If Democrats ignore health-care polls, midterms will be costly

[Murf76]

Not unless there is a "pre-existing" condition. Don't just say part of the truth, say it ALL.

If a man and his wife has two children and all are covered under his insurance policy, and the man gets cancer, if it is known that one of the children has an allergy, the entire family can be dropped because of the "pre-existing condition".

Don't you guys even know what you are defending? Seriously? Do you have a clue?

Insurance policies are basically contracts. One party says he'll pay this, the other says he'll provide that. It's a transaction.

A healthcare insurance policy is NOT a healthcare "plan". You don't buy comprehensive auto insurance AFTER you've totaled your car. If you want healthcare "plans", that's a whole different discussion. Let's have THAT discussion at a national level. But you can't demand that private insurer's turn no one away, provide X, Y, and Z, and also cap the price of policies. It puts private insurance out of business because there's not enough money coming in to cover what is going out.

 

[DE3]

The flaw in YOUR post is that BECAUSE OF Medicare, people are living longer because the elderly have access to better health care when they often had little or none at all. That also affects the population now receiving Social Security benefits. Are we just supposed to die off naturally after a certain age like we did not too many decades ago? Isn't the whole purpose of the Constitution to ...form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...??

You didn't happen to notice that Medicare is going broke and that some doctors are turning it down?... or that rich people still keep better insurance on the side and pay out of pocket for things that aren't covered?

Just because the funding mechanism was never rightfully addressed speaks nothing the the effectiveness of the program.

 

[Misty]

Dems did what they always do ... overplay their hand, in-fight, and roundly fuck up a cup of coffee.

Reps did what they always do ... live in hyperbole, do anything they can to the cloud the debate, demonize, and pretend they are willing to compromise.

The end result is we all get screwed.

I see it just the opposite.

We will all be saved by the two parties pulling it apart proving that the government should not be managing healthcare.

 

[rdean]

Not unless there is a "pre-existing" condition. Don't just say part of the truth, say it ALL.

If a man and his wife has two children and all are covered under his insurance policy, and the man gets cancer, if it is known that one of the children has an allergy, the entire family can be dropped because of the "pre-existing condition".

Don't you guys even know what you are defending? Seriously? Do you have a clue?

Insurance policies are basically contracts. One party says he'll pay this, the other says he'll provide that. It's a transaction.

A healthcare insurance policy is NOT a healthcare "plan". You don't buy comprehensive auto insurance AFTER you've totaled your car. If you want healthcare "plans", that's a whole different discussion. Let's have THAT discussion at a national level. But you can't demand that private insurer's turn no one away, provide X, Y, and Z, and also cap the price of policies. It puts private insurance out of business because there's not enough money coming in to cover what is going out.

Sorry, you get an "F" for bad analysis. Pre existing condition doesn't mean you already have "cancer". You can get cancer and be dropped because you have an "allergy" or even a "discussion" with a doctor. Come on now. Tell he truth.

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Defining Pre-existing Conditions
The definition of a pre-existing condition varies from state to state and from policy to policy. In general, a pre-existing condition can be defined as any medical condition that a person had knowledge of, or had been treated for, prior to enrolling in a health insurance program. Under many pre-existing condition laws, a pre-existing condition is one for which any of the following was recommended or received within the six months prior to the health insurance enrollment date:

medical advice
diagnosis
care, or
treatment

The pre-existing condition could be almost anything — for example, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, carpal tunnel syndrome, a back problem, etc.

Pre-existing Condition Laws

 

[Murf76]

Just because the funding mechanism was never rightfully addressed speaks nothing the the effectiveness of the program.

It's unsustainable. What part of "unsustainable" do you not understand?

 

[DE3]

Just because the funding mechanism was never rightfully addressed speaks nothing the the effectiveness of the program.

It's unsustainable. What part of "unsustainable" do you not understand?

I understand it completely. And as I said because the funding has never been properly addressed does not refelct in any way on the success or effectiveness of the program. People love their medicare. The problems can and will be addressed.

 

[DE3]

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[Murf76]

I understand it completely. And as I said because the funding has never been properly addressed does not refelct in any way on the success or effectiveness of the program. People love their medicare. The problems can and will be addressed.

