahead right wingers, prove you are moral enough to stop complaining about social services for natural born, fellow citizens of our Republic.

 

[Dadoalex]

Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage

Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…

thehill.com

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

People making this type of comment haven't the slightest concept about how the economy actually works.

If you need 10 people to run your business and there is a minimum wage then your choices are to make less profit or close the business.
Cutting back on the number of employees only ensures the business' failure.
Attempting to raise prices in the face of lower priced competition only guarantees the business' failure.
Maybe, just maybe, pay the executives a little less, pay the stockholders a little less, and the business thrives and succeeds.

Basic Economics 101.

What you and yours don't like admitting is that when the minimum wage is increased the economy actually expands because the people making that money, spend that money and that means more revenues for all businesses which means more hiring and more growth.

The people you're listening to DEMAND their 25% net. It his how they can afford to pay $100k for a questionable photo of "Billy the Kid." They like to call themselves "makers" but, riddle me this, how much do they make without employees?

 

[pknopp]

You say it's worse, I say it isn't,

I explained what would happen and why... You say that wouldn't be worse. We disagree. Again... if you give me an "oh shit moment" I didn't think of that. I'll thank you.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.



(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. central bank should not prematurely withdraw pandemic support for the U.S. economy just because some people are getting rich in the stock market, said San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank President Mary Daly.

“We’re building this bridge, which is barely having many communities hang on, and the stock market is running pretty good and many people who already have money are getting more money,” she said Friday during a virtual discussion hosted by the Stanford Graduate School of Business.

Fed’s Daly Pushes Back Against Pulling Policy Aid to Curb Stocks

But the working poor shouldn't get anything. Screw that.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

No that is a stupid claim. Absolutely stupid.

What makes the working poor fall further behind, is you jacking up the cost of labor, so they end up unemployed, and can't find a job.

You are the one who wants the working poor to be out of work, and fall further behind.

Every single time they raise the minimum wage, people lose their jobs. No exception.

As long as people like you, do not force people out of jobs with your idiotic policies, people can advance up the income ladder.

No one anywhere wants people to stay poor.

The difference is, we believe the solution to being poor, and people moving themselves up the income ladder.

You believe that people are incapable of doing that, because you are smug arrogant jerks... so you think you need government to fix the lives of other people.

But that never works. What works, is people working their way up. Not sitting around waiting for your fake savior government, to somehow make a law saying your life is better.

Did that work for Greece? They had a minimum wage indexed to inflation. Unemployment got so bad, that they CUT the minimum wage, and what a shock.... unemployed fell, as employers were able to higher people. Crazy how that works.

Almost like we on the right wing have predicted that for almost a hundred years.

Circles. We have already covered this. When they are out of jobs you will pay them a living wage for not working.

The welfare whores are already getting paid for not working

Welfare.

Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop

What's your point? I agree, Trump did in fact pass some policies I disagree with.

Regardless, I stand true to my position. This is bad.

What is weird is that you are making my point, and thinking that's an argument against me. Did you think through what you were posting?

Obviously by making it about me as opposed to my position, you have no point to make.

We are NOT a capitalist country.

 

[danielpalos]

If you need 10 people to run your business and there is a minimum wage then your choices are to make less profit or close the business.

This is simply false and disingenuous. Businesses pass on costs to the consumer whenever they feel they can get away with it for Every Thing else. Why do right wingers only have a problem helping Labor be able to afford our first world economy?

 

[Andylusion]

You say it's worse, I say it isn't,

I explained what would happen and why... You say that wouldn't be worse. We disagree. Again... if you give me an "oh shit moment" I didn't think of that. I'll thank you.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.



(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. central bank should not prematurely withdraw pandemic support for the U.S. economy just because some people are getting rich in the stock market, said San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank President Mary Daly.

“We’re building this bridge, which is barely having many communities hang on, and the stock market is running pretty good and many people who already have money are getting more money,” she said Friday during a virtual discussion hosted by the Stanford Graduate School of Business.

