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Interesting perspective.That's what what I kept asking when I was in the workforce. We're doing all the work and the shareholders are collecting the profits. How about sharing them more fairly with those of us who are producing the wealth?
Because you are not producing the wealth, you are doing a job; a job you agreed to do for X amount of money and benefits.
The people that produce wealth are those who have invested their money into the operations of providing a service or product to the customer. A worker does not do that, therefore, the worker does not share in how much profit a company makes outside of those who chose jobs that did offer profit sharing as a benefit.
It works the other way around as well. If a company if facing hard financial times because of competition or the economy, you don't work for less money. You work for the same amount of money whether the company is cleaning up or just about to close up shop.
In California there was no tuition for state residents. Then Ronald Reagan became governor in '67 and one of his first decrees was establishing tuition for everyone. That priced college out of my reach and the reach of many young men who then were drafted and sent to Viet Nam. Some of them came home, still unable to afford the high cost even with the GI Bill stipend of $175/moIf Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????
7 countries where college is free
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Hillary's plan might help get things back to normal, for everyone in the country.
Hillary says she is going to implement free college for the nation.
When asked how she will pay for it, she said she's going to make "the super rich" "pay their fair share"
It's kind of strange because every Socialist plan taxes the working, and has caps for the rich.
I'm willing to bet "the super rich" means YOU, in the form of taxes
Interesting perspective.That's what what I kept asking when I was in the workforce. We're doing all the work and the shareholders are collecting the profits. How about sharing them more fairly with those of us who are producing the wealth?
Because you are not producing the wealth, you are doing a job; a job you agreed to do for X amount of money and benefits.
The people that produce wealth are those who have invested their money into the operations of providing a service or product to the customer. A worker does not do that, therefore, the worker does not share in how much profit a company makes outside of those who chose jobs that did offer profit sharing as a benefit.
It works the other way around as well. If a company if facing hard financial times because of competition or the economy, you don't work for less money. You work for the same amount of money whether the company is cleaning up or just about to close up shop.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
Interesting perspective.That's what what I kept asking when I was in the workforce. We're doing all the work and the shareholders are collecting the profits. How about sharing them more fairly with those of us who are producing the wealth?
Because you are not producing the wealth, you are doing a job; a job you agreed to do for X amount of money and benefits.
The people that produce wealth are those who have invested their money into the operations of providing a service or product to the customer. A worker does not do that, therefore, the worker does not share in how much profit a company makes outside of those who chose jobs that did offer profit sharing as a benefit.
It works the other way around as well. If a company if facing hard financial times because of competition or the economy, you don't work for less money. You work for the same amount of money whether the company is cleaning up or just about to close up shop.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
Interesting perspective.That's what what I kept asking when I was in the workforce. We're doing all the work and the shareholders are collecting the profits. How about sharing them more fairly with those of us who are producing the wealth?
Because you are not producing the wealth, you are doing a job; a job you agreed to do for X amount of money and benefits.
The people that produce wealth are those who have invested their money into the operations of providing a service or product to the customer. A worker does not do that, therefore, the worker does not share in how much profit a company makes outside of those who chose jobs that did offer profit sharing as a benefit.
It works the other way around as well. If a company if facing hard financial times because of competition or the economy, you don't work for less money. You work for the same amount of money whether the company is cleaning up or just about to close up shop.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
This is typical half-truth deception. You think design and innovation isn't work? You think the guy pushing the button on the mold press in an assembly line is the only guy who works? He creates the wealth?
Truth is that the "workers" are needed but so are the engineers, the investors, the managers, and the CEOs. Take any one out of the equation and no wealth is created.
Probably true. Lucky for us, the plan is only to allow students who choose to to attend public colleges tuition-free.In California there was no tuition for state residents. Then Ronald Reagan became governor in '67 and one of his first decrees was establishing tuition for everyone. That priced college out of my reach and the reach of many young men who then were drafted and sent to Viet Nam. Some of them came home, still unable to afford the high cost even with the GI Bill stipend of $175/moIf Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????
7 countries where college is free
.
Hillary's plan might help get things back to normal, for everyone in the country.
You cannot tax the rich enough to pay for college for everyone. Everyone will end up paying higher taxes for it, just like in the countries that already have "free" college.
