I Still Don't Know What It Is That Trump Opponents (Haters) Are Upset About

[lafayette]

Are you being a disingenuous knucklehead along with your leftist good buddies here again ?

Pence to send it back to the states for recertification needed to occur, but only if the evidence and facts moved the process in that direction.

OK, so the action to send it back to the states would only occur after a hearing of the voices/testimony, and upon the conclusions of the facts presented, and therefore it then would prompt the contesting of the election within the chambers on that day if valid evidence and testimonies lead it in that direction correct ?

Were the facts and protest ignored for fear of the machine/deep state ? Many thousand's think that it was.

Could such facts or the contesting prove (if the process was given a proper vetting or chance), otherwise through evidence presented allow Pence to stall the certification until a valid investigation of the facts presented would next occur ?

So if those facts were proven legitimate and correct, then the state's would be prompted to look at the process again, and consider an investigation into the matter itself (i.e a recertification would be needed).

Pence did not have any authority to do such a thing. Ask him.

 

[jc456]

What is your version of what Trump meant When he told his gathered mob on January 6, 2021 that he was going to be become the president elect instead of Joe Biden if Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thingz The right thing being lie.

“All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.” 21JAN06-DJT-jEASTMAN.

expecting Pence to do his job with all of the obvious claims of foul play in the election and send the ballots back for a recount.

 

[jc456]

Pence did not have any authority to do such a thing. Ask him.

naw, he's a wimp, all he had to do was refuse them.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

expecting Pence to do his job with all of the obvious claims of foul play in the election and send the ballots back for a recount.

According to the Constitution the President elect has to be decided on January 6.

There was no intent by Trump to wait for a recount. Thats why Trump told the mob:

“we become president”

 

[NotfooledbyW]

all he had to do was refuse them.

Based on what? Based on what legal means?

Pence knew that Don Trump lost the election in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan,, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico. Mike Pence knew that there were only one slate of electors in each of those states and those states went to Biden.

The corrupt Trump campaign tried to get a second slate of electors into Pence’s hand, but apparently Trump’s lawyers told him not to accept any of them. So he didn’t.

There was no legal means for Mike Pence do not count those legally certified ballots that came in from. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan. Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico.

 

[jc456]

Based on what? Based on what legal means?

Pence knew that Don Trump lost the election in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan,, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico. Mike Pence knew that there were only one slate of electors in each of those states and those states went to Biden.

The corrupt Trump campaign tried to get a second slate of electors into princes hand But apparently Trump’s lawyers told him not to act except any of them. So he didn’t.

Based on? You asked me what I read, I did.

 

[jc456]

According to the Constitution the President elect has to be decided on January 6.

There was no intent by Trump to wait for a recount. Thats why Trump told the mob:

“we become president”

Was the US gonna disappear if it was missed? Hahaha. Election law was vote in person and you all violated the snot out of that

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You asked me what I read,

I didn’t ask you what you read. I’m asking What is your version of what Trump meant when he told his gathered mob on January 6, 2021 that he was going to become the president elect instead of Joe Biden if Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thing.

 

[jc456]

I didn’t ask you what you read. I’m asking What is your version of what Trump meant when he told his gathered mob on January 6, 2021 that he was going to become the president elect instead of Joe Biden if Mike Pence has the courage to do the right thing.

Dude, seriously, you can’t be that ignorant

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Dude, seriously, you can’t be that ignorant

Your inability to explain what Donald Trump meant when he told his mob on January 6, that he was going to become president elect if Mike Pence does the right thing is not ignorance on my part.

 

[beagle9]

Good for VP Pence.

Not if the election was stolen it wasn't. He basically ignored the will of the people too give a pause (not for Donald Trump), but for the people to have both side's represented fairly over the issue.

 

[beagle9]

Your inability to explain what Donald Trump meant when he told his mob on January 6, that he was going to become president elect if Mike Pence does the right thing is not ignorance on my part.

Yes it is, because you are trying to interpret what he meant with a leftist mentality or slant, and that is where it all goes wrong.

 

[lafayette]

Not if the election was stolen it wasn't. He basically ignored the will of the people too give a pause (not for Donald Trump), but for the people to have both side's represented fairly over the issue.

He ignored the will of a megalomaniacal president, thank heavens.

The military, NG, and LEO are ready for you this time.

 

[lafayette]

Yes it is, because you are trying to interpret what he meant with a leftist mentality or slant, and that is where it all goes wrong.

What you think now does not matter. Your ilk cannot pull anything this time without getting stomped into the pavement. The American people will not stand for your illegal interference.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Yes it is, because you are trying to interpret what he meant with a leftist mentality or slant, and that is where it all goes wrong.

No. There is only one interpretations of this statement:

“All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.” 21JAN06-DJT-jEASTMAN.​

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Pence was supposed to follow the Eastman Memo which required him to declare Trump the winner on January 6th. Pence refused to do it so Trump’s mob wanted to put a noose around Pence’s neck and kill him.

Here is the jEastman memo:

PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL January 6 scenario 7 states have transmitted dual slates of electors to the President of the Senate. The 12th Amendment merely provides that “the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” There is very solid legal authority, and historical precedent, for the view that the President of the Senate does the counting, including the resolution of disputed electoral votes (as Adams and Jefferson did while Vice President, regarding their own election as President), and all the Members of Congress can do is watch. The Electoral Count Act, which is likely unconstitutional, provides: If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. This is the piece that we believe is unconstitutional. It allows the two houses, “acting separately,” to decide the question, whereas the 12th Amendment provides only for a joint session. And if there is disagreement, under the Act the slate certified by the “executive” of the state is to be counted, regardless of the evidence that exists regarding the election, and regardless of whether there was ever fair review of what happened in the election, by judges and/or state legislatures. So here’s the scenario we propose:


1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).

2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.

3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.

5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.

6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President

 

[JohnDB]

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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Link please?

 

[jc456]

He ignored the will of a megalomaniacal president, thank heavens.

The military, NG, and LEO are ready for you this time.

Or not

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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FACT CHECK: Trump Falsely Claims A 'Massive Landslide Victory'

The president-elect is pushing back on the conclusion that Russia tried to help him win, claiming a historic margin of victory. But the winner received more electoral votes in 37 of 58 U.S. elections.

www.npr.org

"We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306," Trump said in an interview on Fox News Sunday.

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[jc456]

FACT CHECK: Trump Falsely Claims A 'Massive Landslide Victory'

The president-elect is pushing back on the conclusion that Russia tried to help him win, claiming a historic margin of victory. But the winner received more electoral votes in 37 of 58 U.S. elections.

www.npr.org

"We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306," Trump said in an interview on Fox News Sunday.



i. California State Senator Leaves the Democrat Party 240908 {post•17} Trump is our Savior Sep’24 Scsslt: I'm a true bonafide Trump supporter. trmpsrsvr 240908 Scsslt00017



ii. I Still Don't Know What It Is That Trump Opponents (Haters) Are Upset About. 240927 {post•3379 }

Do you agree Saint Trumpisoursavior that Don Trump was doing the work of a savior when pressured Mike Pence to declare himself and Don Trump the winner of the 2020 presidential ejection that they lost in a landslide?

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