If this is true, we are in trouble...

[OnePercenter]

Malpractice lawsuits account for 2.4% of healthcare spending. Even if we reduced healthcare costs by 2.4% we'd continue to have the most expensive healthcare in the world.

Yes, but we'd still have the best healthcare in the world. 2.4% is still a good chunk of change.

But that's only a small fraction of the problem. There are nearly a dozen ways to lower the cost of our care.

The US doesn't rank in the top 16 for healthcare. We used to be number one before Reagan deregulated the HMO act. Republicans and Corporate America will fuck you every time.

That's because the WHO mostly rates by how many people can get care--not actually the quality.

People come from all over the world to the US for serious medical procedures. I know this as a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. But it's not only the patients, the doctors as well. Because we pay the best in the world, we attract the best talent in the world.

My sister is an employee at the Clinic. She told me many stories about wealthy foreigners who would go as far as to buy an entire hospital floor for security reasons. In fact the elevator would bypass the floor unless you had the code to stop it there.

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

So what I'm hearing you say is that you read an article ABOUT the report, and then just ran with the headline, without actually reading or internalizing what the report itself said or how it arrived at its conclusions.

Commonwealth Fund is infamous for cherrypicking and shading its "facts" for its healthcare studies.

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That's because the WHO mostly rates by how many people can get care--not actually the quality.

People come from all over the world to the US for serious medical procedures. I know this as a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. But it's not only the patients, the doctors as well. Because we pay the best in the world, we attract the best talent in the world.

My sister is an employee at the Clinic. She told me many stories about wealthy foreigners who would go as far as to buy an entire hospital floor for security reasons. In fact the elevator would bypass the floor unless you had the code to stop it there.

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

/----/ Well if you dig down deep enough you find the American hating UN did the study:
Data for life expectancy and number of healthy years used in this article are from the UN World Development Indicators (WDI) and use the most recent year given for each nation.Data for life satisfaction come from the 2015 World Happiness Report.

Post your own numbers. Good luck with that.

/----/ Sorry - we don't have a fake, biased, slanted poll on your topic. All we can say is people come to America for the best healthcare in the world.

You can't refute fact.

/——/ How do you refute a slanted study? It’s ridiculous

 

[OnePercenter]

Because of your earlier faux pas, we now know you are also Miketx.

So how did I get from Cleveland to Texas? I believe Mike is also a truck driver, but that doesn't mean we're the same person. By all means, give me a quote that made you think we are the same person.

Here ya go!

So in other words, you failed again. No surprise.

I called put-up or shut-up. YOU got caught.

No, that’s what I called when I told you to quote what I said that would make anybody think Mike and I are the same people. You couldn’t because you lied about it. You lose.


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Well played. You've deleted all of your MikeTX posts from the thread.

 

[OnePercenter]

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

/----/ Well if you dig down deep enough you find the American hating UN did the study:
Data for life expectancy and number of healthy years used in this article are from the UN World Development Indicators (WDI) and use the most recent year given for each nation.Data for life satisfaction come from the 2015 World Happiness Report.

Post your own numbers. Good luck with that.

/----/ Sorry - we don't have a fake, biased, slanted poll on your topic. All we can say is people come to America for the best healthcare in the world.

You can't refute fact.

/——/ How do you refute a slanted study? It’s ridiculous

How can you not refute a slanted study? Again, if you have any information that you can find contradictory to what I posted, please post.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So how did I get from Cleveland to Texas? I believe Mike is also a truck driver, but that doesn't mean we're the same person. By all means, give me a quote that made you think we are the same person.

Here ya go!

So in other words, you failed again. No surprise.

I called put-up or shut-up. YOU got caught.

No, that’s what I called when I told you to quote what I said that would make anybody think Mike and I are the same people. You couldn’t because you lied about it. You lose.


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Well played. You've deleted all of your MikeTX posts from the thread.

Bull. This service only allows you to edit and delete for a few hours after you post. After that the option is no longer there.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, but we'd still have the best healthcare in the world. 2.4% is still a good chunk of change.

But that's only a small fraction of the problem. There are nearly a dozen ways to lower the cost of our care.

The US doesn't rank in the top 16 for healthcare. We used to be number one before Reagan deregulated the HMO act. Republicans and Corporate America will fuck you every time.

That's because the WHO mostly rates by how many people can get care--not actually the quality.

People come from all over the world to the US for serious medical procedures. I know this as a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. But it's not only the patients, the doctors as well. Because we pay the best in the world, we attract the best talent in the world.

My sister is an employee at the Clinic. She told me many stories about wealthy foreigners who would go as far as to buy an entire hospital floor for security reasons. In fact the elevator would bypass the floor unless you had the code to stop it there.