When? When will they be addressed? Entitlement programs take on a life of their own... running politicians instead of the other way around. And they're invariably more costly than projected.

Medicare (hospital insurance). In 1965, as Congress considered legislation to establish a national Medicare program, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance portion of the program, Part A, would cost about $9 billion annually by 1990.v Actual Part A spending in 1990 was $67 billion. The actuary who provided the original cost estimates acknowledged in 1994 that, even after conservatively discounting for the unexpectedly high inflation rates of the early ‘70s and other factors, “the actual [Part A] experience was 165% higher than the estimate.”

Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.

(more...)
Health Care Reform Cost Estimates: What is the Track Record? | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

 

[skookerasbil]

VOTE UPDATE.................


House Dums still at least 10 short...........closer to 15.

 

[Murf76]

Sorry, you get an "F" for bad analysis.

That would be ever so disappointing.... if I actually gave a crap about your opinion.

Pre existing condition doesn't mean you already have "cancer". You can get cancer and be dropped because you have an "allergy" or even a "discussion" with a doctor. Come on now. Tell he truth.

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Defining Pre-existing Conditions
The definition of a pre-existing condition varies from state to state and from policy to policy. In general, a pre-existing condition can be defined as any medical condition that a person had knowledge of, or had been treated for, prior to enrolling in a health insurance program. Under many pre-existing condition laws, a pre-existing condition is one for which any of the following was recommended or received within the six months prior to the health insurance enrollment date:

medical advice
diagnosis
care, or
treatment

The pre-existing condition could be almost anything — for example, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, carpal tunnel syndrome, a back problem, etc.

Pre-existing Condition Laws

About 85% of Americans already have insurance. And most are pretty happy with it. While it's true that there is a small percentage of people who are having trouble finding coverage.. it is not a problem so large that it requires we rush headlong into government-run healthcare. In fact, there is a little niche market already, which would certainly expand if people were free to buy across state lines.

 

[DE3]

Sorry, you get an "F" for bad analysis.

That would be ever so disappointing.... if I actually gave a crap about your opinion.

Pre existing condition doesn't mean you already have "cancer". You can get cancer and be dropped because you have an "allergy" or even a "discussion" with a doctor. Come on now. Tell he truth.

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Defining Pre-existing Conditions
The definition of a pre-existing condition varies from state to state and from policy to policy. In general, a pre-existing condition can be defined as any medical condition that a person had knowledge of, or had been treated for, prior to enrolling in a health insurance program. Under many pre-existing condition laws, a pre-existing condition is one for which any of the following was recommended or received within the six months prior to the health insurance enrollment date:

medical advice
diagnosis
care, or
treatment

The pre-existing condition could be almost anything — for example, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, carpal tunnel syndrome, a back problem, etc.

Pre-existing Condition Laws

About 85% of Americans already have insurance. And most are pretty happy with it. While it's true that there is a small percentage of people who are having trouble finding coverage.. it is not a problem so large that it requires we rush headlong into government-run healthcare. In fact, there is a little niche market already, which would certainly expand if people were free to buy across state lines.

There is no government run healthcare being proposed.

 

[driveby]

so you're saying government health care is better?

yeah, that's what i was saying ........

good, i just wanted to make sure of the republican position.

The bush tax cuts, passed because republicans used reconciliation, cost two and a half times more than the democratic health care plan. Of course, more than half of that tax cut went to the top 5%, so it was worth it.

Emergency rooms cost 10 times the amount that insurance would cost, so republicans find that "fiscally responsible".

Iraq, afghanistan, katrina, trillions in tax cuts during a time of war, is there anything the republicans know how to do that won't fuck things up worse?

oh noes !! ..... Booooooooooossssssssshhhhhhhhhh !!!

 

[DE3]

I understand it completely. And as I said because the funding has never been properly addressed does not refelct in any way on the success or effectiveness of the program. People love their medicare. The problems can and will be addressed.

When? When will they be addressed? Entitlement programs take on a life of their own... running politicians instead of the other way around. And they're invariably more costly than projected.