Everyone you mention is a worker. All deserve a fair share for their work.Interesting perspective.That's what what I kept asking when I was in the workforce. We're doing all the work and the shareholders are collecting the profits. How about sharing them more fairly with those of us who are producing the wealth?
Because you are not producing the wealth, you are doing a job; a job you agreed to do for X amount of money and benefits.
The people that produce wealth are those who have invested their money into the operations of providing a service or product to the customer. A worker does not do that, therefore, the worker does not share in how much profit a company makes outside of those who chose jobs that did offer profit sharing as a benefit.
It works the other way around as well. If a company if facing hard financial times because of competition or the economy, you don't work for less money. You work for the same amount of money whether the company is cleaning up or just about to close up shop.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
This is typical half-truth deception. You think design and innovation isn't work? You think the guy pushing the button on the mold press in an assembly line is the only guy who works? He creates the wealth?
Truth is that the "workers" are needed but so are the engineers, the investors, the managers, and the CEOs. Take any one out of the equation and no wealth is created.
Everyone you mention is a worker. All deserve a fair share for their work.
Shareholders don't do a lick of work. Their share of the profits don't rise to the level of those doing the work.
Interesting perspective.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
Everyone you mention is a worker. All deserve a fair share for their work.Interesting perspective.That's what what I kept asking when I was in the workforce. We're doing all the work and the shareholders are collecting the profits. How about sharing them more fairly with those of us who are producing the wealth?
Because you are not producing the wealth, you are doing a job; a job you agreed to do for X amount of money and benefits.
The people that produce wealth are those who have invested their money into the operations of providing a service or product to the customer. A worker does not do that, therefore, the worker does not share in how much profit a company makes outside of those who chose jobs that did offer profit sharing as a benefit.
It works the other way around as well. If a company if facing hard financial times because of competition or the economy, you don't work for less money. You work for the same amount of money whether the company is cleaning up or just about to close up shop.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
This is typical half-truth deception. You think design and innovation isn't work? You think the guy pushing the button on the mold press in an assembly line is the only guy who works? He creates the wealth?
Truth is that the "workers" are needed but so are the engineers, the investors, the managers, and the CEOs. Take any one out of the equation and no wealth is created.
Shareholders don't do a lick of work. Their share of the profits don't rise to the level of those doing the work.
Everyone you mention is a worker. All deserve a fair share for their work.
Shareholders don't do a lick of work. Their share of the profits don't rise to the level of those doing the work.
Solution: let the worker invests in their company just like the other shareholders.
Fair enough. But we're right back to where we started - workers deserve a fair share of the profit produced.Interesting perspective.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
No, because workers do not buy the raw material to make the finished product. The workers do not pay the electric and gas bills in the factory to make the product. The workers do not set up shipping and delivery to get the raw materials to the factory. The workers do not go out in the field to sell that finished product to potential customers.
If you go somewhere with a shovel and pick, then proceed to dig a hole for no reason, you did the work, but because there was no objective into digging that hole, you produced no profit. Now if somebody comes along and gets a job to dig a well or put in a fence, and he hires you to dig holes, you make money because somebody sold your work to a customer at a profit. You did the physical work, and the person you work for made it possible to sell your work. He made the profit--you get paid for the work you did.
Unlike the investor, he literally puts his life and health on the line.Everyone you mention is a worker. All deserve a fair share for their work.Interesting perspective.That's what what I kept asking when I was in the workforce. We're doing all the work and the shareholders are collecting the profits. How about sharing them more fairly with those of us who are producing the wealth?
Because you are not producing the wealth, you are doing a job; a job you agreed to do for X amount of money and benefits.
The people that produce wealth are those who have invested their money into the operations of providing a service or product to the customer. A worker does not do that, therefore, the worker does not share in how much profit a company makes outside of those who chose jobs that did offer profit sharing as a benefit.
It works the other way around as well. If a company if facing hard financial times because of competition or the economy, you don't work for less money. You work for the same amount of money whether the company is cleaning up or just about to close up shop.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
This is typical half-truth deception. You think design and innovation isn't work? You think the guy pushing the button on the mold press in an assembly line is the only guy who works? He creates the wealth?
