If this is true, we are in trouble...

[Skull Pilot]

If I were to pay for everything AROUND HERE, it would be about $5,000 a year for healthcare, about $15,000 a year for a studio apartment, $1,500 a year on food.

That's close to $22,000 just on insurance you're SUPPOSED to have + Rent.

Now forget about food, ultilities, phone bills, cable bills.

You might very well spend $35,000 a year on everything, when all is said, & done.

Yet, Republicans ALSO WANT you to save up for RETIREMENT.

I think Republicans are either INSANE, or RETARDED.

Once again I will tell you I am not a republican.

If you can't afford rent then get a fucking roommate.
If you can't pay your bills get a second job

Stop whining

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hey it's the law that everyone have health insurance if they don't it's not my problem

The average healthcare spending per person in 2016 was OVER $10,000 in the U.S.A, by far the most in the World.

That's so great, let me tell you. (Rolls eyes)

SO what?

If you have good insurance you'll never pay that much

So get yourself a good health insurance policy

The average premiums for 1 person is $5,000, and about another $5,000 is spent by the government on healthcare.

That makes us about 1/3rd higher than the next most expensive country in the World for healthcare.

So, our motto must be pay more for healthcare, don't live as long.

Wow, what a grand scheme, f*cking embarrassing.

Don't like it then get the fuck out.

If you don't want to obey the law and get health insurance it is your own fault

Don't like National Health Insurance, go live in Somalia.

The civilized World supports National Healthcare, go be a Barbarian on your own terms.

Then move your whining ass to a civilized country

And the fucking government can't do anything right so you're an idiot if you want politicians running your health care

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If I were to pay for everything AROUND HERE, it would be about $5,000 a year for healthcare, about $15,000 a year for a studio apartment, $1,500 a year on food.

That's close to $22,000 just on insurance you're SUPPOSED to have + Rent.

Now forget about food, ultilities, phone bills, cable bills.

You might very well spend $35,000 a year on everything, when all is said, & done.

Yet, Republicans ALSO WANT you to save up for RETIREMENT.

I think Republicans are either INSANE, or RETARDED.

Once again I will tell you I am not a republican.

If you can't afford rent then get a fucking roommate.
If you can't pay your bills get a second job

Stop whining

So, we should live like Illegal Immigrants, 3 beds to a room.

The Republican motto, it's Patriotic for Americans to settle for less.

F*cking ridiculous.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If I were to pay for everything AROUND HERE, it would be about $5,000 a year for healthcare, about $15,000 a year for a studio apartment, $1,500 a year on food.

That's close to $22,000 just on insurance you're SUPPOSED to have + Rent.

Now forget about food, ultilities, phone bills, cable bills.

You might very well spend $35,000 a year on everything, when all is said, & done.

Yet, Republicans ALSO WANT you to save up for RETIREMENT.

I think Republicans are either INSANE, or RETARDED.

Once again I will tell you I am not a republican.

If you can't afford rent then get a fucking roommate.
If you can't pay your bills get a second job

Stop whining

So, we should live like Illegal Immigrants, 3 beds to a room.

The Republican motto, it's Patriotic for Americans to settle for less.

F*cking ridiculous.

You live as well as you can afford to live.

Just because you are a failure and can't support yourself doesn't mean I have to support you

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The average healthcare spending per person in 2016 was OVER $10,000 in the U.S.A, by far the most in the World.

That's so great, let me tell you. (Rolls eyes)

SO what?

If you have good insurance you'll never pay that much

So get yourself a good health insurance policy

The average premiums for 1 person is $5,000, and about another $5,000 is spent by the government on healthcare.

That makes us about 1/3rd higher than the next most expensive country in the World for healthcare.

So, our motto must be pay more for healthcare, don't live as long.

Wow, what a grand scheme, f*cking embarrassing.

Don't like it then get the fuck out.

If you don't want to obey the law and get health insurance it is your own fault

Don't like National Health Insurance, go live in Somalia.

The civilized World supports National Healthcare, go be a Barbarian on your own terms.

Then move your whining ass to a civilized country

And the fucking government can't do anything right so you're an idiot if you want politicians running your health care

We should've split up the country under Lincoln.

The South is a nuissance, I hate them.

They take more in welfare, but complain about it.

They complain about the government, but get their electricity more often than others from the government actions like the Tennesse River Valley authority, then there's NASA, and a ton of military bases (Stimulus funding) from the government Down South.

Then there's all the manufacturing the South stole from the North.

