If access to guns is the issue, why did Baltimore Criminals kill more than New York criminals?

[2aguy]

Baltimore has all the gun laws that the anti-gunners dream about....every single one.......so, the anti-gunners will say, "well, their criminals simply get guns from out of state..." Which is a stupid, really stupid thing to say.....New York Criminals? They don't have GPS? They can't get guns from out of state?

Baltimore with about 600,000 people had 342 gun murders this Friday with several days left in the year....

New York... population 8,000,000? 306.

It isn't gun control that stops criminals from using guns...as Baltimore, Chicago, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans, show.......and it isn't normal people who own guns for self defense who murder people with their close to 600 million guns in private hands....

Baltimore Breaks City Record for Killings Per Capita in 2019

 

[2aguy]

And again, this article puts it in more perspective...

If out of state gun access is the issue.......then why isn't New York's gun murder rate higher than Baltimore? Do New York Criminals need a map app to get to states next to New York? Are New York criminals afraid of high way driving? Do gun traffickers not like New York attitude?

Baltimore braces for its worst murder rate of the century

The reason the press is bringing up the per capita murder rate is that Charm City has already broken the record by that metric. The city has been losing population every year for a couple of decades, so that rate stands at 57 killings for every 100,000 people. Compare that to New York City where they have recorded 306 murders. That works out to a per capita rate of fewer than 4 murders per 100,000 people. In other words, the per capita murder rate in Baltimore is literally 15 times higher than it is in New York City. You would literally be safer walking around the streets of Baghdad.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Baltimore has all the gun laws that the anti-gunners dream about....every single one.......so, the anti-gunners will say, "well, their criminals simply get guns from out of state..." Which is a stupid, really stupid thing to say.....New York Criminals? They don't have GPS? They can't get guns from out of state?

Baltimore with about 600,000 people had 342 gun murders this Friday with several days left in the year....

New York... population 8,000,000? 306.

It isn't gun control that stops criminals from using guns...as Baltimore, Chicago, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans, show.......and it isn't normal people who own guns for self defense who murder people with their close to 600 million guns in private hands....

Baltimore Breaks City Record for Killings Per Capita in 2019

If we can just keep up "discussions" like this, we can avoid dealing with anything forever, please help us maintain the stays quo.

Mass Shootings in 2019 | Gun Violence Archive

 

[2aguy]

Baltimore has all the gun laws that the anti-gunners dream about....every single one.......so, the anti-gunners will say, "well, their criminals simply get guns from out of state..." Which is a stupid, really stupid thing to say.....New York Criminals? They don't have GPS? They can't get guns from out of state?

Baltimore with about 600,000 people had 342 gun murders this Friday with several days left in the year....

New York... population 8,000,000? 306.

It isn't gun control that stops criminals from using guns...as Baltimore, Chicago, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans, show.......and it isn't normal people who own guns for self defense who murder people with their close to 600 million guns in private hands....

Baltimore Breaks City Record for Killings Per Capita in 2019

If we can just keep up "discussions" like this, we can avoid dealing with anything forever, please help us maintain the stays quo.

Mass Shootings in 2019 | Gun Violence Archive

The Gun Violence Archive lies....... a Mass Public Shooting is a shooting by an individual in a public space with no connection to any other crime...that is the FBI definition...which Mother Jones uses for it's Mass Public Shooting tracker going back to 1981...

The GVA lists every shooting by gang bangers against other gang members and their famillies....which is a completely different crime with different solutions....

You use them because you know that actual mass public shootings in 2018....? 12. 2017? 11.

That won't get you the power you need to ban guns...so you lie and use the Gun Violence ARchive so you can use every shooting at a dice game or gang pool party.....you dumb ass....

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Baltimore has all the gun laws that the anti-gunners dream about....every single one.......so, the anti-gunners will say, "well, their criminals simply get guns from out of state..." Which is a stupid, really stupid thing to say.....New York Criminals? They don't have GPS? They can't get guns from out of state?

Baltimore with about 600,000 people had 342 gun murders this Friday with several days left in the year....

New York... population 8,000,000? 306.

It isn't gun control that stops criminals from using guns...as Baltimore, Chicago, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans, show.......and it isn't normal people who own guns for self defense who murder people with their close to 600 million guns in private hands....

Baltimore Breaks City Record for Killings Per Capita in 2019

If we can just keep up "discussions" like this, we can avoid dealing with anything forever, please help us maintain the stays quo.

Mass Shootings in 2019 | Gun Violence Archive

The Gun Violence Archive lies....... a Mass Public Shooting is a shooting by an individual in a public space with no connection to any other crime...that is the FBI definition...which Mother Jones uses for it's Mass Public Shooting tracker going back to 1981...

The GVA lists every shooting by gang bangers against other gang members and their famillies....which is a completely different crime with different solutions....

You use them because you know that actual mass public shootings in 2018....? 12. 2017? 11.