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

So what I'm hearing you say is that you read an article ABOUT the report, and then just ran with the headline, without actually reading or internalizing what the report itself said or how it arrived at its conclusions.

Commonwealth Fund is infamous for cherrypicking and shading its "facts" for its healthcare studies.

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

 

[OnePercenter]

The US doesn't rank in the top 16 for healthcare. We used to be number one before Reagan deregulated the HMO act. Republicans and Corporate America will fuck you every time.

That's because the WHO mostly rates by how many people can get care--not actually the quality.

People come from all over the world to the US for serious medical procedures. I know this as a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. But it's not only the patients, the doctors as well. Because we pay the best in the world, we attract the best talent in the world.

My sister is an employee at the Clinic. She told me many stories about wealthy foreigners who would go as far as to buy an entire hospital floor for security reasons. In fact the elevator would bypass the floor unless you had the code to stop it there.

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

So what I'm hearing you say is that you read an article ABOUT the report, and then just ran with the headline, without actually reading or internalizing what the report itself said or how it arrived at its conclusions.

Commonwealth Fund is infamous for cherrypicking and shading its "facts" for its healthcare studies.

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

 

[OnePercenter]

Here ya go!

So in other words, you failed again. No surprise.

I called put-up or shut-up. YOU got caught.

No, that’s what I called when I told you to quote what I said that would make anybody think Mike and I are the same people. You couldn’t because you lied about it. You lose.


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Well played. You've deleted all of your MikeTX posts from the thread.

Bull. This service only allows you to edit and delete for a few hours after you post. After that the option is no longer there.

Then how did you do it?

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ Well if you dig down deep enough you find the American hating UN did the study:
Data for life expectancy and number of healthy years used in this article are from the UN World Development Indicators (WDI) and use the most recent year given for each nation.Data for life satisfaction come from the 2015 World Happiness Report.

Post your own numbers. Good luck with that.

/----/ Sorry - we don't have a fake, biased, slanted poll on your topic. All we can say is people come to America for the best healthcare in the world.

You can't refute fact.

/——/ How do you refute a slanted study? It’s ridiculous

How can you not refute a slanted study? Again, if you have any information that you can find contradictory to what I posted, please post.

/——-/ I couldn’t be bothered. You’ll reject anything I post and quite frankly not wasting my time chasing some rabbit down a hole.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That's because the WHO mostly rates by how many people can get care--not actually the quality.

People come from all over the world to the US for serious medical procedures. I know this as a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. But it's not only the patients, the doctors as well. Because we pay the best in the world, we attract the best talent in the world.

My sister is an employee at the Clinic. She told me many stories about wealthy foreigners who would go as far as to buy an entire hospital floor for security reasons. In fact the elevator would bypass the floor unless you had the code to stop it there.

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

/----/ Well if you dig down deep enough you find the American hating UN did the study:
Data for life expectancy and number of healthy years used in this article are from the UN World Development Indicators (WDI) and use the most recent year given for each nation.Data for life satisfaction come from the 2015 World Happiness Report.

Post your own numbers. Good luck with that.

/----/ Sorry - we don't have a fake, biased, slanted poll on your topic. All we can say is people come to America for the best healthcare in the world.

You can't refute fact.

/——/ Then start posting facts.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So in other words, you failed again. No surprise.

I called put-up or shut-up. YOU got caught.

No, that’s what I called when I told you to quote what I said that would make anybody think Mike and I are the same people. You couldn’t because you lied about it. You lose.


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Well played. You've deleted all of your MikeTX posts from the thread.

Bull. This service only allows you to edit and delete for a few hours after you post. After that the option is no longer there.

Then how did you do it?

I didn't do anything. I'd look for it myself but I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Why don't you ask USMB what happened to it? I don't use a sock because I have no need for one.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's because the WHO mostly rates by how many people can get care--not actually the quality.

People come from all over the world to the US for serious medical procedures. I know this as a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. But it's not only the patients, the doctors as well. Because we pay the best in the world, we attract the best talent in the world.

My sister is an employee at the Clinic. She told me many stories about wealthy foreigners who would go as far as to buy an entire hospital floor for security reasons. In fact the elevator would bypass the floor unless you had the code to stop it there.

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

So what I'm hearing you say is that you read an article ABOUT the report, and then just ran with the headline, without actually reading or internalizing what the report itself said or how it arrived at its conclusions.

Commonwealth Fund is infamous for cherrypicking and shading its "facts" for its healthcare studies.

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

 

[Foxfyre]

The US doesn't rank in the top 16 for healthcare. We used to be number one before Reagan deregulated the HMO act. Republicans and Corporate America will fuck you every time.

That's because the WHO mostly rates by how many people can get care--not actually the quality.