There's all the Northern Americans dead in Southerners wars.

The ONLY F*cking gift the South gave the USA was dumping off it's Negro deviants, and problems off on the North in the Great Migration.

Let me tell you, THAT GIFT Sucks.

 

[Skull Pilot]

SO what?

If you have good insurance you'll never pay that much

So get yourself a good health insurance policy

The average premiums for 1 person is $5,000, and about another $5,000 is spent by the government on healthcare.

That makes us about 1/3rd higher than the next most expensive country in the World for healthcare.

So, our motto must be pay more for healthcare, don't live as long.

Wow, what a grand scheme, f*cking embarrassing.

Don't like it then get the fuck out.

If you don't want to obey the law and get health insurance it is your own fault

Don't like National Health Insurance, go live in Somalia.

The civilized World supports National Healthcare, go be a Barbarian on your own terms.

Then move your whining ass to a civilized country

And the fucking government can't do anything right so you're an idiot if you want politicians running your health care

We should've split up the country under Lincoln.

The South is a nuissance, I hate them.

They take more in welfare, but complain about it.

They complain about the government, but get their electricity more often than others from the government actions like the Tennesse River Valley authority, then there's NASA, and a ton of military bases (Stimulus funding) from the government Down South.

Then there's all the manufacturing the South stole from the North.

There's all the Northern Americans dead in Southerners wars.

The ONLY F*cking gift the South gave the USA was dumping off it's Negro deviants, and problems off on the North in the Great Migration.

Let me tell you, THAT GIFT Sucks.

Do you see the irony of you, the biggest complainer here, whining that other people complain?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If I were to pay for everything AROUND HERE, it would be about $5,000 a year for healthcare, about $15,000 a year for a studio apartment, $1,500 a year on food.

That's close to $22,000 just on insurance you're SUPPOSED to have + Rent.

Now forget about food, ultilities, phone bills, cable bills.

You might very well spend $35,000 a year on everything, when all is said, & done.

Yet, Republicans ALSO WANT you to save up for RETIREMENT.

I think Republicans are either INSANE, or RETARDED.

Once again I will tell you I am not a republican.

If you can't afford rent then get a fucking roommate.
If you can't pay your bills get a second job

Stop whining

So, we should live like Illegal Immigrants, 3 beds to a room.

The Republican motto, it's Patriotic for Americans to settle for less.

F*cking ridiculous.

You live as well as you can afford to live.

Just because you are a failure and can't support yourself doesn't mean I have to support you

I'm lucky that I come from a family worth 1.8 million.

But, I do worry about THIS COUNTRY.

Between the loss of wages, it's much, much harder to make it.

Somehow people are supposed to have Families, Pay for health insurance, and Save for retirement.

Pure frigging fantasy.

Most people can't do that, and will end up living like Illegal Immigrants with 3 guys sharing 3 different beds per room.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What a Fascist thing to say................

Ok.......Riddle me this............how do you propose to end it..........for starters...........tell me about small business owners........what will you do here..............should be interesting.

I am a Fascist, and I certainly don't value the freedom of anybody to f*ck up society.

Capitalism is a big problem in the USA & most dont see it.

Then you are why we have a 2nd Amendment...............

And again....you can't see the forest for the trees..........which is most of America now.........

Again........I ask you what will you do to end capitalism in this country......specifically with small business owners.........How will you IMPLEMENT YOUR FACISM.............hmmmm

There must be regulation against outsourcing, hiring illegals, monopolies & in the case of media & Hollywood against biases.

Fascism therefor makes the most sense.

We can't continue on this way.

We already have laws against hiring illegals and monopolies. The rest are not controlled by the federal government in a free country.

Why should "Outsourcing" be tolerated by Americans?

The only thing you can give is "Freedom"

Everything else says it should NOT be tolerated.

It's costing us jobs.

It's costing us wages.

It's costing us tax base.

It's costing us product quality.

It's costing us pride.

Quite frankly I don't value freedom, freedom for who? Freedom for pedophiles? Freedom for those who pee down alleys? Freedom for drug dealers? Freedom for abortions? Freedom for hiring illegals? Freedom for transsexuals? freedom for outsourcing?

Thanks, but no thanks, I think I'll chose results, I care how good things become, not about freedom.

Any freedom that creates a worse society, is no friend of mine.

Then you may be in the wrong country.

