Identifying Fascism and How It's Manifested in Society

[rupol2000]

were never remotely communist, ultra capitalists, under a dictatorship.

This is communism: ultra capitalists, under a dictatorship

 

[rupol2000]

The National Socialists were about the most anti-socialists

The Prussian left wing was absolutely socialist.

 

[rupol2000]

I would classify Marinetti's manifesto as a right-wing idea, only it is too pretentious.

By the way, fascism and National Socialism were initially at enmity, they did not enter into an alliance immediately. And the action of burning the books of the National Socialists was more fascist than National Socialist in spirit.
There are many ambiguities

 

[rupol2000]

Bismarck is considered the founder of Lesser German nationalism, but this has always been in Prussianism. This is the reason why many despised Prussianism.

 

[Thunderbird]

First of all, I'm trying to keep this on the level. You seem to want to turn this into some kind of fight, but I'm not your enemy here. I'm not trying to fool you or sell you something or call you an idiot I am trying to warn you of something that you don't know about, so just try to tone down the venom and hear me out for a minute.

Yep, I've seen. The simple answer is that the fascist dictators were lying. They were trying to market their ideas to people with whom socialism was very popular, so they presented their ideas as a type of socialism. It's like how North Korea calls itself a Democratic People's Republic, when they are obviously neither democratic nor a republic.


The rich and poor are unequal in wealth, obviously, so their idea is to use the law to tax the rich, and restore equality. That's how taxing the rich supports equality. Surely you've seen this in the news.


All I did was reword what you had literally just posted: "Making us all equal income wise is not a legitimate function of government." You do not believe that government should make people equal, when they aren't. In your case, it's about hard work: if you bust your ass and become rich, you do not believe the government should take the money you earned and give it to someone who is poor because they don't work. That is a right-wing belief.

The left wing believes that the government *should* do that. They believe in taxing the rich more, and using that money to help the poor. You hate that idea to your core, right? You just said you don't even consider it "American."

Fascists also hate that idea. The last thing they want is for government to take their resources, and give it to people who aren't members of their party, or of their nation. That makes them the opposite of left-wing socialists, which puts them on the same right wing as you. The main difference is that they don't think they deserve stuff because they worked hard, they think they deserve it by birthright.


I didn't even get to the Commies. I've just been talking about socialism, which is an economic system used by, well, the Commies, but also by numerous democracies, including ours.

In another thread, I posted a bunch of links to dictionaries, encyclopedias, and university resources that all correctly describe fascism as right wing, but I don't have time to run those down again. It's common knowledge; if you want a source, dig out your high school Social Studies textbook. It's in there.

However, since I see you linked to Wikipedia in another post, I'll point out that the Wikipedia page on fascism describes it as "a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism" in the first few words. For support, it footnotes to a work of Henry Ashby Turner, a Yale Professor who was one of the leading experts on German fascism.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And that's about all I've got for you. I hope I've shown you something about this, but if I didn't, best of luck to you on all of your future endeavors.

Fascists love big government programs to support the nation. That’s because they are socialists.

The Socialist Economics of Italian Fascism - Econlib

The economics of Italian Fascism is often ignored or trivialized because so much of it is found in today’s world economies. Consider some of the components of fascist economics: central planning, heavy state subsidies, protectionism (high tariffs), steep levels of nationalization, rampant...

www.econlib.org

Refusing to support lazy people is not a belief confined to the right wing. Some socialists feel the same way.

He who does not work, neither shall he eat - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Thunderbird]

But the USSR and Mao's China clearly were never remotely communist, ultra capitalists,

Wow.

Did the state make economic decisions in those countries?

If you want the people to make the decisions about the economy shouldn’t you embrace free markets?

 

[Thunderbird]

Fascism was embraced by Italian conservatives. Hitler hated socialists and communists. He killed them or put them in the concentration camps.

Lenin and Stalin put many socialists in concentration camps as well. Socialist dictators are keen to establish brand identity for their kind of socialism.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Let's see if any of our usual far rightwing radical suspects will be able to refute anything in the video essay, with facts that is.