Fed’s Daly Pushes Back Against Pulling Policy Aid to Curb Stocks

But the working poor shouldn't get anything. Screw that.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

No that is a stupid claim. Absolutely stupid.

What makes the working poor fall further behind, is you jacking up the cost of labor, so they end up unemployed, and can't find a job.

You are the one who wants the working poor to be out of work, and fall further behind.

Every single time they raise the minimum wage, people lose their jobs. No exception.

As long as people like you, do not force people out of jobs with your idiotic policies, people can advance up the income ladder.

No one anywhere wants people to stay poor.

The difference is, we believe the solution to being poor, and people moving themselves up the income ladder.

You believe that people are incapable of doing that, because you are smug arrogant jerks... so you think you need government to fix the lives of other people.

But that never works. What works, is people working their way up. Not sitting around waiting for your fake savior government, to somehow make a law saying your life is better.

Did that work for Greece? They had a minimum wage indexed to inflation. Unemployment got so bad, that they CUT the minimum wage, and what a shock.... unemployed fell, as employers were able to higher people. Crazy how that works.

Almost like we on the right wing have predicted that for almost a hundred years.

Circles. We have already covered this. When they are out of jobs you will pay them a living wage for not working.

The welfare whores are already getting paid for not working

Welfare.

Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop

What's your point? I agree, Trump did in fact pass some policies I disagree with.

Regardless, I stand true to my position. This is bad.

What is weird is that you are making my point, and thinking that's an argument against me. Did you think through what you were posting?

Obviously by making it about me as opposed to my position, you have no point to make.

We are NOT a capitalist country.

Yes, we are. Don't even try and be that stupid. Really? Are you saying I can't start my own business tomorrow? Because that is the definition of capitalism, is private ownership of the means of production and distribution.

And yes, it is about you, and your position, because if you can't apply your claimed position to yourself, that makes you a lying hypocrite. And that is EXACTLY what you are.

If your ideology only applies to other people, and not yourself, then it is a crap garbage ideology.

This is why Castro hired private doctors from if I remember, Argentina, and brought them to Cuba, to treat himself, while normal Cubans who are not legally allowed to pay for health care, can't even get Aspirin.

Your system SUCKS. That's why all left-wingers are hypocrites 100% of the time.

This is why you have California Gov Newsom, violating his own orders banning social gatherings, and closing stores, to go to a high end elitist restaurant to celebrate a freinds birthday.



You people are all liars and hypocrites. All of you. If you can't follow your own ideology, keep your mouth shut, and stop trying to foist it on others. When you practice what you preach FIRST... then come and tell me how great it is.

 

[Dadoalex]

Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage

Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…

thehill.com

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

The Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to the point where employers will choose to automate their businesses, reduce staff, or eliminate low-wage workers altogether. We're already seeing this in the fast food and hospitality industries.

The Democrats' goal is, of course, to drive low-wage workers to unemployment and then onto welfare, where they can be more easily controlled. If the government is paying for your food rather than your employer, wouldn't you be more "willing" to go along with things like mandatory vaccines, only "approved" content on your social media, not questioning what your kids are being taught in school, etc.?

Businesses have been automating for 60 years. New businesses, new business models.

I've been in the business of "automating" for 40 years. I never tell anyone that implementing so automation process will reduce their headcount. Those new processes inevitably need people to operate and maintain them. New processes create new opportunities for growth. BUT rarely, and I do mean EXTREMELY RARELY, does automation lead to fewer employees and higher unemployment.

Your insistence that a minimum wage increase is not based on any actual historic economic data, all of which show significant economic growth following wage increases, no on an economic or business theories. It is the howls of the 0.1% that you listen to. They fear not being able to but that new yacht every spring or pay 10M for a painting so the poor must suffer.

 

[Dadoalex]

If you need 10 people to run your business and there is a minimum wage then your choices are to make less profit or close the business.

This is simply false and disingenuous. Businesses pass on costs to the consumer whenever they feel they can get away with it for Every Thing else. Why do right wingers only have a problem helping Labor be able to afford our first world economy?

