If Obamacare Is So Bad, Then Why Must Republicans Lie About It So?

[MarcATL]

Why have the Republicans and the far RW waged a full-on campaign of lies to bring down Obamacare?

At 1st they said that the no one would sign-up and that it would collapse on its own weight, then it was the youth wouldn't sign-up, then it was we don't know how many were previously insured that are now insured (as if that makes any bit of a damn difference), they've gone so far as to say outright that "Obama's cooking the books."

Here's a little factoid...9.5 PREVIOUSLY UNINSURED Americans are NOW insured thanks to Obamacare...

Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
At Least 9.5 Million Uninsured Americans Have Gained Coverage Under Obamacare | ThinkProgress
9.5M U.S. Residents Newly Insured Under ACA, Analysis Finds - California Healthline

Lastly, what will the Republicans replace Obamacare with if they, by some miracle, manage to repeal Obamacare?

Fox News Host Demands To Know Why GOP Hasn't Offered An Alternative To Obamacare | ThinkProgress

 

[aplcr0331]

I don't know why Republicans lie about it.

I did find this sentence in one of your articles interesting to note: "Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states."

I'd like to see numbers for all categories. Have you come across those in your research on ACA?

Plus, the article thinks this may happen: "The Affordable Care Act still faces major challenges, particularly the risk of premium hikes next year that could drive away newly insured customers".

Further down in one article it mentions that of the 6 million sign ups, almost two thirds (or 4 million) were, in fact, already insured.

"At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured."

Ahhh, never mind. That LA Times article skewers the headline anyway. Whatever.

 

[Mr. H.]

9.5 million down, 40 million to go.

If you like shit shoved down your throat, then lap it up doggie.

Kneel down and take it up the ass, just how you like it.

 

[Godboy]

If obamacare is so good, why do democrats have to lie about it?

 

[Mr. H.]

Remind us again... what exactly was so broken that we had to throw tens of millions of insured Americans into total chaos in order to satisfy a minority of uninsured.

You fuckers totally creep me out.

 

[Mr. H.]

The ACA... insuring one in 1,000,000 Americans... because we can.

Fucking morons.

 

[S.J.]

If obamacare is so good, why do democrats have to lie about it?

And why are all the Obamacare supporters exempted from it?

 

[Mr. H.]

Health insurance... if you don't have it then we'll tear down the house until you do.

Obama- fucking up the un-fucked since 2008.

 

[Mr. H.]

Obama- tearing up the asunder since 2008.

If it ain't broke, break it.

If it's broke break it down more, bitch.

Once the bitch is down, stomp it to the ground. Kill Whitey.

Make the white man bleed.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

MarckyMarcATL heard from the veritable font of truth, Sen. Harry Reid, that all the naysayers about ObumblerCare are lying liars who lie and lie.

Of course, Reid is the liar as we have seen.

But shhhhhhhhhhhhh

Don't tell MarkyMarcATL. It would wreck him to find out that he's being lied to by that lolberal Democrat Senate "leader."

To help him out ('cause I actually do kinda like Marc), here's a helpful link to shed some light on what a raving dishonest hack bitch scumbag Sen. Reid is on this topic:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/...cans-of-lying-about-obamacare-horror-stories/

 

[Mr. H.]

Bleed out white America.

Cut the throat at the throat.

The Black President has the knife. And he wields it deftly.

 

[Mojo2]

Why have the Republicans and the far RW waged a full-on campaign of lies to bring down Obamacare?

At 1st they said that the no one would sign-up and that it would collapse on its own weight, then it was the youth wouldn't sign-up, then it was we don't know how many were previously insured that are now insured (as if that makes any bit of a damn difference), they've gone so far as to say outright that "Obama's cooking the books."

Here's a little factoid...9.5 PREVIOUSLY UNINSURED Americans are NOW insured thanks to Obamacare...

Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
At Least 9.5 Million Uninsured Americans Have Gained Coverage Under Obamacare | ThinkProgress
9.5M U.S. Residents Newly Insured Under ACA, Analysis Finds - California Healthline

Lastly, what will the Republicans replace Obamacare with if they, by some miracle, manage to repeal Obamacare?

Fox News Host Demands To Know Why GOP Hasn't Offered An Alternative To Obamacare | ThinkProgress

You REALLY don't know the difference between a lie and a sincere belief which turns out to be unfounded?

How far did you get in school?

Why have the Republicans and the far RW waged a full-on campaign of lies to bring down Obamacare?

At 1st they said that the no one would sign-up and that it would collapse on its own weight, then it was the youth wouldn't sign-up, then it was we don't know how many were previously insured that are now insured (as if that makes any bit of a damn difference),

These aren't lies. They were, (if YOU are being truthful in relating them here) beliefs, predictions, prognostications based on what was known and believed true at the time.

When Arizona fans said their team was going to beat Wisconsin they weren't lying. They were just mistaken in their belief.

Jeezus, no wonder this country is going down the tubes.

No wonder so many of your fuzzy brains are unable to understand the whole WMD/invasion dynamic.

they've gone so far as to say outright that "Obama's cooking the books."

This remains to be seen or proven, afaik.

So it isn't a lie, either.

Lastly, what will the Republicans replace Obamacare with if they, by some miracle, manage to repeal Obamacare?

Everyone knows a replacement needs to be created and I'd bet there are teams of RIGHT thinking Americans currently working on something that will be waaaay better than ACA.