How valuable is freedom? Valuable enough to have wars over, to risk life on a makeshift raft or being delivered in a crate in front of a trailer in 90 degree heat. Valuable enough to leave your original country, family and friends to start a new life in liberty. Valuable enough to wait years or decades to be part of freedom.

There are people in countries that would sacrifice their first born for a fraction of the freedom you and I are privileged to have. It’s just that we take it for granted. And while freedom has its negatives, it’s something most would never sacrifice for anything.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The average premiums for 1 person is $5,000, and about another $5,000 is spent by the government on healthcare.

That makes us about 1/3rd higher than the next most expensive country in the World for healthcare.

So, our motto must be pay more for healthcare, don't live as long.

Wow, what a grand scheme, f*cking embarrassing.

Don't like it then get the fuck out.

If you don't want to obey the law and get health insurance it is your own fault

Don't like National Health Insurance, go live in Somalia.

The civilized World supports National Healthcare, go be a Barbarian on your own terms.

Then move your whining ass to a civilized country

And the fucking government can't do anything right so you're an idiot if you want politicians running your health care

We should've split up the country under Lincoln.

The South is a nuissance, I hate them.

They take more in welfare, but complain about it.

They complain about the government, but get their electricity more often than others from the government actions like the Tennesse River Valley authority, then there's NASA, and a ton of military bases (Stimulus funding) from the government Down South.

Then there's all the manufacturing the South stole from the North.

There's all the Northern Americans dead in Southerners wars.

The ONLY F*cking gift the South gave the USA was dumping off it's Negro deviants, and problems off on the North in the Great Migration.

Let me tell you, THAT GIFT Sucks.

Do you see the irony of you, the biggest complainer here, whining that other people complain?

You support a "Flop-House" style America, with a "Mega-Wealthy elite"

Just like Latin-America.

It's basically a flop-house when there's 3 beds per room, like the Illegals do, and YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO.

Studio Apartments around here are about $1,400, so if you're making typical salaries per person here, you could very well end up living like a flop house, and forget about saving for a family, or saving for retirement.

FAMILY VALUES party my Dupa, this is the CAPITALIST VALUES party, a disgrace, and insult to America, and Americans.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I am a Fascist, and I certainly don't value the freedom of anybody to f*ck up society.

Capitalism is a big problem in the USA & most dont see it.

Then you are why we have a 2nd Amendment...............

And again....you can't see the forest for the trees..........which is most of America now.........

Again........I ask you what will you do to end capitalism in this country......specifically with small business owners.........How will you IMPLEMENT YOUR FACISM.............hmmmm

There must be regulation against outsourcing, hiring illegals, monopolies & in the case of media & Hollywood against biases.

Fascism therefor makes the most sense.

We can't continue on this way.

We already have laws against hiring illegals and monopolies. The rest are not controlled by the federal government in a free country.

Why should "Outsourcing" be tolerated by Americans?

The only thing you can give is "Freedom"

Everything else says it should NOT be tolerated.

It's costing us jobs.

It's costing us wages.

It's costing us tax base.

It's costing us product quality.

It's costing us pride.

Quite frankly I don't value freedom, freedom for who? Freedom for pedophiles? Freedom for those who pee down alleys? Freedom for drug dealers? Freedom for abortions? Freedom for hiring illegals? Freedom for transsexuals? freedom for outsourcing?

Thanks, but no thanks, I think I'll chose results, I care how good things become, not about freedom.

Any freedom that creates a worse society, is no friend of mine.

Then you may be in the wrong country.

How valuable is freedom? Valuable enough to have wars over, to risk life on a makeshift raft or being delivered in a crate in front of a trailer in 90 degree heat. Valuable enough to leave your original country, family and friends to start a new life in liberty. Valuable enough to wait years or decades to be part of freedom.

There are people in countries that would sacrifice their first born for a fraction of the freedom you and I are privileged to have. It’s just that we take it for granted. And while freedom has its negatives, it’s something most would never sacrifice for anything.

America was never a free Country for ALL.

In the first US election only 6% of the country were able to vote.

That's because ONLY White property owning men could vote.

There were also a ton of state regulations upon Corporations, from the Founding Fathers right up into nearly the 20th Century.

Here, check out the regulations Wisconsin had, similar to many states in 1873.