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

 

[pknopp]

You say it's worse, I say it isn't,

I explained what would happen and why... You say that wouldn't be worse. We disagree. Again... if you give me an "oh shit moment" I didn't think of that. I'll thank you.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.



(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. central bank should not prematurely withdraw pandemic support for the U.S. economy just because some people are getting rich in the stock market, said San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank President Mary Daly.

“We’re building this bridge, which is barely having many communities hang on, and the stock market is running pretty good and many people who already have money are getting more money,” she said Friday during a virtual discussion hosted by the Stanford Graduate School of Business.

Fed’s Daly Pushes Back Against Pulling Policy Aid to Curb Stocks

But the working poor shouldn't get anything. Screw that.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

No that is a stupid claim. Absolutely stupid.

What makes the working poor fall further behind, is you jacking up the cost of labor, so they end up unemployed, and can't find a job.

You are the one who wants the working poor to be out of work, and fall further behind.

Every single time they raise the minimum wage, people lose their jobs. No exception.

As long as people like you, do not force people out of jobs with your idiotic policies, people can advance up the income ladder.

No one anywhere wants people to stay poor.

The difference is, we believe the solution to being poor, and people moving themselves up the income ladder.

You believe that people are incapable of doing that, because you are smug arrogant jerks... so you think you need government to fix the lives of other people.

But that never works. What works, is people working their way up. Not sitting around waiting for your fake savior government, to somehow make a law saying your life is better.

Did that work for Greece? They had a minimum wage indexed to inflation. Unemployment got so bad, that they CUT the minimum wage, and what a shock.... unemployed fell, as employers were able to higher people. Crazy how that works.

Almost like we on the right wing have predicted that for almost a hundred years.

Circles. We have already covered this. When they are out of jobs you will pay them a living wage for not working.

The welfare whores are already getting paid for not working

Welfare.

Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop

What's your point? I agree, Trump did in fact pass some policies I disagree with.

Regardless, I stand true to my position. This is bad.

What is weird is that you are making my point, and thinking that's an argument against me. Did you think through what you were posting?

Obviously by making it about me as opposed to my position, you have no point to make.

We are NOT a capitalist country.

Yes, we are. Don't even try and be that stupid. Really? Are you saying I can't start my own business tomorrow? Because that is the definition of capitalism, is private ownership of the means of production and distribution.

And yes, it is about you, and your position, because if you can't apply your claimed position to yourself, that makes you a lying hypocrite. And that is EXACTLY what you are.

If your ideology only applies to other people, and not yourself, then it is a crap garbage ideology.

This is why Castro hired private doctors from if I remember, Argentina, and brought them to Cuba, to treat himself, while normal Cubans who are not legally allowed to pay for health care, can't even get Aspirin.

Your system SUCKS. That's why all left-wingers are hypocrites 100% of the time.

This is why you have California Gov Newsom, violating his own orders banning social gatherings, and closing stores, to go to a high end elitist restaurant to celebrate a freinds birthday.



You people are all liars and hypocrites. All of you. If you can't follow your own ideology, keep your mouth shut, and stop trying to foist it on others. When you practice what you preach FIRST... then come and tell me how great it is.

You can start your own business in Cuba.

 

[danielpalos]

If you need 10 people to run your business and there is a minimum wage then your choices are to make less profit or close the business.

This is simply false and disingenuous. Businesses pass on costs to the consumer whenever they feel they can get away with it for Every Thing else. Why do right wingers only have a problem helping Labor be able to afford our first world economy?

You know, in the post you partially quoted I said that businesses may try to raise prices but will fail in the face of lower priced competition.

Businesses may try to pass on higher costs but, as has been demonstrated so many times in the airline industry, unless everyone raises their prices, no one can.

Simply ignoring the effect of a federal statutory minimum wage? All their competition will be in the same boat if they can only make it on cheap labor.

 

[initforme]

There is no sense in raising it. Emoyers do not expect any kind of food worker to fill them nor should anyone work hard for that.