People come from all over the world to the US for serious medical procedures. I know this as a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. But it's not only the patients, the doctors as well. Because we pay the best in the world, we attract the best talent in the world.

My sister is an employee at the Clinic. She told me many stories about wealthy foreigners who would go as far as to buy an entire hospital floor for security reasons. In fact the elevator would bypass the floor unless you had the code to stop it there.

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

OMG, you really picked a far-left one, didn't you? From your article:

Simply put, one's health overview—meaning access to care, affordability, and quality of outcomes—has a dramatic affect on one's level of happiness.

Other determinants of unhappiness—including poor working conditions, unemployment, poverty—are themselves strongly associated with poor health outcomes, especially in the absence of universal access to (quality) care.

More generally, financial insecurity (especially fearof unemployment or underemployment) contribute to chronic stress and anxiety, among other psychological problems, that in turn are detrimental to physical well-being. All of these conditions are clearly determined in part by our economic and social policies, which we can—if we wish—change so as to maximize our health and happiness.

In short, what this guy is saying is that Socialism is the answer to happiness and health. The Commonwealth Fund is an organization that promotes Socialized medical care. It's as bogus as it gets.

The United States once DID have the best health care in the world when it was strictly privately or local government controlled. But almost the very day that the federal government began getting involved, fraud was evident and prices began spiraling upwards to the point that the average family HAS to have insurance to afford even a routine visit to the doctor. And even though medical science has advanced dramatically--many conditions that were once essentially a death sentence no longer are--American health care has deteriorated to a less than optimum policies and procedures dictated by the insurance companies and the government rather than hands on diagnosis and treatment tailored to a specific patient. Your doctor probably uses the computer more than medical insight and skill to diagnose, treat, and prescribe for you.

Obamacare was supposed to fix all that, right? Alas it only made it much much worse and accelerated the downward spiral into automated medicine instead of medicine as a science and an art. Many wonderfully skilled doctors gave up trying and left medicine altogether. And we all know the promised savings to government and individuals never materialized and the costs escalated.

Government run healthcare may seem cheaper, simpler, easier. But it is not the best way to have a healthcare system.

You're 100% wrong. Th HMO Act was on of the best bipartisan regulations written, because both sides of the aisle saw where Corporate America was headed. The HMO Act worked well until it was deregulated by Reagan, and today we have the results of deregulation.

We buy our healthcare from the company store, and the company store is making record profits.

After spending a substantial amount of my working years working with, for, and around doctors and hospitals and being in positions to evaluate what was happening with both policy and medical costs, I will respectively disagree. Every point of course is not a negative but taking the entire issue as a whole, federal involvement has been far more negative than positive.

 

[OnePercenter]

Post your own numbers. Good luck with that.

/----/ Sorry - we don't have a fake, biased, slanted poll on your topic. All we can say is people come to America for the best healthcare in the world.

You can't refute fact.

/——/ How do you refute a slanted study? It’s ridiculous

How can you not refute a slanted study? Again, if you have any information that you can find contradictory to what I posted, please post.

/——-/ I couldn’t be bothered. You’ll reject anything I post and quite frankly not wasting my time chasing some rabbit down a hole.

You couldn't be "bothered" to bolster your own position? How sad.

 

[OnePercenter]

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

/----/ Well if you dig down deep enough you find the American hating UN did the study:
Data for life expectancy and number of healthy years used in this article are from the UN World Development Indicators (WDI) and use the most recent year given for each nation.Data for life satisfaction come from the 2015 World Happiness Report.

Post your own numbers. Good luck with that.

/----/ Sorry - we don't have a fake, biased, slanted poll on your topic. All we can say is people come to America for the best healthcare in the world.

You can't refute fact.

/——/ Then start posting facts.

I did.

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

 

[OnePercenter]

I called put-up or shut-up. YOU got caught.

No, that’s what I called when I told you to quote what I said that would make anybody think Mike and I are the same people. You couldn’t because you lied about it. You lose.


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Well played. You've deleted all of your MikeTX posts from the thread.

Bull. This service only allows you to edit and delete for a few hours after you post. After that the option is no longer there.

Then how did you do it?

I didn't do anything. I'd look for it myself but I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Why don't you ask USMB what happened to it? I don't use a sock because I have no need for one.

"sock"/"socks" - Yeap boys, we have a real live "hacker" in out midst. You work for the Russians or Koch?

 

[OnePercenter]

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

So what I'm hearing you say is that you read an article ABOUT the report, and then just ran with the headline, without actually reading or internalizing what the report itself said or how it arrived at its conclusions.

Commonwealth Fund is infamous for cherrypicking and shading its "facts" for its healthcare studies.

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

 

[OnePercenter]

That's because the WHO mostly rates by how many people can get care--not actually the quality.