RACHEL #488: FIXING CORPORATIONS--PART 1: LEGACY OF THE FOUNDING PARENTS

** corporations were required to have a clear purpose, to be fulfilled but not exceeded. [10]

** corporations' licenses to do business were revocable by the state legislature if they exceeded or did not fulfill their chartered purpose(s). [11]

** the state legislature could revoke a corporation's charter for a particular reason, or for no reason at all. [12]

** the act of incorporation did not relieve corporate management or stockholders/owners of responsibility or liability for corporate acts. [13]

** as a matter of course, corporation officers, directors, or agents could be held criminally liable for violating the law. [14]

** state (not federal) courts heard cases where corporations or their agents were accused of breaking the law or harming the public. [15]

** directors of the corporation were required to come from among stockholders. [16]

** corporations had to have their headquarters and meetings in the state where their principal place of business was located. [17]

** corporation charters were granted for a specific period of time, like 20 or 30 years (instead of being granted "in perpetuity," as is now the practice.) [18]

** corporations were prohibited from owning stock in other corporations in order to prevent them from extending their power inappropriately. [19]

** corporations' real estate holdings were limited to what was necessary to carry out their specific purpose(s). [20]

** corporations were prohibited from making any political contributions, direct or indirect. [21]

** corporations were prohibited from making charitable or civic donations outside of their specific purposes. [22]

** state legislatures set the rates that corporations could charge for their products or services. [23]

** all corporation records and documents were open to the legislature or the state attorney general. [24]

ALL OF THESE PROVISIONS WERE ONCE LAW IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN And similar ones in most other states

 

[gipper]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

All your points have validity , but all won't be solved by any given politician OR election

Nothing in our lives will change this November , because this is a course we've been on for a generation.

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer in America , that's FACT

I've seen this video before.

The only problem with it?

It has so few folks at the very top.

The funny thing is, we KNOW who they are. Why doesn't the video just NAME THEM? Why doesn't it just name which companies and government agencies they control?

Why doesn't it point out the fascist nature, and the corruption?

These folks are controlling the game, why not call this shit out for what it is, and name the criminals?

I can't, folks on the left and the right CONTINUE, EVERY SINGLE DAY, to quote from WaPo, and this Christmas, everyone of you idiots will still be using and watching Amazon.

WHY??!!!



Jeff Bezos Is Doing Huge Business with the CIA, While Keeping His Washington Post Readers in the Dark
Jeff Bezos Is Doing Huge Business with the CIA, While Keeping His Washington Post Readers in the Dark

The CIA, Washington Post, And Russia: What You're Not Being Told
The CIA, Washington Post, And Russia: What You're Not Being Told

Washington Post-CIA connections: back to basics
Washington Post-CIA connections: back to basics

That is one of the best posts ever posted on this forum. Too bad so many Americans don't understand. I am always amazed at posters here who support the status quo, clearly against their own best interests. They can't see the forest for the trees.

Regarding Bezos, the guy has to be a fucking psychopath. What person accumulates $150 billion, but pays his employees peanuts, works them to death, and denies them healthcare? Yet this crazed sicko has ENORMOUS political power within our corrupt government...because our corrupt government is for sale and he is the highest bidder.

Now the cocksucker owns Wapo! WTF! Only in America.

We have a government of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. Clearly this is indisputable, but many average Americans dispute it.

Yep. You want to know who is responsible for that whole Russia gate paradigm, look no further than a confab between he, Hillary, and a few folks in the CIA.

WaPo is basically a public Relations Rag for the Agency.

And folks are befuddled why this Khashoggi incident is such a big deal. Duh, one of their agent propagandists was offed.

This Bezos guy is just like the FED, he wants societal costs socialized so he doesn't have to worry about it.

No different than the party leaders of the Kremlin or the unelected bureaucrats at the U.N.

Yes. The WAPO like most of the MSM is controlled by the Ruling Class, who also controls the CIA. This is yet another fact I fear most Americans would dispute. How convenient for the Ruling Class, that many average Americans are so easily controlled.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh, I’m sure that if they offered hundreds of thousands of dollars for a surgery, they would refuse. Who do you think you’re kidding?

They come here for our high quality care, and yes, that includes Canadians. So don’t flatter yourself thinking they would rather be taken care of in Canada if they could.

I talk with plenty of Canadian truck drivers. The older ones all told me the same thing about our care: Keep what you got or you’ll be sorry.

Funny, I talk with Canadians who have greater job skills than "Driving in a straight line" and they all tell me how wonderful their system is and how they would hate to get sick or injured in the US.

The fact that foreigners come here for health care most Americans can't get access to is nothing to be proud of.

I said older drivers. Younger and Middle aged people have no problem with the system. But on the other hand, they usually don’t have serious ongoing medical conditions.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

Then you are why we have a 2nd Amendment...............