Something which will leave us free citizens, something we all can afford, something which won't penalize businesses and put people out of work. Something they won't have to trick Congress into passing.

The ONE thing you, inadvertently, got right is that the Right is VERY concerned about ACA becoming a burden we will never be able to free ourselves of.

And as a Black man I have a weakness for people who are enslaved through government edict.

The RW has my back on this.

Why not yours?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why have the Republicans and the far RW waged a full-on campaign of lies to bring down Obamacare?

At 1st they said that the no one would sign-up and that it would collapse on its own weight, then it was the youth wouldn't sign-up, then it was we don't know how many were previously insured that are now insured (as if that makes any bit of a damn difference), they've gone so far as to say outright that "Obama's cooking the books."

Here's a little factoid...9.5 PREVIOUSLY UNINSURED Americans are NOW insured thanks to Obamacare...

Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people - latimes.com
At Least 9.5 Million Uninsured Americans Have Gained Coverage Under Obamacare | ThinkProgress
9.5M U.S. Residents Newly Insured Under ACA, Analysis Finds - California Healthline

Lastly, what will the Republicans replace Obamacare with if they, by some miracle, manage to repeal Obamacare?

Fox News Host Demands To Know Why GOP Hasn't Offered An Alternative To Obamacare | ThinkProgress

It is amazing.

You claim that Republicans lie, then use lies to prove it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Marc. No. You're the one lying about it.

Durbin?s claim that 10 million now have health insurance because of Obamacare

 

[Politico]

9.5 million down, 40 million to go.

If you like shit shoved down your throat, then lap it up doggie.

Kneel down and take it up the ass, just how you like it.

Don't copy his made up numbers. Someone might believe them.

 

[Mojo2]

This article was published in 2010 and some of the analysis may be outdated.

But that isn't the same as lies.

20 Ways ObamaCare Will Take Away Our Freedoms

By David Hogberg

Posted 03/25/2010 05:37 PM ET

If some reports are to be believed, the Democrats will pass the Senate health care bill with some reconciliation changes later today. Thus, it is worthwhile to take a comprehensive look at the freedoms we will lose.

Of course, the bill is supposed to provide us with security. But it will result in skyrocketing insurance costs and physicians leaving the field in droves, making it harder to afford and find medical care. We may be about to live Benjamin Franklin's adage, "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."

The sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill as displayed by the Rules Committee.

1. You are young and don't want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the "privilege." (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You'll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That's because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person's health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

4. Think you'd like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn't cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that's what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn't allow your employees' slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.
You're a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You're a woman who can't have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You're a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a "Bronze plan," which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d)(1)(A))

8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you'd like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).

9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 50 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can't do that. (Section 9005 (i)).

11. If you are a physician and you don't want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It's not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients' care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))

12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a "Medicare provider agreement" by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didn't have those by then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A)).

13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you can't (Section 6001 (i) (1) (B). Unless, it is located in a county where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than 200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) (C)).

14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed "unreasonable" by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied. (Section 1003)

15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sell to the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at $2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at $2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (b)).


16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 (b)).
The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 1405).

17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer, what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administrative costs. So, if your net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or $670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 (b) (1) (A and B).)

18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).

19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).
That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates, and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you need to ask. (Section 1402).

20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).

20 Ways ObamaCare Will Take Away Our Freedoms - Investors.com

Go ahead and give up your freedoms.

But leave mine the fuck alone.

 

[MarcATL]

I don't know why Republicans lie about it.

I did find this sentence in one of your articles interesting to note: "Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states."

I'd like to see numbers for all categories. Have you come across those in your research on ACA?

Plus, the article thinks this may happen: "The Affordable Care Act still faces major challenges, particularly the risk of premium hikes next year that could drive away newly insured customers".

Further down in one article it mentions that of the 6 million sign ups, almost two thirds (or 4 million) were, in fact, already insured.

"At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured."

Ahhh, never mind. That LA Times article skewers the headline anyway. Whatever.

I have an idea why. Because they never liked it. And they never liked it because it's Obama's idea. Therefore they'd do anything within their power to destroy it. Anything including, lying, cheating and even sabotaging it.

They've proven to have been doing exactly those things thus far.

As for the rest of your post, including the categories, well, although some were previously insured, it has proven to help many that were NOT uninsured. Furthermore, of those that were previously insured, most of them now experience lower costs with better premiums.

Wait until the Democrats get their crap together and start pushing out all the success stories.

Have you noticed that all the negative stories that the Republicans were pushing previously have all turned out to be deceptive? Every. last. one of them. That's not a good sign for the Reps.

The thing Republicans and the far RW don't like about Obamacare...is Obama.

 

[novasteve]

Why do liberals lie about who is the most likely to get HIV? Why do liberals lie about man made global warming? Why do liberals like about the "war on women" etc?

 

[novasteve]

Example of scientific fact causing offense to liberals. look at the comments. THey are going INSANE over fact. Fact offends them.

Biology Leaves Gay Men Highly Vulnerable to HIV: Study - US News

 

[Stephanie]

Liberals have become nothing but lapdogs for Obama and the Democrat party

No matter this law has HURT MORE PEOPLE than helped, do they give a shit about you? No, your elected Government employee like Reid calls you all, liars and then their sheep baaaaa's the same thing at you, their fellow countrymen and women

Do they care about you it's hurt? no it's all about propping up their Dear leader and party

they've become subjects and nothing more