People come from all over the world to the US for serious medical procedures. I know this as a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. But it's not only the patients, the doctors as well. Because we pay the best in the world, we attract the best talent in the world.

My sister is an employee at the Clinic. She told me many stories about wealthy foreigners who would go as far as to buy an entire hospital floor for security reasons. In fact the elevator would bypass the floor unless you had the code to stop it there.

Here ya go!

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

FYI; Those that have means always receive preferential care.

OMG, you really picked a far-left one, didn't you? From your article:

Simply put, one's health overview—meaning access to care, affordability, and quality of outcomes—has a dramatic affect on one's level of happiness.

Other determinants of unhappiness—including poor working conditions, unemployment, poverty—are themselves strongly associated with poor health outcomes, especially in the absence of universal access to (quality) care.

More generally, financial insecurity (especially fearof unemployment or underemployment) contribute to chronic stress and anxiety, among other psychological problems, that in turn are detrimental to physical well-being. All of these conditions are clearly determined in part by our economic and social policies, which we can—if we wish—change so as to maximize our health and happiness.

In short, what this guy is saying is that Socialism is the answer to happiness and health. The Commonwealth Fund is an organization that promotes Socialized medical care. It's as bogus as it gets.

The United States once DID have the best health care in the world when it was strictly privately or local government controlled. But almost the very day that the federal government began getting involved, fraud was evident and prices began spiraling upwards to the point that the average family HAS to have insurance to afford even a routine visit to the doctor. And even though medical science has advanced dramatically--many conditions that were once essentially a death sentence no longer are--American health care has deteriorated to a less than optimum policies and procedures dictated by the insurance companies and the government rather than hands on diagnosis and treatment tailored to a specific patient. Your doctor probably uses the computer more than medical insight and skill to diagnose, treat, and prescribe for you.

Obamacare was supposed to fix all that, right? Alas it only made it much much worse and accelerated the downward spiral into automated medicine instead of medicine as a science and an art. Many wonderfully skilled doctors gave up trying and left medicine altogether. And we all know the promised savings to government and individuals never materialized and the costs escalated.

Government run healthcare may seem cheaper, simpler, easier. But it is not the best way to have a healthcare system.

You're 100% wrong. Th HMO Act was on of the best bipartisan regulations written, because both sides of the aisle saw where Corporate America was headed. The HMO Act worked well until it was deregulated by Reagan, and today we have the results of deregulation.

We buy our healthcare from the company store, and the company store is making record profits.

After spending a substantial amount of my working years working with, for, and around doctors and hospitals and being in positions to evaluate what was happening with both policy and medical costs, I will respectively disagree. Every point of course is not a negative but taking the entire issue as a whole, federal involvement has been far more negative than positive.

If by federal involvement means deregulating the HMO act, I agree.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ Well if you dig down deep enough you find the American hating UN did the study:
Data for life expectancy and number of healthy years used in this article are from the UN World Development Indicators (WDI) and use the most recent year given for each nation.Data for life satisfaction come from the 2015 World Happiness Report.

Post your own numbers. Good luck with that.

/----/ Sorry - we don't have a fake, biased, slanted poll on your topic. All we can say is people come to America for the best healthcare in the world.

You can't refute fact.

/——/ Then start posting facts.

I did.

The US Ranks Last in Health Care System Performance

/——/ oh not this biased BS again....

 

[Cellblock2429]

So what I'm hearing you say is that you read an article ABOUT the report, and then just ran with the headline, without actually reading or internalizing what the report itself said or how it arrived at its conclusions.

Commonwealth Fund is infamous for cherrypicking and shading its "facts" for its healthcare studies.

Please present opposing facts. Good luck.

Researchers evaluated 18 malignancies that represented 75% of cancer diagnoses: cancers of the esophagus, stomach, colon, rectum, liver, pancreas, lung, female breast, cervix, ovary and prostate; adult melanoma; brain tumors; leukemia; and lymphoma in children and adults.

Survival trends generally increased across countries, even for lethal cancers. Researchers observed increases up to 5 percentage points for liver, pancreatic and lung cancers.

For women diagnosed with breast cancer between 2010 and 2014, 5-year survival rates reached 89.5% in Australia and 90.2% in the United States, but generally varied worldwide and remained low in some countries, such as at 66.1% in India.

US cancer survival rates remain among highest in world

"Five-year survival for the most common 18 cancers remained highest globally for the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, followed by Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, according to data through 2014 from CONCORD-3."

Now pick out the most affordable countries for healthcare.

That's not what we were talking about. We were discussing the quality of our care compared to others.

The number one reason for bankruptcy for workers in the US is medical bills. How is that not quality of care?

/——/,People used to be able to buy catastrophic insurance to protect them from major illness but Obozo said No way Jose and killed those policies