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You moron, the trial has been going on for some time. The reserved seating for the press has been empty. The gag order was in effect PRIOR to the trial.
Fucking pervert, now go back to your porn and dead baby whack off material.
Not a matter of moving the goalposts at all. Point was, we were never talking about "Threat to the mother's life abortion" here with Gosnell. Gosnell was the threat to the mother's life.
Point = you claimed PA doesnt fund abortions. Just like earlier you clamied gosnell charged $300 and was the only game in town due to laws when it wasn't true.
You make it up as you go to suit your story. I am drawn to point it out like a fat kid to cake.
I've never seen this weirdo post anything that doesn't include at least one (and often more) blatant lies. They aren't *accidental* lies, either. They're deliberately planted to further baby killing and perversion among a certain population.
He's not just a sociopath, though he's certainly that..he's a creepy sociopath.
Again- if you had state paid for abortion in the first trimester, no one would go to Gosnell in the third.
We could also talk about how "Starving the Beast" (cutting taxes so that state agencies never have enough money to do their jobs) probably contributed to the state board not following up on complaints.
Again, that is not the issue.
It is as far as I'm concerned.
Look, guys, there are one of two ways to treat Abortion.
One is to treat it as a medical issue, the other is to treat it as a moral issue.
PA Tries to treat it as a moral issue, and puts as many roadblocks to a woman getting a legal abortion as possible, from not funding them for poor people to blocking them after the 24th week.
Oh, but we won't actually fund the agencies that are supposed to check these clinics. Nope.
This is where abortion laws become kind of like the prostitution laws. Yup, we've shown our moral outrage, but we can still get what we are looking for pretty easily.
Now, if we treated it like a medical issue, poor women would be able to get abortions in the first trimester in a free clinic without having to claim rape.
A mutant like Gosnell would never exist to start with.
PA Tries to treat it as a moral issue, and puts as many roadblocks to a woman getting a legal abortion as possible, from not funding them for poor people to blocking them after the 24th week.
When does PA fund abortions ?
It doesn't. That's the problem.
It doesn't. That's the problem.
You dont know what you are talking about. But it wont stop you.
Twenty-nine states fund abortion in cases of threat to life, rape or incest (AL, AZ, AR, CO, DE, FL, GA, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, ME, MI, MO, NE, NV, NH, NC, ND, OH, OK, PA, RI, SC, TN, TX, UT, WY).
https://www.msu.edu/user/schwenkl/abtrbng/stablw.htm
Dumbass, we are talking about most abortiosn, not the exceptions.
Gosnell existed because Medicaid wouldn't fund abortions that were elective. So these women had to wait until they could scrape up enough money to pay for one, but by then, they were past the 24th week.
We can thank my former congressman, lying fat hypocrite Henry Hyde.
Judge issues gag order in Gosnell case ? NewsWorks
What? No devious conspiracy. The Judge actually gagged the lawyers from BOTH sides from talking about the case for two years?Common Pleas Court Judge Benjamin Lerner has imposed a gag order in the case of Kermit and Pearl Gosnell. Their lawyers won't be allowed to talk to reporters at least until the case goes to trial.
The order came following a dispute over a search of Pearl Gosnell's cell, the Inquirer reports. As she awaited release to house arrest, her cell was searched last week and letters exchanged with her husband were taken.
Until a hearing is scheduled to determine whether a search warrant -- not just the subpoena that was used -- is needed to search a cell, copies of the letters taken won't be returned to Pearl Gosnell. No further searches can be conducted without a warrant.
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Now you are presenting me with a false dilemma. Can you do anything without resorting to logical fallacies?
Just to clarify things for the people who are not willfully ignorant, almost everything issue is a moral issue. Every time we make a choice morality is involved. Ignoring morality is the quickest way to get into a mess I can think of.
That does not mean that abortion is solely a moral issue. Like all issues, it depends on a lot of different factors, there is never a one size fits all answer for everything. Anyone who thinks there is is simplistic, and probably should not be allowed to have any contact with normal human beings.
Abortion is a moral issue.
Abortion is an emotional issue.
Abortion is a medical issue.
Abortion is a lot more complicated than you want to admit.
The only real way to treat abortion, as what it is, something that is not open to easy answers, cannot be dealt with by government decree, and, above all, remember that it is actually possible to be both right and wrong at the same time.
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Now you are presenting me with a false dilemma. Can you do anything without resorting to logical fallacies?