And again....you can't see the forest for the trees..........which is most of America now.........

Again........I ask you what will you do to end capitalism in this country......specifically with small business owners.........How will you IMPLEMENT YOUR FACISM.............hmmmm

There must be regulation against outsourcing, hiring illegals, monopolies & in the case of media & Hollywood against biases.

Fascism therefor makes the most sense.

We can't continue on this way.

We already have laws against hiring illegals and monopolies. The rest are not controlled by the federal government in a free country.

Croney Capitalism creates monopolies............who the gov't deems fit.......and who pays the politicians decides.

Well I'm unaware of one monopoly in the US. Perhaps Satellite Radio, but nobody needs satellite radio in the first place. And it's not really a monopoly because all other radio is free and available to everybody.

The big three healthcare insurance companies have a full control over supply.

They are competitors of each other. That’s not a monopoly.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

You wrote: "You cannot expect a person to invest 8 years of their life and borrowed money to become a doctor and make as much as much as a truck driver."

I wrote: "You stated that truck drivers make as much as Physicians. As a truck driver, please dedact personal information and post your paycheck stub to prove that."

Your turn, put-up or shut-up.

Now WTF in my statement does it say a driver makes as much as a doctor? Who taught you how to read?

Let me stoop down to your level so perhaps you'll understand: A doctor has to get paid much more than a truck driver for he or she to go through 8 years of college. Now do you understand?

Being a tad narcissistic today are we? I was quoting and answering answering Mikey, not you....

So you admit, it is a reading problem, huh? Hint: the person you are quoting is on top of all the other replies.

You forgot which poster you were logged-on as? Yeah, we know. Now the staff knows too.

All you have to do is go back and look. I don’t care what kind of computer you have. They all show the same thing. However if you still can’t figure it out, I’ll be glad to take a desktop snapshot of my screen to prove you wrong.


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[Dragonlady]

What a Fascist thing to say................

Ok.......Riddle me this............how do you propose to end it..........for starters...........tell me about small business owners........what will you do here..............should be interesting.

I am a Fascist, and I certainly don't value the freedom of anybody to f*ck up society.

Capitalism is a big problem in the USA & most dont see it.

Then you are why we have a 2nd Amendment...............

And again....you can't see the forest for the trees..........which is most of America now.........

Again........I ask you what will you do to end capitalism in this country......specifically with small business owners.........How will you IMPLEMENT YOUR FACISM.............hmmmm

There must be regulation against outsourcing, hiring illegals, monopolies & in the case of media & Hollywood against biases.

Fascism therefor makes the most sense.

We can't continue on this way.

We already have laws against hiring illegals and monopolies. The rest are not controlled by the federal government in a free country.

Why should "Outsourcing" be tolerated by Americans?

The only thing you can give is "Freedom"

Everything else says it should NOT be tolerated.

It's costing us jobs.

It's costing us wages.

It's costing us tax base.

It's costing us product quality.

It's costing us pride.

Quite frankly I don't value freedom, freedom for who? Freedom for pedophiles? Freedom for those who pee down alleys? Freedom for drug dealers? Freedom for abortions? Freedom for hiring illegals? Freedom for transsexuals? freedom for outsourcing?

Thanks, but no thanks, I think I'll chose results, I care how good things become, not about freedom.

Any freedom that creates a worse society, is no friend of mine.

And who decides if it makes society worse? You???

The things you complain about aren't "freedoms", nor are they entirely the fault of capitalism. They are the result of "unfettered capitalism". Capitalism is a wonderful concept, but it is devoid of any morality. The goal of the capitalist is to make as much money as possible. Period. End of Story.

This is why capitalism is regulated - to prevent the unbridled pursuit of profit from having a negative impact on society. There's a social safety net to protect the poorest and most vulnerable from the hardships of period of contraction or recession in the markets. And labour laws to keep business owners from exploiting more vulnerable workers. The problems in the USA relate to the imbalances created by years of right wing government and supply side economics.

The economy of the country is based on supply AND DEMAND. The right only pays attention to the supply side, usingi exports to increase demand while ignoring the domestic markets, and increasingly shutting workers out of the success and increased income pool. The result is that workers have little, if any disposable income and there is a LOT of pent up demand for goods and services amount the working and middle class. Until those in charge of the economy address the demand side of the equation with higher wages and better benefits for workers, the freedom you claim you have is just an illusion.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If I were to pay for everything AROUND HERE, it would be about $5,000 a year for healthcare, about $15,000 a year for a studio apartment, $1,500 a year on food.