 

[Andylusion]

You say it's worse, I say it isn't,

I explained what would happen and why... You say that wouldn't be worse. We disagree. Again... if you give me an "oh shit moment" I didn't think of that. I'll thank you.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

If companies still want to offshore and we want to do nothing about that, I'll be voting for those who promise a guaranteed income.



(Bloomberg) -- The U.S. central bank should not prematurely withdraw pandemic support for the U.S. economy just because some people are getting rich in the stock market, said San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank President Mary Daly.

“We’re building this bridge, which is barely having many communities hang on, and the stock market is running pretty good and many people who already have money are getting more money,” she said Friday during a virtual discussion hosted by the Stanford Graduate School of Business.

Fed’s Daly Pushes Back Against Pulling Policy Aid to Curb Stocks

But the working poor shouldn't get anything. Screw that.

Minimum wages have been raised ever since there has been one. You are arguing that the working poor should fall further and further behind.

No that is a stupid claim. Absolutely stupid.

What makes the working poor fall further behind, is you jacking up the cost of labor, so they end up unemployed, and can't find a job.

You are the one who wants the working poor to be out of work, and fall further behind.

Every single time they raise the minimum wage, people lose their jobs. No exception.

As long as people like you, do not force people out of jobs with your idiotic policies, people can advance up the income ladder.

No one anywhere wants people to stay poor.

The difference is, we believe the solution to being poor, and people moving themselves up the income ladder.

You believe that people are incapable of doing that, because you are smug arrogant jerks... so you think you need government to fix the lives of other people.

But that never works. What works, is people working their way up. Not sitting around waiting for your fake savior government, to somehow make a law saying your life is better.

Did that work for Greece? They had a minimum wage indexed to inflation. Unemployment got so bad, that they CUT the minimum wage, and what a shock.... unemployed fell, as employers were able to higher people. Crazy how that works.

Almost like we on the right wing have predicted that for almost a hundred years.

Circles. We have already covered this. When they are out of jobs you will pay them a living wage for not working.

The welfare whores are already getting paid for not working

Welfare.

Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop

What's your point? I agree, Trump did in fact pass some policies I disagree with.

Regardless, I stand true to my position. This is bad.

What is weird is that you are making my point, and thinking that's an argument against me. Did you think through what you were posting?

Obviously by making it about me as opposed to my position, you have no point to make.

We are NOT a capitalist country.

Yes, we are. Don't even try and be that stupid. Really? Are you saying I can't start my own business tomorrow? Because that is the definition of capitalism, is private ownership of the means of production and distribution.

And yes, it is about you, and your position, because if you can't apply your claimed position to yourself, that makes you a lying hypocrite. And that is EXACTLY what you are.

If your ideology only applies to other people, and not yourself, then it is a crap garbage ideology.

This is why Castro hired private doctors from if I remember, Argentina, and brought them to Cuba, to treat himself, while normal Cubans who are not legally allowed to pay for health care, can't even get Aspirin.

Your system SUCKS. That's why all left-wingers are hypocrites 100% of the time.

This is why you have California Gov Newsom, violating his own orders banning social gatherings, and closing stores, to go to a high end elitist restaurant to celebrate a freinds birthday.



You people are all liars and hypocrites. All of you. If you can't follow your own ideology, keep your mouth shut, and stop trying to foist it on others. When you practice what you preach FIRST... then come and tell me how great it is.

You can start your own business in Cuba.

Only in recent years, and yes, that's part of why Cuba is finally after 50 years, starting to see a rise in living standards. But under Castro in the past, no you could not. It was illegal.

If anything, that is proof that your ideology doesn't work.

 

[Andylusion]

There is no sense in raising it. Emoyers do not expect any kind of food worker to fill them nor should anyone work hard for that.

Not to be insulting, but that was barely English, and I have no idea what you were trying to say. None whatsoever.

 

[initforme]

I meant employers don't want or expect good work from 7.25 per hour. Nobody should work hard for that wage. So those jobs are there just for little to no productivity.

 

[TomParks]

Had they put a .25 yearly raise on the minimum wage 11 years ago it would be $10.00 now, and most jobs start at that. I would raise it to $10.00 an hour and add .25 yearly for cola.