Truth > Facts

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, communism and fascism are totally and completely different.
But the USSR and Mao's China clearly were never remotely communist, ultra capitalists, under a dictatorship.
The best examples of communism would be a religious community, like an Israeli kibbutzim.

Please put yourself on ignore

 

[surada]

Fascists love big government programs to support the nation. That’s because they are socialists.

The Socialist Economics of Italian Fascism - Econlib

The economics of Italian Fascism is often ignored or trivialized because so much of it is found in today’s world economies. Consider some of the components of fascist economics: central planning, heavy state subsidies, protectionism (high tariffs), steep levels of nationalization, rampant...

www.econlib.org

Refusing to support lazy people is not a belief confined to the right wing. Some socialists feel the same way.

He who does not work, neither shall he eat - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hitler used the Democratic Socialists to get his foot in the door and broke with them in 1926.

 

[Thunderbird]

Hitler used the Democratic Socialists to get his foot in the door and broke with them in 1926.

And then he turned his back on big government?

Hitler's Economics | Mises Institute

Hitler is the modern archetype of political evil, but many who condemn him still embrace his socialist economic policies.

mises.org

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, communism and fascism are totally and completely different.
But the USSR and Mao's China clearly were never remotely communist, ultra capitalists, under a dictatorship.
The best examples of communism would be a religious community, like an Israeli kibbutzim.

You have to be mentally compromised to equate a kibbutz with your beloved Communism

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hitler used the Democratic Socialists to get his foot in the door and broke with them in 1926.

Yes! He broke away and became a free market, individual liberty above all Libertarian, right?

That was right when the America Parties "Switched sides" too!!! Right?

Why don't you proto-Communists just come out and admit your love for Totalitarianism, for dictatorships for slavery? We'd take you much more seriously if you were honest

 

[surada]

And then he turned his back on big government?

Hitler's Economics | Mises Institute

Hitler is the modern archetype of political evil, but many who condemn him still embrace his socialist economic policies.

mises.org

How is that relevant?

 

[surada]

Yes! He broke away and became a free market individual liberty above all Libertarian, right?

That was right when the America Parties "Switched sides" too!!! Right?

Why don't you proto-Communists just come out and admit your love for Totalitarianism, for dictatorships for slavery? We'd take you much more seriously if you were honest

You sound like an hysteric. Trump really has taken over your emotions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You sound like an hysteric. Trump really has taken over your emotions.

You say Hitler wasn't a true Socialist and that living on a kibbutz is exactly like Communism -- and you say I'm "hysterical"

 

[bripat9643]

Never have fascist parties been remotely socialist.
The National Socialists were about the most anti-socialists one could ever possibly get.

Utter bullshit. I've posted the evidence numerous times.

Fascism in general and the National Socialists in particular were a coalition of the aristocracy, wealthy elite, corporate owners, and military.

Even if true, that proves nothing. However, it's not true.

That is about as far from socialism as one could possibly get.

Who are in the party doesn't determine whether it's socialist. That's just commie propaganda.

 

[bodecea]

There are 2 definitions of the word "fascism".

The first is a liberal political movement established and ruled by Italian statesman Benito Mussoliini back in the day.

Definition 2 for "Fascism" is just a slur used by liberals since the days of Stalin to tar their political enemies with.

It wasn't liberal, it was rightwing fascist. Just as the former fat guy's worshippers are fascist.

 

[bripat9643]

Fascism was embraced by Italian conservatives. Hitler hated socialists and communists. He killed them or put them in the concentration camps.

I've never seen any evidence to support that claim.

Hitler did not hate socialists or communists. That's leftwing propaganda, and nothing more. Most of the part members were former socialists or communists, you fucking dumbass.

 

[bripat9643]

It wasn't liberal, it was rightwing fascist. Just as the former fat guy's worshippers are fascist.

idiots like you keep saying this, but you never post any evidence to support it.