That's close to $22,000 just on insurance you're SUPPOSED to have + Rent.

Now forget about food, ultilities, phone bills, cable bills.

You might very well spend $35,000 a year on everything, when all is said, & done.

Yet, Republicans ALSO WANT you to save up for RETIREMENT.

I think Republicans are either INSANE, or RETARDED.

Once again I will tell you I am not a republican.

If you can't afford rent then get a fucking roommate.
If you can't pay your bills get a second job

Stop whining

So, we should live like Illegal Immigrants, 3 beds to a room.

The Republican motto, it's Patriotic for Americans to settle for less.

F*cking ridiculous.

You live as well as you can afford to live.

Just because you are a failure and can't support yourself doesn't mean I have to support you

I'm lucky that I come from a family worth 1.8 million.

But, I do worry about THIS COUNTRY.

Between the loss of wages, it's much, much harder to make it.

Somehow people are supposed to have Families, Pay for health insurance, and Save for retirement.

Pure frigging fantasy.

Most people can't do that, and will end up living like Illegal Immigrants with 3 guys sharing 3 different beds per room.

Fantasy to you maybe but people do it every day.

Stop whining

 

[Skull Pilot]

Then you are why we have a 2nd Amendment...............

And again....you can't see the forest for the trees..........which is most of America now.........

Again........I ask you what will you do to end capitalism in this country......specifically with small business owners.........How will you IMPLEMENT YOUR FACISM.............hmmmm

There must be regulation against outsourcing, hiring illegals, monopolies & in the case of media & Hollywood against biases.

Fascism therefor makes the most sense.

We can't continue on this way.

We already have laws against hiring illegals and monopolies. The rest are not controlled by the federal government in a free country.

Why should "Outsourcing" be tolerated by Americans?

The only thing you can give is "Freedom"

Everything else says it should NOT be tolerated.

It's costing us jobs.

It's costing us wages.

It's costing us tax base.

It's costing us product quality.

It's costing us pride.

Quite frankly I don't value freedom, freedom for who? Freedom for pedophiles? Freedom for those who pee down alleys? Freedom for drug dealers? Freedom for abortions? Freedom for hiring illegals? Freedom for transsexuals? freedom for outsourcing?

Thanks, but no thanks, I think I'll chose results, I care how good things become, not about freedom.

Any freedom that creates a worse society, is no friend of mine.

Then you may be in the wrong country.

How valuable is freedom? Valuable enough to have wars over, to risk life on a makeshift raft or being delivered in a crate in front of a trailer in 90 degree heat. Valuable enough to leave your original country, family and friends to start a new life in liberty. Valuable enough to wait years or decades to be part of freedom.

There are people in countries that would sacrifice their first born for a fraction of the freedom you and I are privileged to have. It’s just that we take it for granted. And while freedom has its negatives, it’s something most would never sacrifice for anything.

America was never a free Country for ALL.

In the first US election only 6% of the country were able to vote.

That's because ONLY White property owning men could vote.

There were also a ton of state regulations upon Corporations, from the Founding Fathers right up into nearly the 20th Century.

Here, check out the regulations Wisconsin had, similar to many states in 1873.

RACHEL #488: FIXING CORPORATIONS--PART 1: LEGACY OF THE FOUNDING PARENTS

** corporations were required to have a clear purpose, to be fulfilled but not exceeded. [10]

** corporations' licenses to do business were revocable by the state legislature if they exceeded or did not fulfill their chartered purpose(s). [11]

** the state legislature could revoke a corporation's charter for a particular reason, or for no reason at all. [12]

** the act of incorporation did not relieve corporate management or stockholders/owners of responsibility or liability for corporate acts. [13]

** as a matter of course, corporation officers, directors, or agents could be held criminally liable for violating the law. [14]

** state (not federal) courts heard cases where corporations or their agents were accused of breaking the law or harming the public. [15]

** directors of the corporation were required to come from among stockholders. [16]

** corporations had to have their headquarters and meetings in the state where their principal place of business was located. [17]

** corporation charters were granted for a specific period of time, like 20 or 30 years (instead of being granted "in perpetuity," as is now the practice.) [18]

** corporations were prohibited from owning stock in other corporations in order to prevent them from extending their power inappropriately. [19]

** corporations' real estate holdings were limited to what was necessary to carry out their specific purpose(s). [20]

** corporations were prohibited from making any political contributions, direct or indirect. [21]

** corporations were prohibited from making charitable or civic donations outside of their specific purposes. [22]

** state legislatures set the rates that corporations could charge for their products or services. [23]

** all corporation records and documents were open to the legislature or the state attorney general. [24]

ALL OF THESE PROVISIONS WERE ONCE LAW IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN And similar ones in most other states

So getting rid of all that shit has made us more free.