Just to clarify things for the people who are not willfully ignorant, almost everything issue is a moral issue. Every time we make a choice morality is involved. Ignoring morality is the quickest way to get into a mess I can think of.
That does not mean that abortion is solely a moral issue. Like all issues, it depends on a lot of different factors, there is never a one size fits all answer for everything. Anyone who thinks there is is simplistic, and probably should not be allowed to have any contact with normal human beings.
Abortion is a moral issue.
Abortion is an emotional issue.
Abortion is a medical issue.
Abortion is a lot more complicated than you want to admit.
The only real way to treat abortion, as what it is, something that is not open to easy answers, cannot be dealt with by government decree, and, above all, remember that it is actually possible to be both right and wrong at the same time.
Guy, there's no moral issue here.
Fetuses aren't people. If they were, we'd treat tampons as crime scenes. You guys make it a moral issue, and an emotional one, when it doesn't need to be and shouldn't.
There's nothing complicated here at all. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she will find a way to not be pregnant. Period. Has been that way through all of history.
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Now you are presenting me with a false dilemma. Can you do anything without resorting to logical fallacies?
Just to clarify things for the people who are not willfully ignorant, almost everything issue is a moral issue. Every time we make a choice morality is involved. Ignoring morality is the quickest way to get into a mess I can think of.
That does not mean that abortion is solely a moral issue. Like all issues, it depends on a lot of different factors, there is never a one size fits all answer for everything. Anyone who thinks there is is simplistic, and probably should not be allowed to have any contact with normal human beings.
Abortion is a moral issue.
Abortion is an emotional issue.
Abortion is a medical issue.
Abortion is a lot more complicated than you want to admit.
The only real way to treat abortion, as what it is, something that is not open to easy answers, cannot be dealt with by government decree, and, above all, remember that it is actually possible to be both right and wrong at the same time.
Guy, there's no moral issue here.
Fetuses aren't people. If they were, we'd treat tampons as crime scenes. You guys make it a moral issue, and an emotional one, when it doesn't need to be and shouldn't.
There's nothing complicated here at all. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she will find a way to not be pregnant. Period. Has been that way through all of history.
The fact that you are immoral does not mean that morality is not an issue.
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The judge in the Aurora case also issued a gag order, yet the media has been talking about it non stop. Could that be because gag orders don't actually apply to newspapers?
Guy, there's no moral issue here.
Fetuses aren't people. If they were, we'd treat tampons as crime scenes. You guys make it a moral issue, and an emotional one, when it doesn't need to be and shouldn't.
There's nothing complicated here at all. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she will find a way to not be pregnant. Period. Has been that way through all of history.
The fact that you are immoral does not mean that morality is not an issue.
That happens to be your opinion. but since your religion once declared slavery, witch burnings and genocide perfectly "moral", I think I will sort of ignore the stupdity of your opinion.
There is no MORAL issue about abortion. Just a medical one.
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There are ethical and moral issues in prescribing antibiotics, but you think there are none involved in abortion.
And you still say I am crazy.
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The judge in the Aurora case also issued a gag order, yet the media has been talking about it non stop. Could that be because gag orders don't actually apply to newspapers?
Maybe... but here's the thing, the whine of this thread is that the National Media isn't treating a three year old story like it's the BIGGEST THING EV-UH!!!!!
There's really nothing new here.
The only thing that is new is the Anti-Choice Theocrats trying to push their batshit crazy agenda on the rest of us.
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There are ethical and moral issues in prescribing antibiotics, but you think there are none involved in abortion.
And you still say I am crazy.
Yup, honestly, you kind of are going higher in the crazy rate when you start talking about "antibiotics" and morality.
It's either good science to prescribe them or bad science. No moral issue involved.
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The judge in the Aurora case also issued a gag order, yet the media has been talking about it non stop. Could that be because gag orders don't actually apply to newspapers?
Maybe... but here's the thing, the whine of this thread is that the National Media isn't treating a three year old story like it's the BIGGEST THING EV-UH!!!!!
There's really nothing new here.
The only thing that is new is the Anti-Choice Theocrats trying to push their batshit crazy agenda on the rest of us.
That might seem like a whine to you, but the fact is that the national media had more to say about reopening the Natalie Wood case, which is a lot more than three years old, than they have about Gosnell since the trial started. Even the media admits they screwed this up, yet you still insist Gosnell was not wrong, and that the media had other things to do.
Now that you have started blathering about conspiracies you have everything you need to start a whole bunch of threads, and even a website.