Truth is that the "workers" are needed but so are the engineers, the investors, the managers, and the CEOs. Take any one out of the equation and no wealth is created.
Shareholders don't do a lick of work. Their share of the profits don't rise to the level of those doing the work.
Garbage, they take the risks. What risk dies the ditch digger take? He still gets paid for his hours. The shareholders could lose everything. They most certainly deserve their share.
Fair enough. But we're right back to where we started - workers deserve a fair share of the profit produced.
Worker compensation isn't determined in a vacuum. Workers' production value is relative to the profitability of the enterprise. The better job they do, the more profitable the operation and compensation should reflect that.Fair enough. But we're right back to where we started - workers deserve a fair share of the profit produced.
Why do they deserve a share of the profit?
When you accept a job offer, it's a verbal contract. You agreed to do X work for X wages. Unless part of your agreement was profit sharing, then the employer is not obligated to give that to you. You want to change the deal after the fact.
If profit sharing is important, then you decline job offers that don't offer profit sharing. But you can't agree to work for somebody and then start making up your own benefits while you work for them. You make that arrangement before you take the job.
I can't go to my employer and tell him I "deserve" six weeks of vacation a year. That's not what we agreed on. I agreed to work for him for two weeks of vacation a year. Now I can ask for him to change his policy, but he would have to change that policy for all his employees, and it's certainly not something I deserve, because what I deserve is what I agreed to do the work for.
Fair enough. But we're right back to where we started - workers deserve a fair share of the profit produced.
Why do they deserve a share of the profit?
When you accept a job offer, it's a verbal contract. You agreed to do X work for X wages. Unless part of your agreement was profit sharing, then the employer is not obligated to give that to you. You want to change the deal after the fact.
If profit sharing is important, then you decline job offers that don't offer profit sharing. But you can't agree to work for somebody and then start making up your own benefits while you work for them. You make that arrangement before you take the job.
I can't go to my employer and tell him I "deserve" six weeks of vacation a year. That's not what we agreed on. I agreed to work for him for two weeks of vacation a year. Now I can ask for him to change his policy, but he would have to change that policy for all his employees, and it's certainly not something I deserve, because what I deserve is what I agreed to do the work for.
Unlike the investor, he literally puts his life and health on the line.Everyone you mention is a worker. All deserve a fair share for their work.Interesting perspective.Because you are not producing the wealth, you are doing a job; a job you agreed to do for X amount of money and benefits.
The people that produce wealth are those who have invested their money into the operations of providing a service or product to the customer. A worker does not do that, therefore, the worker does not share in how much profit a company makes outside of those who chose jobs that did offer profit sharing as a benefit.
It works the other way around as well. If a company if facing hard financial times because of competition or the economy, you don't work for less money. You work for the same amount of money whether the company is cleaning up or just about to close up shop.
To me, the people who do the work produce the wealth. The investors are the catalyst smoothing the way from raw product to finished product. They only supply the tools. The people using those tools do all the work that produces the wealth. Without them, the finest tools in the world are useless and worthless.
This is typical half-truth deception. You think design and innovation isn't work? You think the guy pushing the button on the mold press in an assembly line is the only guy who works? He creates the wealth?
Truth is that the "workers" are needed but so are the engineers, the investors, the managers, and the CEOs. Take any one out of the equation and no wealth is created.
Shareholders don't do a lick of work. Their share of the profits don't rise to the level of those doing the work.
Garbage, they take the risks. What risk dies the ditch digger take? He still gets paid for his hours. The shareholders could lose everything. They most certainly deserve their share.
Investors risk only replaceable funds.
I know. I am an investor and have been for 35 years. That's how I retired young.
Give me a brake. Jeeze! Companies change the fkn rules all the fkn time so put that shit back up in your closet on the top shelf, way in the back. And workers deserve good pay and bennies because with out the workers?...the employer would have nothing.
Of course the rich need others to make money, as Al pointed out the obvious.The 1% doesn't leech off of anybody.Yeah, i don't have much sympathy for the 1% rich who leech off of society.
I don't think fewer expensive cars or homes or vacations at fancy hotels or other nice shit will hurt them much, but will help the less fortunate and shared social infrastructure.
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If you want financial equality, look at Cuba or North Korea. Everybody is equal in places like that--equally poor.