You have no right to tell anyone how to live

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If I were to pay for everything AROUND HERE, it would be about $5,000 a year for healthcare, about $15,000 a year for a studio apartment, $1,500 a year on food.

That's close to $22,000 just on insurance you're SUPPOSED to have + Rent.

Now forget about food, ultilities, phone bills, cable bills.

You might very well spend $35,000 a year on everything, when all is said, & done.

Yet, Republicans ALSO WANT you to save up for RETIREMENT.

I think Republicans are either INSANE, or RETARDED.

Once again I will tell you I am not a republican.

If you can't afford rent then get a fucking roommate.
If you can't pay your bills get a second job

Stop whining

So, we should live like Illegal Immigrants, 3 beds to a room.

The Republican motto, it's Patriotic for Americans to settle for less.

F*cking ridiculous.

You live as well as you can afford to live.

Just because you are a failure and can't support yourself doesn't mean I have to support you

I'm lucky that I come from a family worth 1.8 million.

But, I do worry about THIS COUNTRY.

Between the loss of wages, it's much, much harder to make it.

Somehow people are supposed to have Families, Pay for health insurance, and Save for retirement.

Pure frigging fantasy.

Most people can't do that, and will end up living like Illegal Immigrants with 3 guys sharing 3 different beds per room.

Fantasy to you maybe but people do it every day.

Stop whining

Uh, about 50% of Americans make more than $30,000, and about 50% make less than $30,000.

Average Income in America: What salary in the United States puts you in the top 50%, top 10%, and top 1%?

As I pointed out earlier, around here about $22,000 a year is spent on insurance + rent, that doesn't include food budgets, or ultilties like you know electricity, or phone.

The only reason people are able to make it better than a "Flop House" is because of programs put into place by Democrats.

If it were not for these programs, probably 50% of Americans would be living like illegals, which is like 3 people & 3 beds per room, which is basically a "Flop-House"

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

There must be regulation against outsourcing, hiring illegals, monopolies & in the case of media & Hollywood against biases.

Fascism therefor makes the most sense.

We can't continue on this way.

We already have laws against hiring illegals and monopolies. The rest are not controlled by the federal government in a free country.

Why should "Outsourcing" be tolerated by Americans?

The only thing you can give is "Freedom"

Everything else says it should NOT be tolerated.

It's costing us jobs.

It's costing us wages.

It's costing us tax base.

It's costing us product quality.

It's costing us pride.

Quite frankly I don't value freedom, freedom for who? Freedom for pedophiles? Freedom for those who pee down alleys? Freedom for drug dealers? Freedom for abortions? Freedom for hiring illegals? Freedom for transsexuals? freedom for outsourcing?

Thanks, but no thanks, I think I'll chose results, I care how good things become, not about freedom.

Any freedom that creates a worse society, is no friend of mine.

Then you may be in the wrong country.

How valuable is freedom? Valuable enough to have wars over, to risk life on a makeshift raft or being delivered in a crate in front of a trailer in 90 degree heat. Valuable enough to leave your original country, family and friends to start a new life in liberty. Valuable enough to wait years or decades to be part of freedom.

There are people in countries that would sacrifice their first born for a fraction of the freedom you and I are privileged to have. It’s just that we take it for granted. And while freedom has its negatives, it’s something most would never sacrifice for anything.

America was never a free Country for ALL.

In the first US election only 6% of the country were able to vote.

That's because ONLY White property owning men could vote.

There were also a ton of state regulations upon Corporations, from the Founding Fathers right up into nearly the 20th Century.

Here, check out the regulations Wisconsin had, similar to many states in 1873.