Medicare (hospital insurance). In 1965, as Congress considered legislation to establish a national Medicare program, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance portion of the program, Part A, would cost about $9 billion annually by 1990.v Actual Part A spending in 1990 was $67 billion. The actuary who provided the original cost estimates acknowledged in 1994 that, even after conservatively discounting for the unexpectedly high inflation rates of the early ‘70s and other factors, “the actual [Part A] experience was 165% higher than the estimate.”

Medicare (entire program). In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee predicted that the new Medicare program, launched the previous year, would cost about $12 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending in 1990 was $110 billion—off by nearly a factor of 10.

(more...)
Health Care Reform Cost Estimates: What is the Track Record? | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

When? As soon as polticians get the sack to run on the issue. So far they have not, but the day is soon coming.

What is one of the big Rep angles against the healthcare bills. "You're cutting $500 billion from Medicare."

 

[The Rabbi]

Sorry, you get an "F" for bad analysis.

That would be ever so disappointing.... if I actually gave a crap about your opinion.

Pre existing condition doesn't mean you already have "cancer". You can get cancer and be dropped because you have an "allergy" or even a "discussion" with a doctor. Come on now. Tell he truth.

-------------------------------------

Defining Pre-existing Conditions
The definition of a pre-existing condition varies from state to state and from policy to policy. In general, a pre-existing condition can be defined as any medical condition that a person had knowledge of, or had been treated for, prior to enrolling in a health insurance program. Under many pre-existing condition laws, a pre-existing condition is one for which any of the following was recommended or received within the six months prior to the health insurance enrollment date:

medical advice
diagnosis
care, or
treatment

The pre-existing condition could be almost anything — for example, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, carpal tunnel syndrome, a back problem, etc.

Pre-existing Condition Laws

About 85% of Americans already have insurance. And most are pretty happy with it. While it's true that there is a small percentage of people who are having trouble finding coverage.. it is not a problem so large that it requires we rush headlong into government-run healthcare. In fact, there is a little niche market already, which would certainly expand if people were free to buy across state lines.

There is no government run healthcare being proposed.

Keep telling yourself that, Scooter.

 

[Ame®icano]

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Sorry, but you would need to provide a link that says WHY those claims were denied. If a Medicare patient has a valid claim, s/he will NOT be denied based on some obscure formula unbeknownst beforehand like private insurers do. I got denied last year for the cost of a complete physical, which was optional on my part, because a Medicare recipient is only entitled to ONE complete physical paid for 100% and that's only in the first year of coverage. If you don't do it then, the payments are made (or denied) based on the specific formula outlined in a nice, easy to read, clearly stated manual with no fine print.

Private insurance companies cannot legally deny claims without a valid reason either. They're breaching contract if they do.

Not unless there is a "pre-existing" condition. Don't just say part of the truth, say it ALL.

If a man and his wife has two children and all are covered under his insurance policy, and the man gets cancer, if it is known that one of the children has an allergy, the entire family can be dropped because of the "pre-existing condition".

Don't you guys even know what you are defending? Seriously? Do you have a clue?

I find it quite entertaining when rdean starts pulling shit out of his ass....one of his kids is allergic to cancer?

If that's the case then you must be allergic to intelligence.

 

[Zona]

Well, I as a dem would like to thank the righty's for "warning" us about November. We are supposed to listen to that party for their advice on winning or losing? That is just so cute.

Thank you, no. We will be fine in November and we will pass this bill. We win, you lose. Once again.

 

[The Rabbi]

Well, I as a dem would like to thank the righty's for "warning" us about November. We are supposed to listen to that party for their advice on winning or losing? That is just so cute.

Thank you, no. We will be fine in November and we will pass this bill. We win, you lose. Once again.

You're right. Massaschuessets was just a fluke. As was VA and NJ. Dems are gonna win them all. Might as well stay home.

 

[rightwinger]

Well, I as a dem would like to thank the righty's for "warning" us about November. We are supposed to listen to that party for their advice on winning or losing? That is just so cute.

Thank you, no. We will be fine in November and we will pass this bill. We win, you lose. Once again.

You're right. Massaschuessets was just a fluke. As was VA and NJ. Dems are gonna win them all. Might as well stay home.

You gotta do what ya gotta do

Pass healthcare now and let the Republicans run on taking it away in November. Let the people decide

 

[Ame®icano]