That won't get you the power you need to ban guns...so you lie and use the Gun Violence ARchive so you can use every shooting at a dice game or gang pool party.....you dumb ass....

Well we can all make up our own "facts now". Hell you asserted Mother Jones claims there were no mass shootings in the US in 2018. Now you wish to quibble over which guns deaths are really gun deaths? You're too funny man.

As you've been told before and do not like, I own and am permitted to carry. Don't mean I need to swallow your shyte.

 

[2aguy]

Baltimore has all the gun laws that the anti-gunners dream about....every single one.......so, the anti-gunners will say, "well, their criminals simply get guns from out of state..." Which is a stupid, really stupid thing to say.....New York Criminals? They don't have GPS? They can't get guns from out of state?

Baltimore with about 600,000 people had 342 gun murders this Friday with several days left in the year....

New York... population 8,000,000? 306.

It isn't gun control that stops criminals from using guns...as Baltimore, Chicago, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans, show.......and it isn't normal people who own guns for self defense who murder people with their close to 600 million guns in private hands....

Baltimore Breaks City Record for Killings Per Capita in 2019

If we can just keep up "discussions" like this, we can avoid dealing with anything forever, please help us maintain the stays quo.

Mass Shootings in 2019 | Gun Violence Archive

Please...explain how it is that as more Americans own guns....as more Americans actually carry those guns for self defense....our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%....

Please, you dumb ass....explain how that works....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

 

[2aguy]

Baltimore has all the gun laws that the anti-gunners dream about....every single one.......so, the anti-gunners will say, "well, their criminals simply get guns from out of state..." Which is a stupid, really stupid thing to say.....New York Criminals? They don't have GPS? They can't get guns from out of state?

Baltimore with about 600,000 people had 342 gun murders this Friday with several days left in the year....

New York... population 8,000,000? 306.

It isn't gun control that stops criminals from using guns...as Baltimore, Chicago, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans, show.......and it isn't normal people who own guns for self defense who murder people with their close to 600 million guns in private hands....

Baltimore Breaks City Record for Killings Per Capita in 2019

If we can just keep up "discussions" like this, we can avoid dealing with anything forever, please help us maintain the stays quo.

Mass Shootings in 2019 | Gun Violence Archive

The Gun Violence Archive lies....... a Mass Public Shooting is a shooting by an individual in a public space with no connection to any other crime...that is the FBI definition...which Mother Jones uses for it's Mass Public Shooting tracker going back to 1981...

The GVA lists every shooting by gang bangers against other gang members and their famillies....which is a completely different crime with different solutions....

You use them because you know that actual mass public shootings in 2018....? 12. 2017? 11.

That won't get you the power you need to ban guns...so you lie and use the Gun Violence ARchive so you can use every shooting at a dice game or gang pool party.....you dumb ass....

Well we can all make up our own "facts now". Hell you asserted Mother Jones claims there were no mass shootings in the US in 2018. Now you wish to quibble over which guns deaths are really gun deaths? You're too funny man.

Correction...no mass public school shootings in 2017....you moron...

Look at the actual chart using the actual definition.....


US mass shootings, 1982-2019: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

 

[harmonica]

Baltimore has all the gun laws that the anti-gunners dream about....every single one.......so, the anti-gunners will say, "well, their criminals simply get guns from out of state..." Which is a stupid, really stupid thing to say.....New York Criminals? They don't have GPS? They can't get guns from out of state?

Baltimore with about 600,000 people had 342 gun murders this Friday with several days left in the year....

New York... population 8,000,000? 306.

It isn't gun control that stops criminals from using guns...as Baltimore, Chicago, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans, show.......and it isn't normal people who own guns for self defense who murder people with their close to 600 million guns in private hands....

Baltimore Breaks City Record for Killings Per Capita in 2019

....Baltimore , CHicago, LA, and NYC ALL have LOWER murder rates than very pro-gun St Louis, MO- so gun control works

 

[2aguy]

Baltimore has all the gun laws that the anti-gunners dream about....every single one.......so, the anti-gunners will say, "well, their criminals simply get guns from out of state..." Which is a stupid, really stupid thing to say.....New York Criminals? They don't have GPS? They can't get guns from out of state?

Baltimore with about 600,000 people had 342 gun murders this Friday with several days left in the year....

New York... population 8,000,000? 306.

It isn't gun control that stops criminals from using guns...as Baltimore, Chicago, D.C., St. Louis, New Orleans, show.......and it isn't normal people who own guns for self defense who murder people with their close to 600 million guns in private hands....

Baltimore Breaks City Record for Killings Per Capita in 2019

....Baltimore , CHicago, LA, and NYC ALL have LOWER murder rates than very pro-gun St Louis, MO- so gun control works

This thread shows it doesn't, you doofus.....and you have been shown that the gun murder problem in St. Louis, as well as the other states you listed, is due to democrat party policies on crime and punishment...where they continuously let repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, and out of prison with light sentences........