RACHEL #488: FIXING CORPORATIONS--PART 1: LEGACY OF THE FOUNDING PARENTS

** corporations were required to have a clear purpose, to be fulfilled but not exceeded. [10]

** corporations' licenses to do business were revocable by the state legislature if they exceeded or did not fulfill their chartered purpose(s). [11]

** the state legislature could revoke a corporation's charter for a particular reason, or for no reason at all. [12]

** the act of incorporation did not relieve corporate management or stockholders/owners of responsibility or liability for corporate acts. [13]

** as a matter of course, corporation officers, directors, or agents could be held criminally liable for violating the law. [14]

** state (not federal) courts heard cases where corporations or their agents were accused of breaking the law or harming the public. [15]

** directors of the corporation were required to come from among stockholders. [16]

** corporations had to have their headquarters and meetings in the state where their principal place of business was located. [17]

** corporation charters were granted for a specific period of time, like 20 or 30 years (instead of being granted "in perpetuity," as is now the practice.) [18]

** corporations were prohibited from owning stock in other corporations in order to prevent them from extending their power inappropriately. [19]

** corporations' real estate holdings were limited to what was necessary to carry out their specific purpose(s). [20]

** corporations were prohibited from making any political contributions, direct or indirect. [21]

** corporations were prohibited from making charitable or civic donations outside of their specific purposes. [22]

** state legislatures set the rates that corporations could charge for their products or services. [23]

** all corporation records and documents were open to the legislature or the state attorney general. [24]

ALL OF THESE PROVISIONS WERE ONCE LAW IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN And similar ones in most other states

So getting rid of all that shit has made us more free.

You have no right to tell anyone how to live

More free?
Yeah we got rid of regulations in the 1920's ended up with "The Great Depression" re-started regulations with FDR & Truman.'

Then starting mostly post WW2 to get rid of Regulations under Eisenhower.

Within 15 - 20 years after Eisenhower we see the "PEAK Real wages" and ever since we've seen wages which don't go as far as inflation.

So, I fail to see how we're doing any better.

Sure, there's more "Freedom for Corporations" but if they're not doing the right thing, and messing with America, why does that become a "Good Thing", exactly?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I am a Fascist, and I certainly don't value the freedom of anybody to f*ck up society.

Capitalism is a big problem in the USA & most dont see it.

Then you are why we have a 2nd Amendment...............

And again....you can't see the forest for the trees..........which is most of America now.........

Again........I ask you what will you do to end capitalism in this country......specifically with small business owners.........How will you IMPLEMENT YOUR FACISM.............hmmmm

There must be regulation against outsourcing, hiring illegals, monopolies & in the case of media & Hollywood against biases.

Fascism therefor makes the most sense.

We can't continue on this way.

We already have laws against hiring illegals and monopolies. The rest are not controlled by the federal government in a free country.

Why should "Outsourcing" be tolerated by Americans?

The only thing you can give is "Freedom"

Everything else says it should NOT be tolerated.

It's costing us jobs.

It's costing us wages.

It's costing us tax base.

It's costing us product quality.

It's costing us pride.

Quite frankly I don't value freedom, freedom for who? Freedom for pedophiles? Freedom for those who pee down alleys? Freedom for drug dealers? Freedom for abortions? Freedom for hiring illegals? Freedom for transsexuals? freedom for outsourcing?

Thanks, but no thanks, I think I'll chose results, I care how good things become, not about freedom.

Any freedom that creates a worse society, is no friend of mine.

And who decides if it makes society worse? You???

The things you complain about aren't "freedoms", nor are they entirely the fault of capitalism. They are the result of "unfettered capitalism". Capitalism is a wonderful concept, but it is devoid of any morality. The goal of the capitalist is to make as much money as possible. Period. End of Story.

This is why capitalism is regulated - to prevent the unbridled pursuit of profit from having a negative impact on society. There's a social safety net to protect the poorest and most vulnerable from the hardships of period of contraction or recession in the markets. And labour laws to keep business owners from exploiting more vulnerable workers. The problems in the USA relate to the imbalances created by years of right wing government and supply side economics.

The economy of the country is based on supply AND DEMAND. The right only pays attention to the supply side, usingi exports to increase demand while ignoring the domestic markets, and increasingly shutting workers out of the success and increased income pool. The result is that workers have little, if any disposable income and there is a LOT of pent up demand for goods and services amount the working and middle class. Until those in charge of the economy address the demand side of the equation with higher wages and better benefits for workers, the freedom you claim you have is just an illusion.

Anything BUT Communism would be better than this for the "Economy"

Anything INCLUDING Communism would be better to save the ethnic heritage of this "Country"

It might be most Democratic, and fair to expand Fascist style councils to include Democratically voted in representitives to control the most big, and important corporations for "National Interest"

But, it's NOT required.

The bottomline is people like Franco, and Hitler despite their faults, achieved better economies than any U.S.A Presidents could in the 20th century.

See below.

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

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